Hail, Britannia

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  1. FleetMac Patriotic Scalawag

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    One of the downsides of a confederal model I'd wager, it requires local population cooperation a lot more. Morally correct in a general sense, but in certain cases a shame.
     
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  2. TheKutKu Well-Known Member

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    Awesome and happy birthday to the timeline!

    Why is the HDI so.. low (relatively, comparable to Hungary or Chile IRL)? Aren't most of these places very developped? I looked at all the constituent country infoboxes you posted and i think that all that we know of are above this average of 0.842, including accra (0.866), i guess if Virginia is at around 0.856 then Carolina could be blow this average, but i'm not sure it would weight down the average so much,especially since places like Oregon, New England, Australia are near or above 0.9. I don't see which major constituent country can weight down the average so much.

    Also now that i look at it, how comes Newfoundland has such a high gdp per capita and is apparently first among Constituent country? Where does its wealth come from? It's written that the oil industry only contributes to 15% of its gdp, doesn't seem enough to bring it to nearly twice the level of virginia, and much more than new england.
     
  3. TPL99 Well-Known Member

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    Truly beautiful day and awesome infobox! Viva Britannia!
     
  4. TheSaint250 Well-Known Member

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    Happy Anniversary to the timeline, and congratulations, Leinad! You deserve it after all of your hard work :)
     
  5. LeinadB93 Just Leinad

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    Definitely the second or third for Genesee Iroquoia... I kind of prefer the second option, but I’ll have to think about it. Thanks for your input!

    Indeed, some parts of this world are better than OTL, some are worse.

    The confederal model was a necessity when the Empire was being formed, and generally the governments follow the rule that any issue should be dealt with at the lowest effective level of government. The imperial government doesn’t really like to intervene in dominion affairs unless absolutely necessary. Carolina and Louisiana are the most prominent interventions in the late 20th century.

    Thanks :D
     
  6. LeinadB93 Just Leinad

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    Thanks :D

    Whoops thanks for catching that! By my notes the HDI should actually be 0.901. Does that sound more realistic?

    Oil, natural resource, renewal energy and fishing :)
     
  7. Threadmarks: Common Travel Area

    LeinadB93 Just Leinad

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    So with Accra having joined the United Empire, I've redone the Commonwealth post and the Common Travel Area to reflect the new geopolitical reality:

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    The Common Travel Area (CTA) is an open borders area composed of 7 Commonwealth states – the United Empire, California, Texas, Cuba, the Nordic Federation, Patagonia, and Hawai'i – that have officially abolished passport and any other type of border control at their mutual borders. The area mostly functions as a single country for international travel purposes with a common visa policy, and allows citizens of the CTA countries to travel and reside in another CTA country (excluding Greenland, Svalbard and the British overseas territories and crown dependencies) without any travel documentation (e.g. a passport or national identity card) or a residence permit.

    The CTA was established in 1923 between the United Empire, Texas, and California, at a time when systematic passport and immigration controls were becoming standard at international frontiers. The latter two nations had both been British protectorates prior to the First World War, and British immigration law meant that Texan and Californian nationals were not treated as "foreign" citizens. All three governments were receptive to continuing with the status quo and an agreement was signed in February 1923 in the Texan-Louisiana border town of Texarkana by representatives of the three nations, establishing that each side would enforce the other's immigration decisions, gradually abolish border checks at their common borders, allow residents in border areas freedom to cross borders away from fixed checkpoints and harmonise their respective visa policies.

    In 1941 the Kingdom of Cuba became the first nation after the original three to join the CTA, after the Anglo-Texan intervention in the Spanish Caribbean (1940-1941) led to Cuban independence from the Spanish government-in-exile. The Floridian government pushed for the admission of Cuba to formalise the de facto open borders policy that had existed between Florida and Cuba since the 1900s. The next nation to join was the Nordic Federation, then known as the Nordic Council, which joined the CTA, the Commonwealth of Nations and the Commonwealth Economic Community (CEC) in 1953, the same year the Council was founded. The Kingdom of Hawai'i joined the CTA upon the country's independence from the British Empire in 1959, as Hawaiian citizens had enjoyed a favourable immigration status under imperial law within the British Empire prior to independence. The State of Accra, a former Commonwealth realm in West Africa, is the only country to have formerly been a member of the CTA, between 1957 and 2019 when the country ceased to be independent and re-joined the United Empire as a dominion. The Realm of Patagonia, a Commonwealth realm in South America, opted to join the CTA in 2019, having previously enjoyed open borders with the United Empire, after nearly twenty years of discussions with CTA member countries.

