Hail, Britannia

Stellar post!!! I have a few questions

1. What became of Jose Rizal? Does he still write revolutionary writings against the colonial government? I assume that without the church and the other institutions that influenced his writings OTL, he would just remain as a prominent ilustrado.
2. Why was Palawan separated from the Philippines?
3. Is there still a large diaspora of Filipinos outside the country? If so, where are they concentrated?
 

LeinadB93

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Amazing box and writeup, but both the South China and Philippine seas are on the west in the first paragraph.
Thanks :) and thanks for catching that! I do know my cardinal directions I promise :p

Stellar post!!! I have a few questions

1. What became of Jose Rizal? Does he still write revolutionary writings against the colonial government? I assume that without the church and the other institutions that influenced his writings OTL, he would just remain as a prominent ilustrado.
2. Why was Palawan separated from the Philippines?
3. Is there still a large diaspora of Filipinos outside the country? If so, where are they concentrated?
Thanks :D

1. Jose Rizal would probably ITTL be a prominent ilustrado as you said. I think he would be regarded as one of the great Filipino writers. Without the institutions that influenced him OTL, I think his writings might be less overtly revolutionary, perhaps more nuanced in exploring the historic injustices inflicted on the Philippines by Spain. And perhaps even the British during the Revolt. I think his writings would have influenced the home rule movement (successful in the 1910s) and he would have been an advocate for Filipino self-governance.

2. ITTL Palawan and the Sulu Archipelago weren't ceded by Brunei/Sulu to the Spanish, although they de facto controlled them. When Britain took over, and eventually made Brunei and Sulu protectorate in the 1870s/80s they were recognised as part of the Sultanate of Sulu rather than the Crown Colony of the Philippines. The island remains home to a pretty vocal movement for secession. Part of the Spralty Islands are also part of Sulu.

3. Yes definitely, very much like OTL. However, the Overseas Filipinos would mostly be found in the United Empire and other parts of the Commonwealth, like California, Texas, Cochinchina, possibly Patagonia. There are also the Alaskeros in Alaska.
 
Prime Ministers of the Philippines

LeinadB93

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Credit to @HongCanucker and @Turquoise Blue for these:


Prime Ministers of the Commonwealth of the Philippines (1911–)
11. 1911–1919 Andrés Bonifacio (National Reform majority, then Wartime Coalition)
12. 1919–1922 Antonio Luna (National Reform majority)
13. 1922–1923 Rafael Palma† (Conservative majority)
14. 1923–1931 Sergio Osmeña (Conservative majority)
15. 1931–1942 Manuel Quezon (Liberal majority)
10. 1942–1945 Second Philippine Republic - Axis Occupation
16. 1945–1951 Eugenio Pérez (Liberal majority)
17. 1951–1957 Sir Vicente Madrigal (Progressive Nationalist majority)
18. 1957–1963 Carlos P. Garcia (Progressive Nationalist majority)
19. 1963–1967 Diosdado Macapagal (Liberal minority, with Socialist and Democrat support)
10. 1967–1975 Lorenzo Tañada (Progressive Nationalist majority)
11. 1975–1982 Ramon Mitra Jr. (Liberal majority)
12. 1982–1991 Emmanuel Santos (Progressive Nationalist majority, then Progressive NationalistChristian Democratic majority coalition)
13. 1991–1993 Salvador Laurel (Progressive NationalistChristian DemocraticPopular Force majority coalition)
14. 1993–2001 Panfilo Lacson (LiberalChristian DemocraticAction majority coalition, then LiberalActionPopular Force majority coalition)
15. 2001–2006 Manuel Villar (Progressive NationalistChristian Muslim DemocraticSocial Reform majority coalition)
16. 2006–2011 Alfredo Lim (LiberalChristian Muslim DemocraticPopular Force majority coalition)
17. 2011–2017 Loren Legarda (Progressive NationalistChristian Muslim Democratic majority coalition, then Progressive NationalistCMDGreen majority coalition)
18. 2017–2020 Aquilino Pimentel III (Social ReformPopular ForceAction minority coalition)
 
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You know Leinad once you have finished giving us the basic statistics (Population, Development, etc) on the UKE, the Commonwealth and the fully independent parts of former British Empire, it would be interesting to see a post on “What if the British Empire United Today?”, like you see on YouTube all the time.

