Habsburg Empire inherited by Jagiellons

My scenario does not kepp Spain Habsburg-free, but Habsburg rule is episode lasting 40 years *here*.
Hypothetical sons of Sigismund & Eleanor or Louis II & Mary are descendants of both Albertine and Leopoldine Habsburg branches. IOTL Jagiellons claimed Austria proper (as descendants of King of the Romans Albert II) even when there were Leopoldine Habsburgs around. With Habsburgs excint in male line no one jak better claims to Austria than Jagiellons. Beside Jagiellons also Wittelsbachs have claim (as descendants of Kunigunde of Austria) but much weaker. Their advantage is fact, that they're Germans.
My point is who having also Spain, colonies and South Italy pass to another foreign dynasty... Keep the Habsburg out of Spain and you will have the Jagellona as ruler of a big German Empire (Poland, Bohemia, Austria and Burgundy) with few interest outside (and so we will likely have a bigger Counter Reformation after a smaller Protestant or the whole Germany (including Austria, Bohemia, Poland, Burgundy and possibly Hungary) going Protestant
 
My point is who having also Spain, colonies and South Italy pass to another foreign dynasty... Keep the Habsburg out of Spain and you will have the Jagellona as ruler of a big German Empire (Poland, Bohemia, Austria and Burgundy) with few interest outside (and so we will likely have a bigger Counter Reformation after a smaller Protestant or the whole Germany (including Austria, Bohemia, Poland, Burgundy and possibly Hungary) going Protestant
Sure, after getting Spain center of gravity of Jagiellon Empire would move outside Central Europe, but still, it is fun idea to see what is the limit of growth for Jagiellons. With Poland-Lithuania, Austria-Hungary-HRE, Spain, and England they would grew bigger than OTL Habsburgs.

I would make some genealogy trees to clarify current situation.
 
Sure, after getting Spain center of gravity of Jagiellon Empire would move outside Central Europe, but still, it is fun idea to see what is the limit of growth for Jagiellons. With Poland-Lithuania, Austria-Hungary-HRE, Spain, and England they would grew bigger than OTL Habsburgs.

I would make some genealogy trees to clarify current situation.
Too big is bad... they will likely follow the OTL destruction path of the Habsburgs...
An united Empire who cover most of Central Europe instead will be a big difference from OTL and can likely survive (England and/or Milan can very well ended included in that Empire with time)
 
Too big is bad... they will likely follow the OTL destruction path of the Habsburgs...
An united Empire who cover most of Central Europe instead will be a big difference from OTL and can likely survive (England and/or Milan can very well ended included in that Empire with time)
ITTL Spain would have one advantage over OTL-if Albert Jagiellon have sons by both Maria Manuela and Mary Tudor, Netherlands are likely going to younger son, thus Spain has no burden in Low Countries. England is closer and could manage it better). Spain over time would possibly distsnce itself from the rest of Jagiellon realms despite shared dynasty and would concentrate her energy overseas (they would still have alliances with England against France and with Austria/Hungary against Ottomans, but would be less involved in HRE affairs than IOTL).
 
Family of Sigismund the Old:

Sigismund I (1467-1548) Grand Duke of Lithuania 1506-1548, King of Poland 1507-1548 m. a) 1512 Barbara Zapolya (ca 1495-1521) b) 1523 Eleanor of Austria (1498-1558)
1a) Hedwig (1513-1573) m. 1530 Francis I King of France
2a) Anna (1515-1562) m. 1532 Joachim II Elector of Brandenburg
3a) Sigismund II (1517-1588) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1548-1588 m. Dorothea or Christina of Denmark (?) His stepmother would be propably in favour of such marriage and would like to see her niece as Queen of Poland.
4a) Elizabeth (1519-1591) m. Albert of Brandenburg-Kulmbach (who would not lose father in 1527-Casimir Hohenzollern does not need for Ferdinand's case in Hungary, and heavy intermarriage between Jagiellons and Hohenzollerns is justified-if Louis III of Hungary wants Imperial throne, it would be good for Jagiellons to have Hohenzollern support).
5a) Sophia (1521-1576) m. either her cousin Louis III of Hungary or some duke of HRE, perhaps Duke of Lorraine? She is sister of French Queen and heir of Spanish and Burgundian lands, so why not? Or Severinus of Saxony-where he would be raised after Ferdinand Habsburg dies?)
6b) Albert I (1525-1579) King of Naples 1554-1579, King of Spain 1556-1579 m. a) 1545 Maria Manuela of Portugal (1527-1551) b) 1554 Mary Tudor, Queen of England (1516-1568, let's have her living a little longer) c) possibly Hungarian cousin
1a) Charles II (born 1547) King of Spain
2a) Eleanor (born 1550) m. Duarte II of Portugal (?)*
3a) Mary (born and died 1551)
4b) Henry IX (born 1555) King of England, Duke of Burgundy

Now son of Louis II of Hungary and Mary of Austria:​
Louis III (1524-1592) King of Bohemia and Hungary 1526-1592, Archduke of Austria, Holy Roman Emperor 1556-1592 m. either Polish cousin or Hohenzollern cousin Kunigunde of Brandenburg-Kulmbach (for Hohenzollern support in Imperial election)

*Now Portugal: Charles II Jagiellon would have the best genealogical claim to the throne, but @Kellan Sullivan mentioned, that Maria Manuela renounced her rights upon marriage, thus after John III dies, he should be succeeded by his nephew Duarte of Guimarães.

