I wonder how this passage will effect Racial relationships. Slave Revolts just took a starker turn.
Grenadye Alaso!:A Haiti TL
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Does anyone know names of major Prussian or Austrian generals in the 1820s? I am currently working on the Russian revolutionary war and seem to can't find them. Russian and French generals are easy to find but for some reason, alot of the Prussian and Austrian generals who were veterans of the Napoleonic wars died in the 1820s.
The hatred is more towards the French invader who if succeeds will likely put them back in chains. You will see in the post-war year racial relations will be much more improved because this war unites blacks and mulattoes. Also, Guerrier will be a fair leader whose policies will leave the groundwork for racial harmony albeit with an iron fist.
No I mean the effects of this passage from the book on White-Black relations: "The black soldiers told us that we were to suffer the same way blacks slaves suffered in slave ships from Africa". Assuming of course that the book is released in the Americas.
This implies a desire to not only lift the chains but also turn the tables in revenge. The fear of Slave Revolt was very real among slavers. To know that not only do you have to fear those whom you oppress rising up against you, but also wanting to do to you has you had done to them will be something.
I think you are confused. This war takes place 20 years after the Haitian revolution. This war is simply France invading Haiti to retake their lost colony and restate slavery. It is not a rebellion. There is no white slavers in the island at this time since Haiti was independent.
Ok, we're having a miscommunication. I'm simply talking about the reaction people across the americas who might happen upon that single passage to the in-story book written by that POW.
I haven't said anything about Haiti or the French Invasion. Just reactions to a book written in-verse by ATL Slavers or Europeans in general and what they might infer from it.
Also the next update will be another Haiti war update on East Haiti and we will see Solouque shine. I'm currently working out the Russian revolutionary wars and the finishing touches of the final years of the Haitian war. The coming updates will be fast moving and intense.
Madness
Sorry for the long Delay. I have been researching and writing a lot. Things are going to get interesting, to say the least. I present an another update.
Battle of Dufort
General Auguste Marmont
Faustin Solouque
1827:
January-July
"We were sent here not to win but die a cruel death. Madness this war is. Madness.”
Early 1827 was, as usual, a stalemate in the war with both sides of the island. The reinforcement of 45,000 men was a replacement force. General Perrin was making plans to make another attempt to take the inland fortress of Marchand Dessalines. The 40,000 men were led by a lesser known General Rosseau. His job was to reinforce the force fighting the investment of the Citadelle which has gone for months with no French gains. Taking the Citadelle would free up a significant amount French troops to march South to Marchand Dessalines. The hope was that taking the capital would be a major blow to the resistance that all fighters would be demoralized. Perrin was obsessed to encircle and storm the city. Then he would go to the south and reinforce Monmouth. The force under General Rosseau pacified the Nord and marched west to aid Oudinot’s men who were wreaked by both yellow fever and heavy casualties with attempts to take the Citadelle. So, for the beginning of 1827 Rosseau’s men marched east from Mole St Nicholas to pacify the entire north under French control. Mormount was holed up in Miroagoane. He turned the town into a fortress to hold off the massive black army surrounding them. However, there were French detachments in the areas surrounding Mirogoane area. Accau and General Herard came up with a strategy to isolate Mormount. Fighters in Grand Anse and Les Cayes were united into one force of 35,000. In Sud Est, there were 15,000 men on the march. The plan was to march to Jacmel then march north to Dufort and Leogane to split the French forces in two in the south. On February 18th, the two massive armies merged. The combined force of 50,000 men marched north. This was the largest army assembled in the war. On March 8th, 1827 the battle Dufort started. The French garrison in Dufort numbered 650 faced down a Haitian force of 11,000. The battle was a massacre. The Haitian army encircled the town and moved to fight the French army there. The French fighters fought bravely but were all killed. Then the march was to Leogane. The garrison of Leogane held a strong position since they had heavy artillery. The battles of Leogane in March 15th-March 18th were stalemates. The massive Haitian army had no answer to the French artillery barrages. The goal was to hold off until the 18,000 reinforcements from Mirogoane and Port Au Prince merge to Leogane. It took two more weeks of heavy fighting until the reinforcements came. The Haitian army held unto the mountains surrounding the town. The battle of Leogane in April 5th was one of the bloodiest battles of the war. 20,000 Frenchmen facing down 50,000 Haitian was the largest battle of the war. The battle lasted for the whole day from the 5th to the 6th. Mormount was killed in battle by a grapeshot to the chest. French forces held the line in the Leogane for the most of the day with a heavy artillery barrage. However, they were running low on supplies. When Mormont was killed the French, forces retreated to the beach head. They used boats to cross to Gonave Island. The Southern front was destroyed. French Losses was 2170 dead and 4,830. 