Hail, Britannia

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  1. Admiral A. Kolchak Supreme Leader

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    Republic of China?
     
  2. Arthur Marston Well-Known Member

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    Pretty sure they quality as "developed."
     
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  3. Arthur Marston Well-Known Member

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    Does the United Empire use the Imperial (heh) or metric system of measurement?
     
  4. Turquoise Blue Blossoming Tibby!

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    Going off the infoboxes, it seems to be metric, with imperial a decidedly second.
     
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  5. Threadmarks: British Electoral Systems (June 2018)

    LeinadB93 Just Leinad

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    Of course :)

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  6. LeinadB93 Just Leinad

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    More developed than most yes, but there economy is still considerably less developed than Europe or North America. Probably could be classed as "in transition".

    A while ago I realised I'd dropped the ball on that one and put metric as the main units with imperial in brackets...

    I'm assuming a similar position to the OTL UK - metric has been legally adopted in many aspects, however road signs etc still use imperial, and most people would be more comfortable giving their height/weight in imperial (feet, stone) than metric.
     
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  7. 20person Well-Known Member

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    Aren't feet and stone imperial units?
     
  8. Major Crimson Filthy Socialist

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    This is super cool but I do wonder, what's the difference between AMS and MMP ITTL? It's my understanding that these systems are effectively just different names for the same thing.
     
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  9. StormStar King-Emperor of the Britannic Empire and Kingdom

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    Feet and Stone are Imperial units, I think what he meant was most people are comfortable giving their weight in Imperial units.

    Of course, this is not completely correct as it would be most Older (i.e who grew up or whose parents grew up before the conversion to the metric system) people are comfortable giving their weight in Imperial units, whereas younger people will prefer Metric but might use Imperial due to parental influence or to allow the older generation to understand what they describing easier.

    For example I was born in the 90s and mostly use metric, whereas my parents (60s) and grandparents (30s/40s) mostly use Imperial units.

    The point is the younger the generation the more likely they are to use the metric system over the Imperial system.
     
  10. celt9 Well-Known Member

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    What are abortion laws in the empire?
     
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  11. gunnerkite Well-Known Member

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    My votes

    Q1: no
    Q2: option 4, mmp

    Edit: whoops, just realised looking at other votes I misread the question. Should be no, get rid of fptp.
     
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  12. sarahz Well-Known Member

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    My Votes

    Q1 NO
    Q2 5
     
  13. Pokemon Master What's it to you?

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    Q1: no
    Q2: option 2 (IRV)
     
  14. LeinadB93 Just Leinad

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    Yes I’d did (whoops)!!

    Actually I have to disagree with you here. I grew up in the 90s and I’m more comfortable using imperial. Whenever I teach about metric-imperial conversion in Maths most kids (11-16) can give their height and weight in imperial rather than metric.

    So metric is the “official” units, adopted more for expedience/ease in international affairs, whilst imperial are used in most day-to-day situations; road signs, weight etc. But like OTL UK it’s definitely a mixture :)

    My understanding of the differences between the two systems involves the list seats: MMP divides the lists seats based on the overall percentage votes for each party, whereas AMS has a regional element with the list seats elected separately in various regions. MMP like the OTL New Zealand electoral system, while AMS is like OTL Scotland and Wales.

    Thanks :) hope you voted in the online polls!!
     
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  15. Arthur Marston Well-Known Member

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    Sounds confusing when "pound" refers to both weight and the official currency of the UK.
     
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  16. StormStar King-Emperor of the Britannic Empire and Kingdom

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    I understand your point, however the Metric is gaining more and more traction with more people adopting as time goes on.

    Distance, personal height and personal weight will likely be the last uses Imperial units, but the use Imperial system is dying out in most cases.

    Metric is currently the international standard and is linked/basis to the newer systems of measurements which are being developed, its matter when not if for the Imperial system.
     
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  17. LeinadB93 Just Leinad

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    Just like in OTL :)

    I completely agree that metric is getting more traction, and imperial is fading away. But I think it unlikely that imperial will ever completely vanish. IMHO metric will continue to be official, whereas imperial will be used unofficially for height, weight and distance.

    ITTL metric is used officially by government departments, and internationally. But at a local/personal level, distance, height and weight tend to still be in imperial units and I see this continuing.
     
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  18. FleetMac Patriotic Scalawag

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    Sure, in OTL and globally speaking. However, the United Empire ITTL also sees the OTL United States (the biggest and most stubborn retainer of Imperial/customary measurements) either part of or tightly aligned with the Empire. That, combined with almost a half-billion people population worldwide and a massive amount of financial and economic influence on their own (let alone the Commonwealth) means that such traction is also counter-tractioned a LOT; the global community might do metric alone, but if a British business wants to use Imperial measurements for stocking/retail purposes, there's not enough pushback IMO to actually prevent it at all.

