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Why would Britain have less to bargain with? It made a separate peace to Prussia in OTL. The collapse of Prussia doesn't change what happens in the West.

Britain also lost Prussia as an ally in OTL after it screwed her over for negotiating a separate peace. In this timeline, it's quite likely you get a British-Austrian alliance again.



Why not? France's problem wasn't just the deaths in the French Revolution. It was that it's population had rocketed in previous centuries and the land couldn't support many more people. They also didn't yet get the industrial surpluses to buy much food from abroad.
Hu they never seemed to have overpopulation problem etheir.
 
Another question-do we have any idea what the Austrians would have done had they won the Austro-Prussian war? Would a Hapsburg-led German empire of some kind (minus Prussia) be possible?

Also, it occurs to me that 1848 might be another good POD, if we can somehow either make Franz Joseph more liberal or have another, more liberal Hapsburg come to power.

I agree with you that 1848 is a really good place to start. Archduchess Sophie was already somewhat of a political finagler, getting her own husband (who was reportedly feeble-minded) to step down in favor of their eldest son). We just need her to get the revolutionaries to accept Franz Josef, or preferably Maximilian, who was by far much more liberal than his elder brother, to accept the imperial crown. Prussia would probably immediately declare war, and possibly some kind of alliance between Grossdeutchland and Poland can be formed under the grounds of a division of Prussia.
 
Hu they never seemed to have overpopulation problem etheir.

French demography was already heading towards a decline. The Revolution didn't really impact things. Starting in the 18th century, especially in the north, there were rudimentary forms of contraception and birth control, common people started to marry later, in their early 30s, and also would only have one or two children and no more. Sure, Napoleon's inheritance law made inheritance more egalitarian and the French were bled white because of the Napoleonic Wars... but they were also the most populous nation in Europe, behind only Russia, and were the fourth most populous nation in the entire world IIRC. While the rest of Europe had population booms in the 19th century, France had had hers a century earlier. Hence her stagnation in the 19th and 20th centuries, and her large baby boom post-1945.
 
I agree with you that 1848 is a really good place to start. Archduchess Sophie was already somewhat of a political finagler, getting her own husband (who was reportedly feeble-minded) to step down in favor of their eldest son). We just need her to get the revolutionaries to accept Franz Josef, or preferably Maximilian, who was by far much more liberal than his elder brother, to accept the imperial crown. Prussia would probably immediately declare war, and possibly some kind of alliance between Grossdeutchland and Poland can be formed under the grounds of a division of Prussia.
The reason i did'nt take my POD into the 19th century is becuase i thought that it was the 7 years war that tipped the balance between Austria and Prussia it showed Prussia was more than capable of defeating Austria, and after the loss of Silesia it was a major dent to the Austrian economy and that after this war it was a long downhill struggle for Austria and later Austria-Hungary, if i'm wrong please correct me.
 
The reason i did'nt take my POD into the 19th century is becuase i thought that it was the 7 years war that tipped the balance between Austria and Prussia it showed Prussia was more than capable of defeating Austria, and after the loss of Silesia it was a major dent to the Austrian economy and that after this war it was a long downhill struggle for Austria and later Austria-Hungary, if i'm wrong please correct me.

Nah, it was only the Napoleonic Wars that showed Austria was in decline. The 7YW did mean Habsburg supremacy over the HRE was dwindling.

It didn't help that Prussia got such a large reward at the Congress of Vienna (having both the Rhineland and Silesia? now that's too much).
 
It didn't help that Prussia got such a large reward at the Congress of Vienna (having both the Rhineland and Silesia? now that's too much).

Silesia had already been theirs for 70 years. They weren't "given" it at Vienna.

Regarding the Rheinprovinz (and north Saxony) that was an unavoidable consequence of the Tsar's determination to hang on to Poland. The Duchy of Warsaw had been formed from the Austrian and Prussian shares of the Polish partitions, and if they weren't to get it back then they had to be compensated. Since the South German states had all got back onto the Allied side after deserting Napoleon in good time, that effectively meant North Italy for Austria and North Germany for Prussia. I suppose the details could have been different, but the broad outline would have been hard to change.
 
Silesia had already been theirs for 70 years. They weren't "given" it at Vienna.

Regarding the Rheinprovinz (and north Saxony) that was an unavoidable consequence of the Tsar's determination to hang on to Poland. The Duchy of Warsaw had been formed from the Austrian and Prussian shares of the Polish partitions, and if they weren't to get it back then they had to be compensated. Since the South German states had all got back onto the Allied side after deserting Napoleon in good time, that effectively meant North Italy for Austria and North Germany for Prussia. I suppose the details could have been different, but the broad outline would have been hard to change.

I know. I was just pointing out that controlling both Silesia and the Rhineland proved to be very good for Prussia.
 
Prussian-rued Germany never included Austrian lands, so, one assumes, the opposite could be true with Austrian "dominated" Germany. THen again, such a state might exclude far too many Germans to really call itself German.
 

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Prussian-rued Germany never included Austrian lands, so, one assumes, the opposite could be true with Austrian "dominated" Germany. THen again, such a state might exclude far too many Germans to really call itself German.

Austria would take Silesia back for sure, and likely take the largely Catholic Prussian Rhineland. I dont think Hannover has been added to Prussia at this point, but if it was it would be liberated and made into an Austrian puppet. Another potential puppet is Posen with its high number of poles.

At an extreme, I think all of Prussia minus East Prussia, West Prussia and Posen could be obtained.
 
Austria would take Silesia back for sure, and likely take the largely Catholic Prussian Rhineland. I dont think Hannover has been added to Prussia at this point, but if it was it would be liberated and made into an Austrian puppet. Another potential puppet is Posen with its high number of poles.

At an extreme, I think all of Prussia minus East Prussia, West Prussia and Posen could be obtained.

Brandenburg is ASB, likewise for Pomerania, and Mecklenburg is borderline so.
 
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