7000 men lost in the battle out 20000 lost in battle. The trek to Gonave Island was a desperate trek to with men dying on the way with boats overflown. With the French defeated in the South, it was easier for Great Britain and Gran Colombia to supply Haiti with weapons. Ile la Vache was the main smuggling area for the weapons but now it will be easier to send more weapons. With the South Liberated, Accau and Herard planned to march north to attack Perrin’s rear. Upon hearing Mormount’s death and the retreat of French forces to Gonave Island Perrin went into a fury. He demanded the retreating forces in Gonave to be deployed to his positions as soon as possible. The French fighters didn’t want to fight and a mutiny almost ensued. However, the men were convinced to go reinforce Perrin’s forces at Gran Saline. There were only 11,556 men left over to reinforce Perrins 35,000 men. Perrin was now in a major conundrum his rear was exposed and French reinforcements were not coming. His staff told him that a large Haitian force was marching its way to destroy the remain French forces. Perrin needed a major victory and needed one fast. He made the final decision to make another assault for Marchand Dessalines. He figured once the city fell the govt will collapse. Then he will meet up with Oudinot and Rousseau to seize the north. Then they will merge to march south to defeat the large Haitian southern army in a major battle. Perrin was obsessed with taking the city. Guerrier heard news of the collapse and said “The taste of victory is near. The French are desperate we must continue our strategy to deliver the final blow that will shake the world.” The North was still a quagmire for French forces trying to break down the Citadelle which a nightmare to take. Ouidinot wrote to Perrin that he was going to withdraw to rest him men and figure out a strategy to take the fort. Perrin reluctantly agreed with it. He was frustrated at how the Citadelle withstood so much bombardment and power. The battle had lasted for about 11 months with no end in sight. The fortress was built to withstand multiple assaults and French losses were heavy. Oudinot secretly wrote to his wife that “Half of his fighting force was gone. They either died of yellow fever, in combat too wounded or ill to fight on. That meant from the 25,000 he initially had, he only had 13000 men left to fight. The battle for the fort proved too much for Ouidinot. He called back for men from Nord Est and Nord Ouest. Each sent 2000 men. This token force highlighted French forces being stretched thin. The reserve forces Ouidinot left in both Nor Est and Ouest were small but flexible. With their numbers small it made it hard for them to control the restive North areas. Ouidinot retreated his men to Limbe to rest and recuperate. In the Citadelle the pause helped replenish supplies that were running low. General Riche commander of the Citadelle saw the withdrawal of French forces as a victory. Many of his men wanted to give chase but he smartly said “That is what they want. They do well in open battle and destroy us. It is better to keep doing what we have done. Besides they will return.” Riche then left command of the fort to a young capable officer Fabre Geffrard. Riche went to the Nord Est to raise forces. Rousseau was in a wild goose chase trying to track down Pierrot. In the end, he marched to merge with Perrin to blunt the threat from the south. The war in the west became a stalemate and waiting game. However in the east is where major events to affect the war occurred.
“Unity or death!”
In the Spanish East there was no progress made for the French forces on Bourdosoulle. The campaign had become one disaster after another. In January of 1827, Bourdosoulle withdrew his forces from the border areas to the city of Santiago. He left a sizeable force in Dajabon to watch the border area. He ordered for the remaining forces to concentrate in the provinces of La Vega, Santiago, and Puerto Plata as these were the only provinces they had under control. His strategy as written to Perrin was “…to abandon the less useful areas. Santiago is a major city and under our control. We will build fortifications to hold on until reinforcements from France can relieve. My army has been decimated by diseases and the ambushes and fighting. We will use our strength which our artillery to destroy any enemy forces that attempt to retake the cities we took over.” Solouque used this time to gather forces across the whole island to prepare for the final stages. He called for a mobilization of all forces to prepare for the upcoming campaigns. The levee en masse swelled the forces on the east. Prior to the war, there were 15,000 Haitian soldiers with 5000 militia. Now the total forces went from 20,000 men to 70,000. Solouque had 35,000 men under his control and was readying for a bloody fight. In March 25th, 1827 a force of 6000 Spanish and French Haitian forces encircled the town of Dajabon which had 500 French soldiers inside. The battle lasted 3 days. The French defenders fought hard inflicting heavy casualties to the attackers however they ran out of ammunition and were defeated. The pitch battles in the city was described by Haitian military veteran and author Joseph Piere Alexis “The hand to hand fight was brutal. Both sides fought with rage and hatred of the other. Fist was thrown, knives, bayonet were plunged into necks and chests. Mele and bloodshed and both sides fought to the end. Dead French soldiers were decapitated as the fury of a white invader who wishes to enslave them burned in every soldier's heart including mine!” The entire French garrison in Dajabon was killed. 500 men wiped out. News of the defeat sent chills down the side of French officers. One wrote in his diary “Everyday I dread whether this will be my last time on Earth. I fear I will never see my fiancé again and die from the hands of brute or die from the yellow plague in slow painful death in this hot island.” Perrin took the news of Dajabon with indifference. He told the officers “The time is imperative now to end this war once and for all.” Although in his famous autobiography written 5 years after the war he wrote that “After the massacre of Dajabon I couldn’t sleep for days. I lost weight and looked gaunt and didn’t shave. My staff was worried that I had yellow fever but it was just dread that we will not make it out of this island alive.”
