Hail, Britannia

Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by LeinadB93, Jul 30, 2017.

  1. Zyxoriv Jack of all trades, master of none.

    Nov 26, 2017
    Let's see (these are the known North American ones):

    Oregon: Christy Clark
    Virginia: Joe Manchin
    Puerto Rico: Jenniffer Gonzalez
    Florida: Carlo Lopez-Cantera
    New England: Peter MacAidh
    Missouri: Amy Klobuchar
    Canada: Gerard Kennedy
    Bahamas: Peter Turnquest
    NF/L: Jack Harris
  2. Excelsior Time's arrow marches forward

    Sep 24, 2015
    New England - Peter MacAidh (Peter MacKay) (Conservative)
    Florida - Alejo Garza (SFIA)
    Newfoundland - Jack Harris (Liberal Democratic)
    Canada - Gerard Kennedy (Liberal)
    Missouri - Amy Klobuchar (Progressive-Farmer-Labor)
    Virginia - Joe Manchin (Labour)
    Puerto Rico - Jenniffer Gonzalez (UCR)
    Scotland - Jim Murphy (Independent Labour)
    Oregon - Christy Clark (National Unionist)
    Accra(?) - Catherine Afeku (Liberal)
    Australia - Will Hodgman (Liberal)
    Louisiana - unknown (Marie Landrieu until 2016)
    New Zealand - unknown (possibly Paula Bennett)
  3. Riley Uhr Muldoon did nothing wrong

    Jul 26, 2016
    What were the results of the Same-Sex Marriage Referendum in 2013?
  4. celt9 Well-Known Member

    Sep 25, 2017
    My guess for the overall empire 55 Yes 45 No

    Yes Dominions: Andaman-Nicobar, Australia, Canada, Columbia, Cornwall, England, Florida, Gibraltar, Hong Kong, Ireland, Malta, Missouri, New England, New Zealand, Newfoundland, Ohio Country, Oregon, Scotland, Singapore, Wales, Westralia

    No Dominions: Carolina, Fiji, Jamaica, Louisiana, Mauritius, Puerto Rico, Sierra Leone, Virginia, West Indies
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  5. celt9 Well-Known Member

    Sep 25, 2017
    Im interested in the results of the Sierra Leone accesion referendum in 2001.
  6. celt9 Well-Known Member

    Sep 25, 2017
    Results by dominion for 2013 same-sex marriage referendum (my guess)
    Dominion Y/N
    Andaman-Nicobar 52.3%/ 47.7%
    Australia 58.1%/ 41.9%
    Canada 70.4% / 29.6%
    Carolina 42.7%/ 57.3%
    Columbia 61.6%/ 38.4%
    Cornwall 56.9%/ 43.1%
    England 63.0%/ 37.0%
    Fiji 38.5%/ 61.5%
    Florida 54.9%/ 45.1%
    Gibraltar 58.2%/ 41.8%
    Hong Kong 56.7%/ 43.3%
    Ireland 64.6%/ 35.4%
    Jamaica 11.8%/ 88.2%
    Lousiana 43.7%/ 56.3%
    Malta 50.7% / 49.3%
    Mauritius 48.6%/ 51.4%
    Missouri 55.0%/ 45.0%
    New England 77.3%/ 22.7%
    New Zealand 68.9%/ 31.1%
    Newfoundland 64.3%/ 35.7%
    Ohio Country 57.5%/ 42.5%
    Oregon 63.6%/ 36.4%
    Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands 38.0%/ 62.0%
    Scotland 60.7%/ 39.3%
    Sierra Leone 8.9%/ 91.1%
    Singapore 55.6%/ 44.4%
    Virginia 49.6%/ 50.4%
    Wales 61.7%/ 38.3%
    West Indies 17.7%/ 82.3%
    Westralia 53.3%/ 46.7%
  7. celt9 Well-Known Member