    The CTA has a reciprocal agreement with the European Union's Schengen Area, although neither organisation is formally a member of the other, whereby visa applications between the two open border areas have been simplified and streamlined, law enforcement agencies cooperate on immigration and border security, and for all intents and purposes the Schengen Area is treated as an extension of the CTA, and vice versa. When combined together the Schengen–CTA forms an open border area across 35% of the planet's inhabited surface with over 1 billion people. With a total land area of nearly 44 million square kilometres and a population of 550 million, the CTA is the largest international open borders area in the world by area and population. Recent talks with the Capeland government has raised the possibility the country joining the organisation in the future.

    Border Restrictions:

    Greenland and Svalbard are part of the Nordic Federation but remain outside of the CTA, and both have open borders with all Nordic countries, and allow Nordic citizens to enter, settle and work without requiring a passport or permit. However, this is not extended to citizens of other CTA countries, who require valid travel documentation (such as a passport or a national identity card) and permits to enter and work in both Greenland and Svalbard. Furthermore, as citizens of a Nordic country, those from Svalbard and Greenland are permitted to reside in any other Nordic or CTA country. A similar situation exists in the British overseas territories and crown dependencies, where all foreign nationals (excluding British citizens) require valid travel documents and permits to enter and work in the territories. But, as British Overseas citizens, inhabitants of the overseas territories and crown dependencies are permitted to reside in the United Empire or any other CTA country.

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  8. LeinadB93 Just Leinad

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    So as previously mentioned/alluded to, I've been toying with some changes Vietnam and the South Pacific.

    I'd like to ask people's input on these, in the form of a poll. Not sure how this would work, but effectively you can choose between endorsing All changes, some changes (please specify your reservations), no changes.

    1) Vietnam is partitioned between Tonkin, Annam and Cochinchina after the First Indochina War. The weakened state of the Communists means that during the Second Indochina War these borders calcify. Tonkin is a Communist state (analogue of Vietnam, last remaining Communist state but some market reforms), Annam a military-ruled monarchy (the Hermit Kingdom - North Korea analogue? - that persists to the present day with a semi-free election scheduled for later this year), Cochinchina a highly-developed democratic presidential republic aligned with Britain that joins the Commonwealth and Common Defence Pact (an analogue for South Korea).
    a) Possible rump-Communist state on Hainan Island - People's Republic of Hainan. Sort of an analogue to the ROC on Taiwan. Not sure of feasibility. Just a thought.​

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    2) Changes in the Pacific:
    a) Hawai'i extended slightly to include Johnston Atoll
    b) OTL Palau, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Gilbert Islands (OTL part of Kiribati), and the F.S.M. are unified as the Federation of Micronesia - British associated state comparably to OTL Cook Islands-New Zealand relationship
    c) Phoenix and Line Islands (OTL part of Kiribati), Mariana Islands (OTL Guam and NMI), Wake Island, Tuvalu, Vanuatu and the Pitcairn Islands are British overseas territories
    d) Cook Islands, Tokelau and Niue are unified as the South Sea Islands - British associated state comparably to OTL Cook Islands-New Zealand relationship
    e) Samoa, Tahiti (OTL Society Islands), Tonga are independent native monarchies in the Commonwealth, with Compacts of Free Association comparable to OTL Palau-USA relationship
    f) Marquesas Islands, the Austral and Bass Islands and Tuamotu-Gambier are French overseas collectivities​

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    Also flags:

    Federation of Micronesia
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    Phoenix and Line Islands
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    Wake Island
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    Any thoughts?
     
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  9. StormStar King-Emperor of the Britannic Empire and Kingdom

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    So a couple of questions/notes.

    Questions,

    Has the Grand Union flag been updated to show the new reality of the UKE, and can we a post showing all the iterations of the Grand Union Flag and all its forms, I.e. From the Kingdom of Britain (Technical you can count the Union Jack the first Grand Union Flag as the Flags of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland were still used) to 2019 and possibly show when the Grand Union Flag split from the National Flag.

    Has the cape to Cairo railway continue to existence due a slower and better decolonisation than in OTL, and has it expanded east to west as there is a nearly unbroken chain of commonwealth countries across the middle of Africa?

    When and why did Madgascar join the commonwealth?

    Due to their being far more monarchies in existence in our world, how many other nations is the Queen in the line of succession of ?

    Of those nations the queen is in the line of succession, how many of them are could be in personal Union with the UKE easily and are there plans in place to deal with situations happening?