In April 19th saw the riot of Monte Cristi occurred as the cities were becoming more hostile with food and other supplies being taken by French troops. Monte Cristo had a force of 2,600 men under the command of a racist authoritarian commander names Samuel Bapitiste. The riots was met with bloodshed as he ordered his men to open fire on the rioters. 89 were killed with 200 wounded. The next day a larger riot ensued. On the outskirts Haitian forces fought a small French detachment in Villa Vasquez on April 21st. The French forces retreated to Monte Cristi as the first line of defense was crushed. By the end of the week Haitian forces reached Monte Cristi. The Haitian forces was under the command of Andre Laidan the firebrand general. He had 10,000 men under his control facing a French force of 2,900. The riot went on for days and allowed Haitian forces to reach Monte Cristi faster than the garrison expected. This allowed Haitian forces to encircle and launched attacks at various points of the town. The battle of Santana lasted 2 days. After 2 days of intense fighting and resistance, the French forces finally lost after being low in supplies. The surviving force was 800 men. They were arrested. Soluque at this same started his campaign to take Santiago. One obstacle was a fort that French forces fortified which was San Felipe Fortaleza. The Fort housed 4000 French soldiers with heavy guns too. The battle started on May 18th. The next ten days were some of the bloodiest chapters of the war. With 35,000 men facing 4,000 Frenchmen it was nearly a fiasco. Every charge the Haitian soldiers was repelled with devastating artillery bombardment. Soulouque personally led a charge nearly got killed as a grapeshot whizzed past his head. On the 9th day he went to the camp his men were. They looked tired with low morale. Losses were very heavy. Soulouque started a famous stirring speech which historians call the “Speech of Union.” He spoke interchangeably between Kreyol and Spanish. Many Unionist have pointed to the speech as the cornerstone of the new nation. It went as followed “Sons of Quisqeya stand together and stand with me. Your fathers before you fought the white Frenchman 20 years ago with vigor and strength! They gave you freedom to never face slavery. Mulatto and black were united to face white tyranny which wanted to exterminate us all. I used to fall victim of racial strife with the mulattoes but as this war shown the white race does not care if you are a black negro or a yellow or red mullatto. They want us all dead. We are in this land by destiny to shock the world to defeat one of Europe’s strongest armies. We must unite the crush the same enemy who come to our land to enslave not only us but our children and our family. We will strike with out warning and without mercy with all our power. Spanish or French we are one people. This army has shown us that through a trial of fire we can be friends. Many of you here who speak Spanish learn Kreyol many of you here who speak Kreyol learned Spanish. Now is the time to unite and send the enemy to the sea! We will The enemy sees us as mongrels and monster fit to be only be exterminated. We must fight for our lives because our own existence is at stake. Let us show the world we fear none!” Solouqe realized a full frontal assault was suicide so instead, he waited for artillery guns from other forts to reach him. He was waiting to bomb the the French into submission. His other goal was to have the French run out of munitions. Forts from neighboring Forts arrived 3 days later. During the three day pause the French commander of the Fort ordered his men to be on alert. He figured that the Haitian withdrawal was a signal that they admitted lost. Three days later artillery barrage of the fort ensued. It was an intense barrage. The French forces within the Fort were heavily weakened by the bombardment. The intense artillery barrage lasted for 3 more days. French losses in those three days were 400 killed and 100 wounded. In the end on June 5th, Solouque launched a multipronged assault with artillery support. For the whole day there was heavy fighting. French forces lost the fort after losing ammo trying to stop wave after wave of Haitian partisans. The entire garrison was massacred under the orders of Solouque. He said, “This is a war of extermination we must send a message to the world that any invasion will not be tolerated !” These event in the summer of 1827 is named by historians as Soluque’s summer offensive. Souloue paln was to liberate Puerto Plata and the provinces around Santiago. It was a plan to give the French no escape. Solouque was welcomed as a hero to every village,town or city he was in. He leanred to speak Spanish and taught his men to respect the citizens and the culture. He even took a Spanish mulatress mistress from Sosua. In June 23rd he faced another bloody battle. The city of Puerta Plate was encircled and there was a sizeable force of 2000 men. The officer in charge was against surrender. He said “They will slaughter us if we surrender. I would rather fight dying than go down like a lamb.” The battle of Puerta Plata lasted 2 days. The garrison was also massacred. Solouque was waging a war in the spirit of Dessalines. He was determined to defeat the European invaders with nay means necessary. Many Haitian officers were uncomfortable with killing men who surrendered. He would sharply bark “These white men would hang you if it was the other way around. They see us not human. Black and mulatto. Let them live in fear of what is to come.” By August 1827 the prvince of Santiago was the only province left in the Spanish side controlled by the French. Perrin was dismayed by the news coming from the East. Time was running out. If the East fell. It would Free up more Haitian soldiers to attack the west. Perrin wrote in his autobiography “It was at this time I made a descion. Either stay defensive or make a move to stop the enemy momentum and hopefully sue for peace.” Suing for peace as he knew the war was lost. However Charles X did not want to hear any of it. He wanted a victory. His racism blinded him and would not acdept that French forces lost to a ragtag guerilla force of blacks and mulattos. It is this same arrogance that would lead to the fall of Charles X the following year.
Battle of Dufort
General Auguste Marmont
Faustin Solouque
1827:
January-July
"We were sent here not to win but die a cruel death. Madness this war is. Madness.”