    Sep 25, 2017
    Results by Imperial Political Alliances for the Same-Sex Marriage Referendum in 2013
    Party Y/N
    Social Democrats and Progressives 68.7%/ 31.3%
    Conservatives, Democrats, and Unionists 47.9%/ 52.1%
    Liberals and Reformists 81.5%/ 18.5%
    Greens 93.2%/ 6.8%
    Heritage 14.6%/ 85.4%
    Regions 63.0%/ 37.0%
    Progressive Conservatives 64.6%/ 35.4%
    Libertarians 57.2%/ 42.8%
    Socialist Labour 42.3%/ 57.7%
    Peoples Alliance 33.4%/ 66.6%
    Republican 54.9%/ 45.1%
  8. LeinadB93 Just Leinad

    Feb 9, 2013
    God's Own County
    It’s a similar situation to OTL Puerto Rico. Brazilian Africa can’t vote in federal elections, but has broad self-government at the local level. The territory can also vote in party leadership elections, so they have some say in elected leaders...

    All pretty close :) Here's the full (rough) list so far:

    Andaman-Nicobar: Richard Hay (Alliance)
    Australia: Will Hodgman (Liberal)
    Canada: Gerard Kennedy (Liberal)
    Carolina: Jeb Bush (Coalition)
    Columbia: Jeffrey Chiesa (Conservative)
    Cornwall: Dick Cole (Mebyon Kernow)
    England: Yvette Cooper (Social Democratic & Labour)
    Fiji: Laisenia Qarase (United Fiji)
    Florida: Alejo Garza (SFIA)
    Gibraltar: Latifa Akherbach (United Left)
    Hong Kong: Jasper Tsang (Democratic)
    Ireland: Mairead McGuiness (Éire Aontaithe)
    Jamaica: Angela Brown-Burke (Labour)
    Louisiana: Bobby Jindal (Unionist)
    Malta: Joseph Muscat (Labour)
    Mauritius: Xavier-Luc Duval (Conservative)
    Missouri: Amy Klobuchar (Progressive-Farmer-Labour)
    New England: Petar MacÀidh (Conservative)
    New Zealand: David Cunliffe (Social Democrats)
    Newfoundland: Jack Harris (Liberal Democratic)
    Ohio Country: Sir Barack Obama (ALDO)
    Oregon: Christy Clark (National Unionist)
    Puerto Rico: Jenniffer González (UCR)
    Scotland: Jim Murphy (Independent Labour)
    Sierra Leone: Julius Maada Bio (Socialist People's)
    Singapore: Lee Hsien Loong (People's Action)
    Virginia: Joe Manchin (Labour)
    Wales: Huw Lewis (Labour)
    West Indies: Kamla Persad-Bissessar (Federal)
    Westralia: Tzipi Livni (Labour)

    About 65/35 in favour of imperial recognition of same-sex marriage.

    About 60/40 in favour, with only Carolina and Louisiana voting against it, both narrowly...
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  9. FleetMac Patriotic Scalawag

    Jan 13, 2011
    VA boy living in a TX world
    Holy moley, @LeinadB93 lives! Welcome back :)

    Awesome list of Dominion leaders there, looking forward to hopefully reading their entries when they're ready.
  10. gunnerkite Active Member

    Aug 5, 2013
    Sheffield, England, British Empire
    Damn, beat me to it! Good to see you back Lei
  11. Threadmarks: China; Kuomintang China (1927-1947)

    LeinadB93 Just Leinad

    Feb 9, 2013
    God's Own County
    Thanks :) It's good to be back. Unfortunately the return to the new school term has been a lot more hectic than usual! So this is the first free chance I've had to contribute again to this series.

