Habsburg keeps Spain.

I'm not sure if he could really avoid that... Look at how much his genealogical tree was creepy:

True, but genetcis is a game of chance. The obsession with relatives so closely related was already receding, and it would really last ony a couple or three generations more, so the branch could have survived to the present day.
The rest of Europe's royal families weren't any better, after all, and most if not all of them are still alive. Even the Austrian Hapsburgs themselves, wich ware every bit as bad ase the spanish ones.
 
It would be interesting if Charles II of Spain produced a male heir because in all likely hood Charles II's son would marry Maria Thresa and Spain and Austria would be united by one King.... Prussia is in trouble if that happened
 
It would be interesting if Charles II of Spain produced a male heir because in all likely hood Charles II's son would marry Maria Thresa and Spain and Austria would be united by one King.... Prussia is in trouble if that happened

It wouldn't. Please remember that the War of the Spanish Succession was almost won by the English-Austrian faction when Joseph Ist died and Charles, who occupied Catalonia at that time, had to renounce his claims on Spain since he was now Emperor and ruler of Austria. No power in that century would have allowed Spain and Austria to have the same monarch.

The same went for Philip V of Spain, who, at one time, wished to become king of France, thus almost igniting another European war.

My original proposal was to move the Charles - Maria Tereza - Franz Josef branch into Spain (which would retain southern Italy, but probably not Belgium) and let Austria in the hands of Joseph's female descendants and, most probably, the electors of Saxony. Thus Austria would retain interest and influence in Germany, at the expense of italian affairs.
 

Valdemar II

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It wouldn't. Please remember that the War of the Spanish Succession was almost won by the English-Austrian faction when Joseph Ist died and Charles, who occupied Catalonia at that time, had to renounce his claims on Spain since he was now Emperor and ruler of Austria. No power in that century would have allowed Spain and Austria to have the same monarch.

The same went for Philip V of Spain, who, at one time, wished to become king of France, thus almost igniting another European war.

My original proposal was to move the Charles - Maria Tereza - Franz Josef branch into Spain (which would retain southern Italy, but probably not Belgium) and let Austria in the hands of Joseph's female descendants and, most probably, the electors of Saxony. Thus Austria would retain interest and influence in Germany, at the expense of italian affairs.

So Maria Josepha end up engaged to Frederick Augustus II, and marry him when she's a year or two older, who end up Emperor until she marry? Frederick Augustus II or Charles (maybe with a deal that he abdicates when Frederick Augustus II and Maria Josepha marry).
 
A question what would Joseph I gain if he succced in becoming king of Spain? All of Spains possesion or would some of them up in others hands?

The original proposed partitions gave some of the Empire to France, so I would imagine this would remain so.

It's also worth noting that Bourbon France helped reform the Spanish government, from finances to military. So a Habsburg Spain would be significantly weaker.
 

Valdemar II

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The original proposed partitions gave some of the Empire to France, so I would imagine this would remain so.

It's also worth noting that Bourbon France helped reform the Spanish government, from finances to military. So a Habsburg Spain would be significantly weaker.

Except that I imagine that Maria Theresa would reform it too, she did a quite excellent job on Austria, and here she can go wild, without her dislike of Protestants* and hatred of Jews keeping her somewhat conservative.

*Quite ironic she had a somewhat weird relationship to her Protestants subjects on the one hand she had a deep sense of love for her subjects, and felt much responsiblity toward them on the other hand she was a deeply devout Catholic, and they were heretics, in the end she ended up going soft on them, and saved her intense hatred for the Jews.
 
So Maria Josepha end up engaged to Frederick Augustus II, and marry him when she's a year or two older, who end up Emperor until she marry? Frederick Augustus II or Charles (maybe with a deal that he abdicates when Frederick Augustus II and Maria Josepha marry).

The POD of such a timeline would require Joseph I to live longer than the war. Maria Josepha was born in 1699, therefore she would be perfect to marry away by 1715. The Saxony prince would be a great catch: not only elector (thus ensuring a certain vote for the election of the next emperor), but his father was also king of the Polish Commonwealth. You would have in the center of Europe a compact line of territories, plus Eugene of Savoy would still be alive if the need to defend the dinasty might arise.