Early 1827 was, as usual, a stalemate in the war with both sides of the island. The reinforcement of 45,000 men was a replacement force. General Perrin was making plans to make another attempt to take the inland fortress of Marchand Dessalines. The 40,000 men were led by a lesser known General Rosseau. His job was to reinforce the force fighting the investment of the Citadelle which has gone for months with no French gains. Taking the Citadelle would free up a significant amount French troops to march South to Marchand Dessalines. The hope was that taking the capital would be a major blow to the resistance that all fighters would be demoralized. Perrin was obsessed to encircle and storm the city. Then he would go to the south and reinforce Monmouth. The force under General Rosseau pacified the Nord and marched west to aid Oudinot’s men who were wreaked by both yellow fever and heavy casualties with attempts to take the Citadelle. So, for the beginning of 1827 Rosseau’s men marched east from Mole St Nicholas to pacify the entire north under French control. Mormount was holed up in Miroagoane. He turned the town into a fortress to hold off the massive black army surrounding them. However, there were French detachments in the areas surrounding Mirogoane area. Accau and General Herard came up with a strategy to isolate Mormount. Fighters in Grand Anse and Les Cayes were united into one force of 35,000. In Sud Est, there were 15,000 men on the march. The plan was to march to Jacmel then march north to Dufort and Leogane to split the French forces in two in the south. On February 18th, the two massive armies merged. The combined force of 50,000 men marched north. This was the largest army assembled in the war. On March 8th, 1827 the battle Dufort started. The French garrison in Dufort numbered 650 faced down a Haitian force of 11,000. The battle was a massacre. The Haitian army encircled the town and moved to fight the French army there. The French fighters fought bravely but were all killed. Then the march was to Leogane. The garrison of Leogane held a strong position since they had heavy artillery. The battles of Leogane in March 15th-March 18th were stalemates. The massive Haitian army had no answer to the French artillery barrages. The goal was to hold off until the 18,000 reinforcements from Mirogoane and Port Au Prince merge to Leogane. It took two more weeks of heavy fighting until the reinforcements came. The Haitian army held unto the mountains surrounding the town. The battle of Leogane in April 5th was one of the bloodiest battles of the war. 20,000 Frenchmen facing down 50,000 Haitian was the largest battle of the war. The battle lasted for the whole day from the 5th to the 6th. Mormount was killed in battle by a grapeshot to the chest. French forces held the line in the Leogane for the most of the day with a heavy artillery barrage. However, they were running low on supplies. When Mormont was killed the French, forces retreated to the beach head. They used boats to cross to Gonave Island. The Southern front was destroyed. French Losses was 2170 dead and 4,830. 7000 men lost in the battle out 20000 lost in battle. The trek to Gonave Island was a desperate trek to with men dying on the way with boats overflown. With the French defeated in the South, it was easier for Great Britain and Gran Colombia to supply Haiti with weapons. Ile la Vache was the main smuggling area for the weapons but now it will be easier to send more weapons. With the South Liberated, Accau and Herard planned to march north to attack Perrin’s rear. Upon hearing Mormount’s death and the retreat of French forces to Gonave Island Perrin went into a fury. He demanded the retreating forces in Gonave to be deployed to his positions as soon as possible. The French fighters didn’t want to fight and a mutiny almost ensued. However, the men were convinced to go reinforce Perrin’s forces at Gran Saline. There were only 11,556 men left over to reinforce Perrins 35,000 men. Perrin was now in a major conundrum his rear was exposed and French reinforcements were not coming. His staff told him that a large Haitian force was marching its way to destroy the remain French forces. Perrin needed a major victory and needed one fast. He made the final decision to make another assault for Marchand Dessalines. He figured once the city fell the govt will collapse. Then he will meet up with Oudinot and Rousseau to seize the north. Then they will merge to march south to defeat the large Haitian southern army in a major battle. Perrin was obsessed with taking the city. Guerrier heard news of the collapse and said “The taste of victory is near. The French are desperate we must continue our strategy to deliver the final blow that will shake the world.” The North was still a quagmire for French forces trying to break down the Citadelle which a nightmare to take. Ouidinot wrote to Perrin that he was going to withdraw to rest him men and figure out a strategy to take the fort. Perrin reluctantly agreed with it. He was frustrated at how the Citadelle withstood so much bombardment and power. The battle had lasted for about 11 months with no end in sight. The fortress was built to withstand multiple assaults and French losses were heavy. Oudinot secretly wrote to his wife that “Half of his fighting force was gone. They either died of yellow fever, in combat too wounded or ill to fight on. That meant from the 25,000 he initially had, he only had 13000 men left to fight. The battle for the fort proved too much for Ouidinot. He called back for men from Nord Est and Nord Ouest. Each sent 2000 men. This token force highlighted French forces being stretched thin. The reserve forces Ouidinot left in both Nor Est and Ouest were small but flexible. With their numbers small it made it hard for them to control the restive North areas. Ouidinot retreated his men to Limbe to rest and recuperate. In the Citadelle the pause helped replenish supplies that were running low. General Riche commander of the Citadelle saw the withdrawal of French forces as a victory. Many of his men wanted to give chase but he smartly said “That is what they want. They do well in open battle and destroy us. It is better to keep doing what we have done. Besides they will return.” Riche then left command of the fort to a young capable officer Fabre Geffrard. Riche went to the Nord Est to raise forces. Rousseau was in a wild goose chase trying to track down Pierrot. In the end, he marched to merge with Perrin to blunt the threat from the south. The war in the west became a stalemate and waiting game. However in the east is where major events to affect the war occurred.
“Unity or death!”