    But here's China for you all to enjoy :)


    The Federal Republic of China, also known as the United Republic of China, the Fourth Chinese Republic, or simply the Chinese Republic, is a sovereign state located in East Asia, bounded by the Yellow Sea and East China Sea to the east, and the world’s second-largest county, and the largest republic, by population. The fourth-largest country by area, with a combined area of 4.4 million square kilometres, China shares land borders with the Empire of Manchuria to the northeast, the Union of Soviet Sovereign Republics to the north and northwest, the State of Tibet to the the west, and the Union of Burma, the Kingdom of Laos, and the United Vietnamese Republic to the south. China also claims numerous islands and maritime territories in the South China Sea, which are currently disputed between China, Vietnam, Sulu, Sarawak, Malaya and Brunei. China also shares borders with the city-states of Hong Kong, Macau and Kouang-Tchéou-Wan along the country's southern coast.

    Chinese civilisation emerged as early as the 21st century BCE with the semi-legendary Xia dynasty, with the Yellow River and Yangtze River valleys commonly held to be the cradle of Chinese civilisation. For millennia, China's political system was based on hereditary monarchies, or dynasties, and the country has expanded, fractured, and re-unified numerous times. The earliest known written records of Chinese history date from 1250 BCE, during the Shang dynasty who ruled in the Yellow River valley. In the 3rd century BCE, the Qin unified core China after conquering the various warring states and established the first Chinese empire, as well as constructing the first sections of the Great Wall. The short lived dynasty was supplanted by the Han dynasty, which ruled from 206 BC until 220 AD, following a widespread civil war. The Han established the first Chinese bureaucratic systems, and expanded the empire's territory considerably, with campaigns reaching as far as Central Asia, Mongolia and Yunnan. The Han period also saw the establishment of the Silk Road between the Han territories and Mesopotamia, and China gradually became the largest economy of the ancient world, whilst Chinese culture and technology experienced unprecedented advancement.

    For nearly 21 centuries, Chinese history has alternated between periods of unity and peace, and periods of war and failed statehood, with numerous dynasties rising and falling prior to the 17th century CE when the Manchu Qing dynasty overthrew the Ming dynasty in 1644. The Qing multi-cultural empire lasted for almost three centuries, and was the fourth largest empire in history, but reached its peak in the late 18th century under the Qianlong Emperor, before beginning to decline in prosperity and imperial control. Following the Opium Wars, foreign powers imposed "unequal treaties", and the creation of extraterritorial treaty ports under foreign control such as Hong Kong and Macau. The 1861 Tongzhi Restoration began a decade long process of restoring practical imperial rule to China under the Tongzhi Emperor, whilst restoring practical abilities and consolidating the political system under the Emperor. The Restoration initiated a period of fiscal and administrative reform, and an extensive period of modernisation and industrialisation throughout China. The stalemate in the War of Jiawu against Japan over influence in Korea further strengthened China's domestic situation with the rise to prominence of revolutionaries in opposition to the foreign powers. The death of the Guangxu Emperor in 1908 alienated the hardline Manchu court from reformers and Han Chinese elite by obstructing continued reform.

    In 1912, the Qing dynasty was overthrown in the Xinhai Revolution which established the First Chinese Republic whilst the reigning Xuantong Emperor went into exile in Manchuria, establishing the Empire of Manchuria, and Tibet, Mongolia, Taiwan and Tuva broke away from central control. Between 1912 and 1927, China was again wracked by internal instability as various warlords vied for control of the fractured nation, a period known as the Second Chinese Republic. The economic and political turmoil gave rise to the fascist and militarist Kuomintang who seized power over the entire country in 1927, with the establishment of the Third Chinese Republic, officially known as the National Republic of China, but more commonly known as Kuomintang China, following the Northern Expedition led by Chiang Kai-shek. Close relations with Nazi Germany, led to China's membership in the Axis alliance and after several large-scale military successes during the Chinese Wars of Expansion, China had annexed much of the territory lost after the fall of the Qing, namely Tibet, Manchuria, Taiwan, Mongolia and Tuva. The outbreak of the the Second World War in 1939 allowed China to occupy French Indochina, Korea and parts of the Russian Far East and Japan. However the most disastrous blow to the Allies came in 1942, when Chinese forces overran the Allied defences in the Philippines, Burma, Northeast India and Malaya effectively handing the entire Indochinese peninsula to Axis control At the height of its power in 1942, the National Republic of China ruled over a land area spanning 15,700,000 square kilometres (6,063,000 sq mi), making it one of the largest empires in history.