I would say that prince Frederick Augustus would be the next emperor (he has two assured votes and can easily buy out two more from the ecclesiastical principalities, even if Prussia and the Palatinat would be against him).

Except that I imagine that Maria Theresa would reform it too, she did a quite excellent job on Austria, and here she can go wild, without her dislike of Protestants* and hatred of Jews keeping her somewhat conservative.

*Quite ironic she had a somewhat weird relationship to her Protestants subjects on the one hand she had a deep sense of love for her subjects, and felt much responsiblity toward them on the other hand she was a deeply devout Catholic, and they were heretics, in the end she ended up going soft on them, and saved her intense hatred for the Jews.

The most interesting thing is seeing Joseph II's reforms implemented in Latin America. Can you spell "no Bolivar"? :)
 

Valdemar II

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The POD of such a timeline would require Joseph I to live longer than the war. Maria Josepha was born in 1699, therefore she would be perfect to marry away by 1715. The Saxony prince would be a great catch: not only elector (thus ensuring a certain vote for the election of the next emperor), but his father was also king of the Polish Commonwealth. You would have in the center of Europe a compact line of territories, plus Eugene of Savoy would still be alive if the need to defend the dinasty might arise.

I would say that prince Frederick Augustus would be the next emperor (he has two assured votes and can easily buy out two more from the ecclesiastical principalities, even if Prussia and the Palatinat would be against him).

Impressive so we end up with Saxony owning Bohemia, Hungary and Austria. But like I said before I doubt he will be elected King of Poland if he already is such a strong Monarch, and it likely a coalition would form to avoid him getting PL too. So do Stanislaw end up King of Poland?

The most interesting thing is seeing Joseph II's reforms implemented in Latin America. Can you spell "no Bolivar"? :)

Oh yeah, Latin America will be different and so will Spain, likely Maria and Josesh is going to pull both kicking and screaming into a modern state (for the time). When the 19th century begin a sleek centralised state and empire will be ready. While under the Wettins the slow dissolving of the HRE will continue, with the mediation kicking in high gear.

The original proposed partitions gave some of the Empire to France, so I would imagine this would remain so.


What colonial territories would be given to France?
 
Impressive so we end up with Saxony owning Bohemia, Hungary and Austria. But like I said before I doubt he will be elected King of Poland if he already is such a strong Monarch, and it likely a coalition would form to avoid him getting PL too. So do Stanislaw end up King of Poland?

Oh yeah, Latin America will be different and so will Spain, likely Maria and Josesh is going to pull both kicking and screaming into a modern state (for the time). When the 19th century begin a sleek centralised state and empire will be ready. While under the Wettins the slow dissolving of the HRE will continue, with the mediation kicking in high gear.

The biggest problem wouldn't be Poland, but Saxony itself, which was protestant. Frankly, the easiest thing would be to marry the girl to the bavarian Charles Albert who was in his young life an austrophile. Plus, he was emperor in real life, so it wouldn't be any different... Oh, and he was married to the cousin of Maria Josepha ;)

If we get Bavaria along Austria, we solidify the german territories in Austria itself, leading to a lesser reliance on Hungary.
 

Valdemar II

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The biggest problem wouldn't be Poland, but Saxony itself, which was protestant. Frankly, the easiest thing would be to marry the girl to the bavarian Charles Albert who was in his young life an austrophile. Plus, he was emperor in real life, so it wouldn't be any different... Oh, and he was married to the cousin of Maria Josepha ;)

If we get Bavaria along Austria, we solidify the german territories in Austria itself, leading to a lesser reliance on Hungary.

I don't think Saxony is going to be a problem in OTL they dealt rather well with the Wettins converting to Catholism, as long as they don't try to convert them, the Saxons isn't going to react negative. Of course with the rather areligeous Wettins as Emperors, Febronianism may get a lot more support, and with the Protestant Silesia, Saxony and to lesser extent Bohemia and Hungary, they may force the idealogy down over the more Catholic part of the Wettins new possesions.
 
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