In the Spanish East there was no progress made for the French forces on Bourdosoulle. The campaign had become one disaster after another. In January of 1827, Bourdosoulle withdrew his forces from the border areas to the city of Santiago. He left a sizeable force in Dajabon to watch the border area. He ordered for the remaining forces to concentrate in the provinces of La Vega, Santiago, and Puerto Plata as these were the only provinces they had under control. His strategy as written to Perrin was “…to abandon the less useful areas. Santiago is a major city and under our control. We will build fortifications to hold on until reinforcements from France can relieve. My army has been decimated by diseases and the ambushes and fighting. We will use our strength which our artillery to destroy any enemy forces that attempt to retake the cities we took over.” Solouque used this time to gather forces across the whole island to prepare for the final stages. He called for a mobilization of all forces to prepare for the upcoming campaigns. The levee en masse swelled the forces on the east. Prior to the war, there were 15,000 Haitian soldiers with 5000 militia. Now the total forces went from 20,000 men to 70,000. Solouque had 35,000 men under his control and was readying for a bloody fight. In March 25th, 1827 a force of 6000 Spanish and French Haitian forces encircled the town of Dajabon which had 500 French soldiers inside. The battle lasted 3 days. The French defenders fought hard inflicting heavy casualties to the attackers however they ran out of ammunition and were defeated. The pitch battles in the city was described by Haitian military veteran and author Joseph Piere Alexis “The hand to hand fight was brutal. Both sides fought with rage and hatred of the other. Fist was thrown, knives, bayonet were plunged into necks and chests. Mele and bloodshed and both sides fought to the end. Dead French soldiers were decapitated as the fury of a white invader who wishes to enslave them burned in every soldier's heart including mine!” The entire French garrison in Dajabon was killed. 500 men wiped out. News of the defeat sent chills down the side of French officers. One wrote in his diary “Everyday I dread whether this will be my last time on Earth. I fear I will never see my fiancé again and die from the hands of brute or die from the yellow plague in slow painful death in this hot island.” Perrin took the news of Dajabon with indifference. He told the officers “The time is imperative now to end this war once and for all.” Although in his famous autobiography written 5 years after the war he wrote that “After the massacre of Dajabon I couldn’t sleep for days. I lost weight and looked gaunt and didn’t shave. My staff was worried that I had yellow fever but it was just dread that we will not make it out of this island alive.”
In April 19th saw the riot of Monte Cristi occurred as the cities were becoming more hostile with food and other supplies being taken by French troops. Monte Cristo had a force of 2,600 men under the command of a racist authoritarian commander names Samuel Bapitiste. The riots was met with bloodshed as he ordered his men to open fire on the rioters. 89 were killed with 200 wounded. The next day a larger riot ensued. On the outskirts Haitian forces fought a small French detachment in Villa Vasquez on April 21st. The French forces retreated to Monte Cristi as the first line of defense was crushed. By the end of the week Haitian forces reached Monte Cristi. The Haitian forces was under the command of Andre Laidan the firebrand general. He had 10,000 men under his control facing a French force of 2,900. The riot went on for days and allowed Haitian forces to reach Monte Cristi faster than the garrison expected. This allowed Haitian forces to encircle and launched attacks at various points of the town. The battle of Santana lasted 2 days. After 2 days of intense fighting and resistance, the French forces finally lost after being low in supplies. The surviving force was 800 men. They were arrested. Soluque at this same started his campaign to take Santiago. One obstacle was a fort that French forces fortified which was San Felipe Fortaleza. The Fort housed 4000 French soldiers with heavy guns too. The battle started on May 18th. The next ten days were some of the bloodiest chapters of the war. With 35,000 men facing 4,000 Frenchmen it was nearly a fiasco. Every charge the Haitian soldiers was repelled with devastating artillery bombardment. Soulouque personally led a charge nearly got killed as a grapeshot whizzed past his head. On the 9th day he went to the camp his men were. They looked tired with low morale. Losses were very heavy. Soulouque started a famous stirring speech which historians call the “Speech of Union.” He spoke interchangeably between Kreyol and Spanish. Many Unionist have pointed to the speech as the cornerstone of the new nation. It went as followed “Sons of Quisqeya stand together and stand with me. Your fathers before you fought the white Frenchman 20 years ago with vigor and strength! They gave you freedom to never face slavery. Mulatto and black were united to face white tyranny which wanted to exterminate us all. I used to fall victim of racial strife with the mulattoes but as this war shown the white race does not care if you are a black negro or a yellow or red mullatto. They want us all dead. We are in this land by destiny to shock the world to defeat one of Europe’s strongest armies. We must unite the crush the same enemy who come to our land to enslave not only us but our children and our family. We will strike with out warning and without mercy with all our power. Spanish or French we are one people. This army has shown us that through a trial of fire we can be friends. Many of you here who speak Spanish learn Kreyol many of you here who speak Kreyol learned Spanish. Now is the time to unite and send the enemy to the sea! We will The enemy sees us as mongrels and monster fit to be only be exterminated. We must fight for our lives because our own existence is at stake. Let us show the world we fear none!” Solouqe realized a full frontal