    Fortunately the progress of Chinese forces was stalled at Singapore where a British Commonwealth force prevented the fall of the city, enabling parts of the British and the Dutch East Indies to avoid occupation. The Siege of Singapore lasted from 1942 to 1945 and prevented the planned invasions of Sumatra, Java and the Lesser Sunda Islands, as well as blunting the Chinese advanced across the rest of Southeast Asia, ultimately sparing Australia from invasion, although Chinese troops took Borneo, Sulawesi and much of New Guinea. Throughout the conflict China gained notoriety for its war crimes against the peoples of the countries it conquered, most notoriously on the Burma Railway where more than 100,000 civilians and prisoners of war were killed, and in Manchuria where China attempted to exterminate the Manchu people. Despite suffering many defeats and faced with the invasion and firebombing of the mainland, China refused to surrender until the atomic bombings of Shanghai and Tianjin in January 1946, which killed Chiang Kai-shek and the majority of the Chinese government. China would surrender on 2 February 1946, and the country was subjected to an occupation under five zones governed by each of the principal Allied Powers.

    Increasing tensions between the Chinese democrats and communists, each backed by opposing sides in the nascent Cold War, would continue to escalate in the immediate post-war years despite an ill-defined and tenuous truce. Clashes between the two opposing forces began in March 1946, shortly after the Chinese surrender, and would escalate to open, if undeclared war, following the signing of the new Chinese Constitution on 2 October 1947. The subsequent civil war would engulf much of China and East Asia in a devastating conflict between democrats and communists that only ended in 1952 with the signing of the Paris Peace Accords and the relocation of Chinese and Korean communists to Soviet-annexed territories, the recognition of numerous border and territory changes, and resulted in nearly 10 million civilian and military casualties across the region. China's new constitution came into force on 27 July 1953, with the entering into force of the Treaty of Kyoto, which ended the Allied occupation and officially dissolved Kuomintang China and established the Federal Republic under a semi-presidential system.

    Economic growth throughout the late 20th century has led to China's economy being one of the world's fastest-growing with high annual growth rates, and the country is currently the world's second-largest economy by nominal GDP and purchasing power parity (PPP). China conducted it's first nuclear test in 1972, a year after it gained a permanent seat on the United Nations Security Council, and has been one of the two non-NPT recognised nuclear powers ever since. Despite historically close relations with the United Empire, and cordial ones with Japan and India, since the end of the Cold War the country has re-positioned itself as a close ally to Moscow as part of the Sino-Soviet Alliance and the Collective Security Treaty Organisation. Today China is a nuclear weapon state and a recognised great power within Asia, with the world's largest army and second-largest defence budget China is recognised as a potential future superpower.

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  12. celt9 Well-Known Member

    Sep 25, 2017
    What would a Westralian election look like?
  13. Wayside If It Were Up To Me

    Jun 10, 2015
    Former Firewall State
    Given the looks of that map, I can imagine that the Tibetan-Uighur situation would be rather tense.
  14. angakkuq Friendly Neighborhood Geek

    Apr 21, 2009
    So the Soviet Union's still around?
  15. LeinadB93 Just Leinad

    Feb 9, 2013
    God's Own County
    Interesting... The Jewish vote in the Kimberley region adds an extra twist, with two Jewish parties competing alongside the two main Anglo parties. So effectively both the left and the right are in a coalition much like OTL Australia (e.g. Liberal-National), with a larger Anglo party linked to a smaller Jewish party.

    How do you mean?