    I don't disagree with metric being used in an official capacity, but I don't think it has enough pull to reduce or shrink Imperial measurements nearly as much as one might think.
     
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  19. StormStar King-Emperor of the Britannic Empire and Kingdom

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    I agree with your point and suggest you point it at LeinadB93 and ask for their input. We also must remember this is a type 2 timeline so in some places things will not match up to what would more probably be expected.

    However, please do note I was discussing OTL UK use of the Imperial and Metric systems, not the TTL UKE.
     
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    FleetMac Patriotic Scalawag

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    Fair enough, just adding my twopence on the subject.

    On a separate topic, @LeinadB93 and I have discussed some of the details of one of Britain's greatest hallmark institutions and adding detail and flavor to it; the Royal Navy. We've already seen the who's-who of fleets under the United Kingdom and Empire HERE, but being an OOB aficionado led me to bounce ideas around on what the actual operating forces assigned thereto would be. Thus, with the OP's approval, I present:

    British Royal Navy Fleet and Carrier Deployments:

    1. Home Isles Fleet (Portsmouth, England*; Faslane, Scotland**; Haulbowline, Ireland)
    *HMS Ark Royal (NR-05)
    *HMS Emperor Frederick (NR-06)
    *HMS Dreadnought (NR-22)
    **HMS Lion (NR-11)
    **HMS Thunderchild (NR-23)

    2. Mediterranean Fleet (based out of Malta* and Gibraltar**)
    *HMS Courageous (R-01)
    **HMS Excalibur (NR-07)

    3. North Atlantic Fleet (Halifax, New England*; Norfolk, Virginia**; Wilmington, Carolina)
    *HMS Resolution (NR-24)
    *HMS Enterprise (NR-08)
    **HMS Prince of Chesapeake (NR-25)
    **HMS America (NR-09)
    **HMS Eagle (NR-10)

    4. Caribbean Fleet (San Mateo, Florida*; Kingston, Jamaica; San Juan, Puerto Rico; Chaguaramas, West Indies**)
    *HMS Invincible (NR-04)
    *HMS Victorious (NR-12)
    **HMS Iron Duke (R-02)

    5. South Atlantic Fleet (Georgetown, Sierra Leone*; Ushuaia, Tierra del Fuego)
    *HMS Indomitable (R-14)

    6. North Pacific Fleet (Esquimalt, Oregon*; Pearl Harbour, Hawai'i**)
    *HMS Warrior (NR-26)
    *HMS Furious (NR-15)
    **HMS Illustrious (NR-16)
    **HMS Warspite (NR-17)

    7. South Pacific Fleet (Sydney, Australia*; Auckland, New Zealand)
    *HMS Vanguard (NR-27)
    *HMS Vengeance (NR-18)

    8. Indian Ocean Fleet (Port Louis, Mauritius*; Port Blair, Andaman-Nicobar; Perth, Westralia**)
    *HMS Siege Perilous (R-03)
    **HMS Audacious (NR-19)

    9. East Asian Fleet (based out of Hong Kong* and Singapore**)
    *HMS Emperor George VI (NR-28)
    **HMS Revenge (NR-20)

    10. Arabian Sea Fleet (based out of Socotra*)
    *HMS Formidable (NR-21)

    British Carrier Classes:

    Courageous-class [OTL Kitty Hawk-class]
    HMS Courageous (R-01)
    HMS Iron Duke (R-02)
    HMS Siege Perilous (R-03)
    HMS Indomitable (R-14)

    Invincible-class [OTL Nimitz-class]
    HMS Invincible (NR-04)
    HMS Ark Royal (NR-05)
    HMS Emperor Frederick (NR-06)
    HMS Excalibur (NR-07)
    HMS Enterprise (NR-08)
    HMS America (NR-09)
    HMS Eagle (NR-10)
    HMS Lion (NR-11)
    HMS Victorious (NR-12)
    HMS Furious (NR-15)
    HMS Illustrious (NR-16)
    HMS Warspite (NR-17)
    HMS Vengeance (NR-18)
    HMS Audacious (NR-19)
    HMS Revenge (NR-20)
    HMS Formidable (NR-21)
    HMS Dreadnought (NR-22)
    HMS Thunderchild (NR-23)
    HMS Resolution (NR-24)
    HMS Prince of Chesapeake (NR-25)
    HMS Warrior (NR-26)

    Vanguard-class [OTL Gerald R. Ford-class]
    HMS Vanguard (NR-27)
    HMS Emperor George VI (NR-28)

    More to follow as per direction from the OP, possibly in wikibox format.

    EDIT: For crediting purposes, I have cribbed the pennant number system indicated from both OTL sources and inspiration from trekchu's "Against All Odds" timeline.
     
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