assault was suicide so instead, he waited for artillery guns from other forts to reach him. He was waiting to bomb the the French into submission. His other goal was to have the French run out of munitions. Forts from neighboring Forts arrived 3 days later. During the three day pause the French commander of the Fort ordered his men to be on alert. He figured that the Haitian withdrawal was a signal that they admitted lost. Three days later artillery barrage of the fort ensued. It was an intense barrage. The French forces within the Fort were heavily weakened by the bombardment. The intense artillery barrage lasted for 3 more days. French losses in those three days were 400 killed and 100 wounded. In the end on June 5th, Solouque launched a multipronged assault with artillery support. For the whole day there was heavy fighting. French forces lost the fort after losing ammo trying to stop wave after wave of Haitian partisans. The entire garrison was massacred under the orders of Solouque. He said, “This is a war of extermination we must send a message to the world that any invasion will not be tolerated !” These event in the summer of 1827 is named by historians as Soluque’s summer offensive. Souloue paln was to liberate Puerto Plata and the provinces around Santiago. It was a plan to give the French no escape. Solouque was welcomed as a hero to every village,town or city he was in. He leanred to speak Spanish and taught his men to respect the citizens and the culture. He even took a Spanish mulatress mistress from Sosua. In June 23rd he faced another bloody battle. The city of Puerta Plate was encircled and there was a sizeable force of 2000 men. The officer in charge was against surrender. He said “They will slaughter us if we surrender. I would rather fight dying than go down like a lamb.” The battle of Puerta Plata lasted 2 days. The garrison was also massacred. Solouque was waging a war in the spirit of Dessalines. He was determined to defeat the European invaders with nay means necessary. Many Haitian officers were uncomfortable with killing men who surrendered. He would sharply bark “These white men would hang you if it was the other way around. They see us not human. Black and mulatto. Let them live in fear of what is to come.” By August 1827 the prvince of Santiago was the only province left in the Spanish side controlled by the French. Perrin was dismayed by the news coming from the East. Time was running out. If the East fell. It would Free up more Haitian soldiers to attack the west. Perrin wrote in his autobiography “It was at this time I made a descion. Either stay defensive or make a move to stop the enemy momentum and hopefully sue for peace.” Suing for peace as he knew the war was lost. However Charles X did not want to hear any of it. He wanted a victory. His racism blinded him and would not acdept that French forces lost to a ragtag guerilla force of blacks and mulattos. It is this same arrogance that would lead to the fall of Charles X the following year.
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Russian Revolutionary War 1826-1827
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Sea Battle at Crimea
Battle of Varna
Spark: The December of 1825 brought about the Decembersit revolt which was started by Russian officers. It overthrew the Russian monarchy and established a Republic with no written constitution. Europe’s response was of course. The Concert of Europe sprung into action to mobilize a massive invading army to aid counter revolutionary forces in Russia and the Tsar back into power. What began was a time of turmoil that would shape world history.
Opposing Forces: The Concert assembled a massive invading force. Every member was to commit troops. Prussia and the Austrian Empire provided much of the force. Both gave 250,000 men (500,000) The Russian counter revolutionary White Legion (75,000), French Imperial forces (150,000), German Confederation (60,000) and Italian states (50,000), Ottoman forces(40,000) The combined 875,000 force was assembled with the goal of overthrowing the revolutionary government and establishing the Russian monarchy. Britain didn’t get involved in the war but was watching the war very closely. The British figured that this massive coalition would be strong enough to defeat the Russian revolutionary government. The Russian counter revolutionary forces were led by Micheal Pavolich son of Nicholas 1. The general of the French forces was Louis Antoine son of Charles X. Prussian forces were led by Prince Augustus. Austrian forces were led by Ferdinand Karl Joseph of Austria Este. The Russian Republican Army before the war was 350,000 men but the revolutionary government called for a levee en masse of able bodied men to join the military. The Russian military swelled to 2 million men. The military was in bad shape since the officer class was divided. Some defected to the royalist White Legion. The Polish army was only 140,000 strong led by the brave Jan Zygmunt Skrzynecki.
Opening Strategies: The Concert of Europe’s main strategy was to bring down the revolutionary government and install Micheal Pavolich as Czar. To get that the military planners agreed invading Russia would be a massive undertaking. So the plan was to engage Russia on multiple fronts. This is why the Ottoman Empire was brought to join the coalition. Britain was given an invitation. However the British wanted to only engage in the naval aspect of the war.
The Concert of Europe declared war against Russia and agreed to aid Russian counter revolutionary forces led by the Micheal Pavolich the son of Tsar Paul 1. The monarchist army was called the White Eagle Legion. The army was to be mobilized by April. The planning of the war was to attack Polish Russia, a token Ottoman force of 40,000 along with Austrian force of 175,000 would attack Bessarabia. The strategy was to overwhelm Russian revolutionary forces in multiple fronts. The Prussian strategy was to open two fronts in the Baltic and Polish territories. Austria Hungary would push into Ukraine to spread their lines. The goal is to retake St. Petersburg and Moscow by the end of the year.