    Looking at my notes, most ethnic Tibetans live in Greater Tibet (population of c. 8 million) whilst most ethnic Uyghurs like in the Soviet republic of Uyghuristan (southern Xinjiang, population c. 11 million)... Maybe some border communities would be mixed...

    Yep :) Successfully reformed under the New Union Treaty.

    There's a post in the works on it.
  16. manofsteelwool Well-Known Member

    Oct 27, 2007
    Taiwan disappeared in the Federal Republic of China wikibox.
  17. Threadmarks: Presidents and Prime Ministers of China

    LeinadB93 Just Leinad

    Feb 9, 2013
    God's Own County
    Whoops :p Fixed now!

    Here's the follow up with the Presidents and Prime Ministers of China since 1953:


    Presidents of the Federal Republic of China (1953–)
    11. 1953–1965 Sun Li-jen (Independent) (1st)
    12. 1965–1969 Li Zongren† (Independent)
    13. 1969–1973 Sun Li-jen (Independent) (2nd)
    14. 1973–1981 Sun Yun-suan (Progress & Development)
    15. 1981–1985 Yen Chia-kan (Progress & Development)
    16. 1985–1989 Deng Xiaoping (United Workers’ Front)
    17. 1989–1993 Hau Pei-tsun (Independent)
    18. 1993–1997 Lee Yuan-tsu (Progress & Development)
    19. 1997–2005 Zhao Ziyang (United Workers’ Front)
    10. 2005–2013 Hu Jintao (Progress & Development)
    11. 2013–2022 Zhang Dejiang (Independent)

    Prime Ministers of the Federal Republic of China (1953–)
    11. 1953–1960 Yu Hung-chun† (Progress & Development)
    12. 1960–1961 Soong Tse-ven (Progress & Development)
    13. 1961–1969 Zhou Enlai (United Workers’ Front) (1st)
    14. 1969–1973 Yen Chia-kan (Progress & Development)
    15. 1973–1976 Zhou Enlai† (United Workers’ Front) (2nd)
    16. 1976–1985 Deng Xiaoping (United Workers’ Front)
    17. 1985–1993 Tang Fei (United Workers’ Front)
    18. 1993–1997 Lien Chan (Progress & Development)
    19. 1997–2001 Zhu Rongji (Progress & Development)
    10. 2001–2005 Wen Jiabao (United Workers’ Front)
    11. 2005–2017 Ma Ying-jeou (Progress & Development)
    12. 2017–2022 Sun Chunlan (United Workers’ Front)
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  18. Wayside If It Were Up To Me

    Jun 10, 2015
    Former Firewall State
    Oh, whoops. :oops: Totally forgot which region was controlled by which. I thought Tibet also controlled Xinjiang. My bad!
  19. Threadmarks: Chinese Civil War

    LeinadB93 Just Leinad

    Feb 9, 2013
    God's Own County
    Haha no worries :) Xinjiang is firmly part of the Soviet Union! Tibet is an independent monarchy, widely considered the Switzerland of Asia.

    Here's a bit of something relating to Chinese and East Asian history that people might find interesting...


    The Chinese Civil War was an armed civil and military conflict fought between the Chinese pro-democracy movements and the Communist Party, primarily in Allied-occupied China but also including conflicts in East Turkestan, Manchuria and Korea, with smaller conflicts in Mongolia and Tibet. The conflict is considered to have been the first of several "proxy wars" between Britain and the Soviet Union during the Cold War, and the two sides were supported by the anti- and pro-communist international alliances respectively. Although the Communist insurgency had been ongoing in China since the 1927 White Terror purge of the Communists from Kuomintang China, the twelve-year armed struggle against the regime of Chiang Kai-shek sapped much of the strength of the Communist party, and the involvement of the Soviet Union in the Far Eastern Front sapped much of the Comintern's power. Many Chinese Communists had gone into exile in Xinjiang and Soviet Central Asia, and with the surrender of Kuomintang China in February 1946 after the atomic bombing of Shanghai and Tianjin, Mao Zedong returned to Yan'an at the head of a strong Communist force on 31 March 1946.