Obviously it would be in Wikipedia article format, but it would probably easier to make up a very fringe movement or political group which advocates for a “Britannic Unification” of some sort, with their talking points being “this union would have a population of X, a Human Index of Y and would consist of Z% of Global GDP, so it would be ...”
 
Credit to @HongCanucker and @Turquoise Blue for these:


Prime Ministers of the Commonwealth of the Philippines (1911–)
11. 1911–1919 Andrés Bonifacio (National Reform majority, then Wartime Coalition)
12. 1919–1922 Antonio Luna (National Reform majority)
13. 1922–1923 Rafael Palma† (Conservative majority)
14. 1923–1931 Sergio Osmeña (Conservative majority)
15. 1931–1942 Manuel Quezon (Liberal majority)
10. 1942–1945 Second Philippine Republic - Axis Occupation
16. 1945–1951 Eugenio Pérez (Liberal majority)
17. 1951–1957 Sir Vicente Madrigal (Progressive Nationalist majority)
18. 1957–1963 Carlos P. Garcia (Progressive Nationalist majority)
19. 1963–1967 Diosdado Macapagal (Liberal minority, with Socialist and Democrat support)
10. 1967–1975 Lorenzo Tañada (Progressive Nationalist majority)
11. 1975–1982 Ramon Mitra Jr. (Liberal majority)
12. 1982–1991 Emmanuel Santos (Progressive Nationalist majority, then Progressive NationalistChristian Democratic majority coalition)
13. 1991–1993 Salvador Laurel (Progressive NationalistChristian DemocraticPopular Force majority coalition)
14. 1993–2001 Panfilo Lacson (LiberalChristian DemocraticAction majority coalition, then LiberalActionPopular Force majority coalition)
15. 2001–2006 Manuel Villar (Progressive NationalistChristian Muslim DemocraticSocial Reform majority coalition)
16. 2006–2011 Alfredo Lim (LiberalChristian Muslim DemocraticPopular Force majority coalition)
17. 2011–2017 Loren Legarda (Progressive NationalistChristian Muslim Democratic majority coalition, then Progressive NationalistChristian Muslim DemocraticGreen majority coalition)
18. 2017–2020 Aquilino Pimentel III (Social ReformPopular ForceAction minority coalition)
Thank you, @LeinadB93 for giving me the updates on my home country?

What are the political positions/ideologies for all Philippine political parties?

How my home country got 0.762 in terms of current HDI statistics data report? Is there any changes that makes my home country better like OTL Malaysia than the OTL American-colonized Philippines which led to insurgencies or poor management?
 

LeinadB93

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You know Leinad once you have finished giving us the basic statistics (Population, Development, etc) on the UKE, the Commonwealth and the fully independent parts of former British Empire, it would be interesting to see a post on “What if the British Empire United Today?”, like you see on YouTube all the time.

Obviously it would be in Wikipedia article format, but it would probably easier to make up a very fringe movement or political group which advocates for a “Britannic Unification” of some sort, with their talking points being “this union would have a population of X, a Human Index of Y and would consist of Z% of Global GDP, so it would be ...”
I don't think I'm ever going to finish the basic stats on the UKE and the Commonwealth 🤪

Now that you mentioned the Spratlys, are there any disputed territories ITTL, at least in the scale of OTL Spratlys or Jammu and Kashmir?
Hmm... I suppose the closest dispute would be the Aksai Chin dispute between India and the USSR.

Socotra is subject to claims from Abyan.

Then there's the disputed status of Pontus and Hainan, but they are more analogous to Abkhazia/South Ossetia and Taiwan respectively.

Some Castilians want to reclaim Gibraltar (all of it), but its a minority.

Other than that, there aren't really any other notable disputes to speak of...

I actually think the Spralty islands might actually be semi-disputed between Cochinchina, Sulu and lately an expansionist China. Although Cochinchina and Sulu have banded together against Chinese encroachment...

Thank you, @LeinadB93 for giving me the updates on my home country?
You are very welcome :) I hope you like it, and everything makes sense and is plausible ITTL!