Russian military strategy was to push mobilize the population for war. A people’s war was the strategy to defeat the invading forces. A levee en masse was announced and swelled Russian army numbers from 300,000 to 2.4 million men under arms. The idea was to engage the invading forces and lure them deep into Russian territory. Cossacks would use guerilla tactics to attack enemy supply lines and camps. Russian military planners figured if they can bog down the Coalition forces by winter it will mean success. Once winter comes around there would 800,000 freshly trained Russian men to launch a counterattack. Russian revolutionary leaders like Pestel believed that to make sure another invasion never happened again that the counterattack should go far beyond Russia. That mean Austria and Prussia Poland and the Balkans. In the Caucus front, Pestel had an idea in place already. He wanted Russia to ally with the Qajar Persian Dynasty. The idea was that since the Ottomans would be overstretched a Russo-Persian force would be enough to deliver a devastating blow to the Ottomans and take them out the war or better collapse the Empire. However to bring the Persians to the Russian side sacrifices were to be made. That meant territory had to be sacrificed. Also aiding Polish rebels would give Russia another ally to help in this war effort. The Coalition may try to open as many fronts as possible but Russia had time on its side. Coalition military planners wanted to end the war before winter. Many great Russian generals fought on the side of the royalist for example General Voronstov, Von Diebitsch. However many generals were sympathetic to the revolutionary cause such as Ivan Paskevich who disgusted that royalist would ally with foreigners to invade mother Russia as puppets and not listen to the people. General Yermolov also pro revolutionary. He was exiled by Paul I a decade ago in the 1790s. That left a bitter taste in his mouth.
The war is remembered to have started in Russia but spread to the Balkans, Anatolia, and the Caucasus region. It led to end of one Empire. Led to three nations to overthrow their monarchs and establish a Republic. And led to the rise of two empires.
To Be Continued..........................
Battle of Erzurum
Battle of Lvov
Battle of Niemans River
Sea Battle at Crimea
Battle of Varna
Spark: The December of 1825 brought about the Decembersit revolt which was started by Russian officers. It overthrew the Russian monarchy and established a Republic with no written constitution. Europe’s response was of course. The Concert of Europe sprung into action to mobilize a massive invading army to aid counter revolutionary forces in Russia and the Tsar back into power. What began was a time of turmoil that would shape world history.
Opposing Forces: The Concert assembled a massive invading force. Every member was to commit troops. Prussia and the Austrian Empire provided much of the force. Both gave 250,000 men (500,000) The Russian counter revolutionary White Legion (75,000), French Imperial forces (150,000), German Confederation (60,000) and Italian states (50,000), Ottoman forces(40,000) The combined 875,000 force was assembled with the goal of overthrowing the revolutionary government and establishing the Russian monarchy. Britain didn’t get involved in the war but was watching the war very closely. The British figured that this massive coalition would be strong enough to defeat the Russian revolutionary government. The Russian counter revolutionary forces were led by Micheal Pavolich son of Nicholas 1. The general of the French forces was Louis Antoine son of Charles X. Prussian forces were led by Prince Augustus. Austrian forces were led by Ferdinand Karl Joseph of Austria Este. The Russian Republican Army before the war was 350,000 men but the revolutionary government called for a levee en masse of able bodied men to join the military. The Russian military swelled to 2 million men. The military was in bad shape since the officer class was divided. Some defected to the royalist White Legion. The Polish army was only 140,000 strong led by the brave Jan Zygmunt Skrzynecki.
Opening Strategies: The Concert of Europe’s main strategy was to bring down the revolutionary government and install Micheal Pavolich as Czar. To get that the military planners agreed invading Russia would be a massive undertaking. So the plan was to engage Russia on multiple fronts. This is why the Ottoman Empire was brought to join the coalition. Britain was given an invitation. However the British wanted to only engage in the naval aspect of the war.
The Concert of Europe declared war against Russia and agreed to aid Russian counter revolutionary forces led by the Micheal Pavolich the son of Tsar Paul 1. The monarchist army was called the White Eagle Legion. The army was to be mobilized by April. The planning of the war was to attack Polish Russia, a token Ottoman force of 40,000 along with Austrian force of 175,000 would attack Bessarabia. The strategy was to overwhelm Russian revolutionary forces in multiple fronts. The Prussian strategy was to open two fronts in the Baltic and Polish territories. Austria Hungary would push into Ukraine to spread their lines. The goal is to retake St. Petersburg and Moscow by the end of the year.
Russian military strategy was to push mobilize the population for war. A people’s war was the strategy to defeat the invading forces. A levee en masse was announced and swelled Russian army numbers from 300,000 to 2.4 million men under arms. The idea was to engage the invading forces and lure them deep into Russian territory. Cossacks would use guerilla tactics to attack enemy supply lines and camps. Russian military planners figured if they can bog down the Coalition forces by winter it will mean success. Once winter comes around there would 800,000 freshly trained Russian men to launch a counterattack. Russian revolutionary leaders like Pestel believed that to make sure another invasion never happened again that the counterattack should go far beyond Russia. That mean Austria and Prussia Poland and the Balkans. In the Caucus front, Pestel had an idea in place already. He wanted Russia to ally with the Qajar Persian Dynasty. The idea was that since the Ottomans would be overstretched a Russo-Persian force would be enough to deliver a devastating blow to the Ottomans and take them out the war or better collapse the Empire. However to bring the Persians to the Russian side sacrifices were to be made. That meant territory had to be sacrificed. Also aiding Polish rebels would give Russia another ally to help in this war effort. The Coalition may try to open as many fronts as possible but Russia had time on its side. Coalition military planners wanted to end the war before winter. Many great Russian generals fought on the side of the royalist for example General Voronstov, Von Diebitsch. However many generals were sympathetic to the revolutionary cause such as Ivan Paskevich who disgusted that royalist would ally with foreigners to invade mother Russia as puppets and not listen to the people. General Yermolov also pro revolutionary. He was exiled by Paul I a decade ago in the 1790s. That left a bitter taste in his mouth.