    With the heavy presence of Allied forces, and the reorganisation and disarming of the Chinese military, the immediate post-war period of the conflict was free of armed conflicts with the encounters between Democrats and Communists limited to small skirmishes outside of major cities. Negotiations between the two sides, led by Sun Li-jen and Mao Zedong respectively, held in Guangzhou would eventually produce a new constitution that was passed by a nominally democratic "Rump Yuan" on 2 October 1947, that would establish a federal semi-presidential republic modelled on the Texan system. However the stipulation from Britain and Japan was that the constitution would only come into effect when a final peace was signed between China and the Allied Powers, and all Kuomintang leaders had been tried under an international military tribunal, caused unrest with the Communists and the Soviets. Some historians believe that Britain and Japan were making certain that any potential Kuomintang threat was dealt with, whilst also allowing reconstruction to begin in China, whilst others are of the opinion that the two allies wanted to avoid a repeat of the Communist takeovers in Hungary and Poland.

    Despite an agreement between Sun Li-jen and Mao Zedong about the need for peaceful reconstruction, and a vague commitment to the establishment of a fully functioning democracy in China, Soviet and Communist forces in Manchuria and northern Korea began armed conflict against the re-established pre-war governments and the local Allied forces. Mainland China would erupt into full scale civil war in early 1948, when Democratic and Communist forces clashed in the lower Yellow River valley. The conflict would wage near continuously for the next three years, primarily limited to northern and western China, as communists and democrats fought for control of the major cities and surrounding countryside, with repeated offensives and retreats by opposing forces. Minor deployments of Allied forces along the coastal of the Yellow Sea, and in northern Korea and Manchuria, helped to turn the tide in-favour of the democrats, whilst the Soviets remained unable to heavily intervene militarily due to losses sustained in the Second World War. Soviet-backed Uyghur socialists, who had first revolted in 1944, would be the most successful of the Soviet allies and last until the end of the war as the only bastion of communist support in China.

    By September 1951, the communists had been completely forced out of Manchuria and the Korean Peninsula, with Soviet-backed forces retreating across the border to the Soviet Far East, Mongolia, and occupied Xinjiang, which remained the only part of China under communist control. The stalemate between the two forces would continue until November, with the democrats unable to fight their way into Soviet-held territories, and the Soviets and communists unable to counterattack into solidly held democratic territory. The major regional and world leaders would meet in Paris over a six-month period to hammer out a deal or compromise to end the conflict, as the full-scale civil war came to a uneasy halt. On 28 April 1952 the Paris Peace Accords came into effect, which partitioned China and established the modern territorial divisions of East Asia, whilst recognising the independence of Manchuria, Tibet and Mongolia. The final death toll left nearly 5 million civilians dead as a result of conflict, disease or displacement, with over 4 million soldiers having perished in the conflict, making the civil war one of the most costly conflicts since the Second World War.

    Hundreds of thousands of Chinese, Korean and Manchurian communists and sympathisers were displaced in the immediate aftermath, with many making the long trek to Soviet annexed Xinjiang. The exiles would establish their own ethnic republics within the Soviet Union, predominantly settling across northern Xinjiang, territory which makes up the modern Soviet republics of Jungarea and Beijiang, and their populations were bolstered by the defeat of the communists in the Second Indochina War. Despite historically tense relations between the Soviets and the Chinese, especially following the annexation of Xinjiang and Mongolia to the Soviet Union, since the end of the Cold War, relations between the two neighbouring nuclear-states and great powers have thawed to the point that both are now members of the Collective Security Treaty Organisation, a key regional security organisation in Asia.

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  20. Damian0358 Well-Known Member

    May 5, 2016
    I must wonder greatly about the atomic bombing of Shanghai and Tianjin - akin to the developments OTL that would eventually settle the final bombing locations to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, how did they settle on choosing Shanghai and Tianjin?