What are the political positions/ideologies for all Philippine political parties?
I'll compile some notes into a post later today or tomorrow. But I don't want to give to much away before I post the most recent election (although the map is giving me some trouble)

How my home country got 0.762 in terms of current HDI statistics data report? Is there any changes that makes my home country better like OTL Malaysia than the OTL American-colonized Philippines which led to insurgencies or poor management?
My assumption is that Britain giving Filipinos involvement in government from the 1860s leads to better management. Also that fact that they are part of the Commonwealth Economic Community and open to relatively friction-less trade with the Empire and most of the Commonwealth boosts their development on par with Malaysia. I hope that makes sense?
 

LeinadB93

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Given the sudden increase in free time with lockdown, I've set myself the challenge of creating election maps for parts of this timeline that don't have them IOTL.

Here's Tahiti, which ITTL you'll remember is a constitutional monarchy and British associated state. They use a parallel voting system, but here are the 74 single-seat constituencies which use FPTP. I'm also planning to do something with this in my X-in-Y One Shots series, probably a Canadian province:

 
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LeinadB93

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Can we have more lists of party leaders like in the Social Credit post? Any party will do, even the Big Three, but the smaller ones would be cooler to see.
Sorry I missed your last post!

I can neither confirm nor deny that something similar may or may not be forming part of Empire updates over July and August.

Whats happening to AUS and New Zealand?
I;m liking the whole premise of 'no american civil war'
Indeed, Australia has already been covered. Though it is due an election there this November. TB did a lot of work on New Zealand, and I just haven't got round to mapping out the most recent election, again watch this space :)
 
HMNB Subic Bay

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HMNB Subic Bay is a join British-Philippine military base located in Subic Bay, on the eastern coast of the island of Luzon in the Philippines. Subic Bay is a major base for the British East Asian Fleet, which is headquartered in Hong Kong and Singapore, as well as the home port for Naval Forces Luzon, one of the three divisions of the Royal Philippine Navy. Unlikely other British naval bases, like Pearl Harbour and Akrotiri, Subic Bay is not located on British sovereign territory, instead use of the port and shore facilities is leased from the Commonwealth of the Philippines, who retain use of the base. Subic Bay is one of the largest military installations in the Common Defence Pact, providing berthing and shore side support to surface ships and submarines, as well as maintenance, training and dry dock services, and housing for permanent and transient personnel and their families.

Despite being surveyed by the Spanish during their control of the Philippines, the bay was not developed as a naval yard and military facility until the British began construction in 1874. By 1900, Subic Bay was home to a navy yard for the maintenance and construction of vessels, along with the shore side facilities to support construction and repair activities. Throughout the early 20th century, Subic Bay became a key shipyard for the Royal Navy, and established facilities for plane handling. During the Second World War, much of the navy yard and facilities were scuttled and destroyed during the Chinese invasion of the Philippines, although the Chinese used the bay as a naval base during their occupation of the islands.

Following the liberation of the Philippines, the British Commonwealth re-established a military presence at Subic Bay, which became a joint operated naval and submarine base through bilateral agreements between Britain and the Philippines. An aerial station, RPAF Cubi Point, was established in 1951, and remains a major base for the Royal Air Force and the Royal Philippine Air Force. Discussions about closing the base in the 1980s led to the 1987 Treaty of Manila, that agreed a fifty-year joint operation agreement between the United Empire and the Philippines, set to expire in 2037, allowing Britain to retain Subic Bay as a naval base.
 

LeinadB93

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Interesting post, do the other commonwealth powers use the base, the Indian Navy for example?
You know you can like a post if you find it interesting...

Indian Navy - unlikely as they aren't part of the Common Defence Pact. Texas, Patagonia and California probably do, Japanese vessels would be welcome. As would any CDP member state. Though it's mainly the British and Philippine navies.
 

LeinadB93

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ITTL Samoa is best described as an aristocratic semi-constitutional monarchy. The King (the Malietoa) still wields significant legislative power, alongside a bicameral Parliament (the Fono). The upper house (Council of Chiefs) functions much like the OTL Legislative Assembly with members being the matai elected from districts, the Prime Minister is chosen from this chamber. The lower house (House of Assembly) is elected in 60 constituencies under universal suffrage, with the leader of the largest party chosen as Speaker (similar to the OTL US position).

 
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