    Where is Accra as i can't find on the map and all the relevant maps haven't been updated yet?

    Notes

    You should probably change the map picture in the CTA post as it's impossible to see Patagonia in this version.
     
  10. Excelsior Time's arrow marches forward

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    Seeing as most royal heritages have remained the same, probably none as per OTL. However the inverse is probably greater as many foreign royals likely have British ancestry and therefore a place in the British succession.
     
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  11. Turquoise Blue Blossoming Tibby!

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    Well, you can count the stars to see if it was updated or not. I think it is.

    And that would be a bit too much to do for Leinad, surely, especially as I think the Grand Union Flag was only made somewhat recently.
    If it is profitable, it will continue.
    Madagascar in this world was a condonimium of Britain and France. I figure it's in both the Commonwealth and the Francophonie as a result.
    As Excelsior says, probably not that much.
    It is a small part of Africa. The bit of West Africa that is coloured Britain but is not Sierra Leone? That's Accra.

    And as much as we appreciate your questions and whatnot, we are also interested in knowing what you like about Hail, Britannia. What is your favourite bit?
     
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  12. Turquoise Blue Blossoming Tibby!

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    Oh, and if anyone haven't seen it, there was some changes to the Oregon list to better reflect the Russian presence.

    Including a certain Mr. Ignatiev, who pops up in a very different place than he did in OTL.
     
  13. LeinadB93 Just Leinad

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    The Grand Union Flag has been updated to include 32 stars. The flag was a relatively recent creation, probably interwar or post-war, and definitely originated in British America as a less overtly religious and more equal national symbol. Probably adopted at the imperial level as a co-official flag during the Truman government.

    Yep the Cape to Cairo railway lines continue to exist as a major driver of economic development. Need to look at the map and route as the layout of British colonies is slightly different. I think a branch going to Lagos through the British colonies, branching from either Wau or Juna in the Equatorian Republic, makes sense.

    TB is correct.

    IOTL Britain had claims to the island as well as France but agreed to sole French control. ITTL the two powers agree to a joint condominium protectorate in 1882. The protectorate existed until 1992 due to a Communist/socialist civil war in the 1970s/80s, before full independence as the Kingdom of Madagascar. It’s a member of the Commonwealth and the Francophonie.

    A similar situation existed in Adamawa in OTL Northern Nigeria and the CAR.

    As Excelsior rightly points out, the Queen-Empress is not in the line of succession for any monarchy.

    As TB rightly says - it’s OTL southern Ghana, on the West African coast. The main Qbam is updated, but I’m in the process of updating the British map of subdivisions along with the wikiboxes for each home nation.

    Might do, have to think about best format.
     
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  14. Wolfman217 Well-Known Member

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    I wish I lived in this world......

    There needs to be more threads/timelines on here where Britain and North America stay one united country, it's actually really rare.
     
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  15. Arthur Marston Well-Known Member

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    Would they implement reforms like OTL China, or would they go full Best Korea?

    I'd like to hear the story behind this.
     
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  16. LeinadB93 Just Leinad

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    They’d probably implement reforms like OTL China and TTL Tonkin.

    British protectorate over the islands instead of France. They supported the unification under a single monarch much like in Hawai’i.
     
  17. Analytical Engine Monarchist Collectivist Federalist

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    That's quite a widespread kingdom. Are the other islands and kingdoms autonomous within the Kingdom of Tahiti?
     
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  18. LeinadB93 Just Leinad

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    Indeed, but given most of the population lives in Tahiti or the Society Islands that isn’t necessarily a problem.

    Those I suppose in theory France could retain some of the outlying islands... I’ll have a plan around with the map tonight... Maybe the kingdom only covers the Society Islands...

    I’d assume either autonomous heads of each island, or given that the Pomare dynasty provided kings and queens to all the major islands in the 19th century they could have united under a single monarch. More research needed.
     
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  19. LeinadB93 Just Leinad

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    How about this for Tahiti:

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    During TTL 1840s, the Franco-Tahitian War results in the French being evicted from Tahiti and the country passing to British suzerainty under a similar status to OTL Tonga. The Jarnac Convention agrees to British control of Tahiti, whilst the French claim the Marquesas Islands, the Austral and Bass Islands and Tuamotu-Gambier. British Tahiti transitions to a sovereign state under free association in the 1980s/90s, whilst the three French island territories become overseas collectivities.

    Thoughts?
     
  20. Analytical Engine Monarchist Collectivist Federalist

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    Status = approval positive.
     
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