 
@Jan Olbracht: About the Lajos II-Marie of Austria match, do they produce more than one kid? Cause otherwise there's gonna be a whole bunch of unwed princes running around in Europe come the 1540s-1560s (Bavaria, Cleves, etc).
And how come Sigmund Stary and Eleonore only have one kid? I interpreted this comment as suggesting there'd be more.
Who said, that Sigismund the Old would have only one son by Eleanor? If he has more sons, younger one could inherit Poland.
 
@Jan Olbracht: About the Lajos II-Marie of Austria match, do they produce more than one kid? Cause otherwise there's gonna be a whole bunch of unwed princes running around in Europe come the 1540s-1560s (Bavaria, Cleves, etc).
And how come Sigmund Stary and Eleonore only have one kid? I interpreted this comment as suggesting there'd be more.
Yes, butterflying away daughters of Ferdinand would cause problems, but...
Casimir Hohenzollern is not going to die fighting for Habsburgs in Hungary in 1527. He could have more kids with his still young Bavarian wife.
I considered more sons for Zygmunt Stary, but now, when I've butterflied away Zygmunt August, there is no need for more. ITTL son of Barbara Zapolya is not sterile.
 
Yes, butterflying away daughters of Ferdinand would cause problems, but...
Casimir Hohenzollern is not going to die fighting for Habsburgs in Hungary in 1527. He could have more kids with his still young Bavarian wife.
I considered more sons for Zygmunt Stary, but now, when I've butterflied away Zygmunt August, there is no need for more. ITTL son of Barbara Zapolya is not sterile.

Not to mention Janos Zapolya and Margarethe of Ansbach/Anna of Hungary might have kids too.
Understood about Zygmunt Augustus.
 
Family of Sigismund the Old:

Sigismund I (1467-1548) Grand Duke of Lithuania 1506-1548, King of Poland 1507-1548 m. a) 1512 Barbara Zapolya (ca 1495-1521) b) 1523 Eleanor of Austria (1498-1558)
1a) Hedwig (1513-1573) m. 1530 Francis I King of France
2a) Anna (1515-1562) m. 1532 Joachim II Elector of Brandenburg
3a) Sigismund II (1517-1588) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1548-1588 m. Dorothea or Christina of Denmark (?) His stepmother would be propably in favour of such marriage and would like to see her niece as Queen of Poland.
4a) Elizabeth (1519-1591) m. Albert of Brandenburg-Kulmbach (who would not lose father in 1527-Casimir Hohenzollern does not need for Ferdinand's case in Hungary, and heavy intermarriage between Jagiellons and Hohenzollerns is justified-if Louis III of Hungary wants Imperial throne, it would be good for Jagiellons to have Hohenzollern support).
5a) Sophia (1521-1576) m. either her cousin Louis III of Hungary or some duke of HRE, perhaps Duke of Lorraine? She is sister of French Queen and heir of Spanish and Burgundian lands, so why not? Or Severinus of Saxony-where he would be raised after Ferdinand Habsburg dies?)
6b) Albert I (1525-1579) King of Naples 1554-1579, King of Spain 1556-1579 m. a) 1545 Maria Manuela of Portugal (1527-1551) b) 1554 Mary Tudor, Queen of England (1516-1568, let's have her living a little longer) c) possibly Hungarian cousin
1a) Charles II (born 1547) King of Spain
2a) Eleanor (born 1550) m. Duarte II of Portugal (?)*
3a) Mary (born and died 1551)
4b) Henry IX (born 1555) King of England, Duke of Burgundy

Now son of Louis II of Hungary and Mary of Austria:​
Louis III (1524-1592) King of Bohemia and Hungary 1526-1592, Archduke of Austria, Holy Roman Emperor 1556-1592 m. either Polish cousin or Hohenzollern cousin Kunigunde of Brandenburg-Kulmbach (for Hohenzollern support in Imperial election)

*Now Portugal: Charles II Jagiellon would have the best genealogical claim to the throne, but @Kellan Sullivan mentioned, that Maria Manuela renounced her rights upon marriage, thus after John III dies, he should be succeeded by his nephew Duarte of Guimarães.

Maria Manuela never renounced to her rights in OTL and is unlikely she will do it here if she marry the King/heir of Spain
 
Maria Manuela never renounced to her rights in OTL and is unlikely she will do it here if she marry the King/heir of Spain
That means Charles II is getting Portuguese throne too, unless there is princess available for João Manuel (maybe daughter of Francis Valois and Hedwig Jagiellon?)
 
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