The war is remembered to have started in Russia but spread to the Balkans, Anatolia, and the Caucasus region. It led to end of one Empire. Led to three nations to overthrow their monarchs and establish a Republic. And led to the rise of two empires.
To Be Continued..........................
So the next three post will be on the Russian revolutionary War up until the summer of 1827 which is where we left off in Haiti. I have already written the entire war and just finishing up the peace terms and what not. After that I will finish up with the war in Haiti then we will go to the post war years which will be very interesting to say the least. Comments and questions and input is all welcomed. The next update is coming soon. 
It really is. There is very few Decemberist TL here which is strange because this would be a massive far reaching POD. In my TL Russia will be a republic however there will hiccups like strongman and the sort. However Russian democracy will thrive but it will be very different from Western democracy. Stay tuned.
Nice to see at least some universe where Russian democracy actually is a thing and it doesn't fall under despotic strongman.It really is. There is very few Decemberist TL here which is strange because this would be a massive far reaching POD. In my TL Russia will be a republic however there will hiccups like strongman and the sort. However Russian democracy will thrive but it will be very different from Western democracy. Stay tuned.
Yes it will be. However do not expect the Russian Revolution to end up like the American one. It will be sort of like the French Revolution. There will be strongmen dictators however it will be on the confines of a new Constitution. However long term Russian democracy will be a long and tried tradition. In other words in this TL modern Russian democracy will be akin to Scandinavia.
Russian Revolutionary War 1826-1827 Part 1: False Hope and Beginnings
Russian Revolutionary War 1826-1827
Part 1:
False Hope and Beginnings
Prince Augustus of Prussia Supreme Commander of Coalition forces
Czar Micheal Pavlovich commander of royalist forces
Louis Antoine of France, Duke of Angoulême commander of French forces
Aleksey Petrovich Yermolov commander of Russian forces in the Western front
Ivan Fyodorovich Paskevich commander of Russian forces in the Caucasus and Anatolia.
Valerian Madatov commander of Russian forces in Caucasus and Anatolia
Georgi Emmanuel commander of Russian forces in Ukraine
Jan Zygmunt Skrzynecki commander in chief of Polish forces and partisans.
Fall of Warsaw: Russia had a small garrison force in Poland of 40,000 to aid the 100,000 strong Polish army. This army were no match for Europe's elite. In every battle, they were brutally beaten. The battle of Lodz was devastating and opened the road to Warsaw. After the Polish army dissolved into a guerilla militia whose aim was to attack Coalition logistics into Russia. Prussia’s occupation of Poland was brutal and led to resentment and resistance. Jan Skrzynecki fought bravely against the coalition forces but his men were ill prepared for the European assault. He then ordered what was left of polish forces to fight a guerilla war against the "cursed barbaric occupiers of Polish land." The battle of Warsaw basically saw the end of the Polish army as an effective fighting force...for now.
Battle of Warsaw
Battle of Nemens River. The two armies first clashed at the Niemens river. The first battle of the war was an inconclusive draw. General Yermolov was given command of the western front. The Russian force of 90,000 met the combined force of French/Prussian/Royalist out the banks of the Niemens river near the city of Kovno. The battle was inconclusive for the simple fact that there was mass confusion in the coaliton camp. Coalition losses were 5000 dead and 11,000 wounded. Russian losses were 4000 and 6000 wounded. French forces were lost after repelling an intense ambush. Prussian forces led by Prince Augustus in confusion retreated thinking the French forces were defeated. On April 23 the second battle of Nemans was started and this time Coalition forces were victorious. Yermolov withdrew to Vilnius. To prepare defenses for a tough fight.
Battle of Niemans River.
Battle of Vilnius: On May 4th Yermolov stocked the city with artillery. The battle of Vilnius was almost a Russian victory. Russian artillery bombarded the Coalition forces. Coalition forces attempted to storm the city at least 4 times each time being repelled. However, Coalition numerical superiority aided the day. Prussian and Royalist troops encircled the city. Then stormed it. Russian forces surrounded fought their way out of the city. Much of the city was devastated by the bloody fighting. Yermolov motivated his men to fight their way out. So the Russian forces attacked the Royalist and broke their lines to create an opening where they could retreat., Coalition losses were 7000 dead and 15000 wounded. Meanwhile, Russian losses were 10,000 dead and 18,000 wounded. Yermolov moved his headquarters to Smolensk. Austrian forces made moves in the province of Belarus. Prussian war planners changed strategy. Prussian officers along with French officers figured that it would be easier to take the Baltic provinces. They wanted to seize the Baltic provinces then move to the hinterland to St Petersburg then Moscow. The idea was to push as many lines as possible to capture Moscow. They believed this would spread Russian forces. The idea of starting a massive front line to overstretch Russian forces and force them to collapse. Plan sounded good on paper but to apply it proved very difficult.
Battle of Vilinius
Invasion of Bessarabia: Ottoman and Austrian forces marched into Bessarabia in May 1826. The province fell relatively easy. Took 3 weeks for the entire province to fall. The Russian force there was a token force. After that, the next move was into Ukraine. Austrian commander Karl Joseph reportedly arrogantly said: "If the Russians fight like this the war will be over by summer's end. Ukraine is all flat land for the most part." However, Ukraine was home to the radical Pestels faction in the Decemberist revolt. It was of anti Coalition. They despised the royalist coalition and was eager to fight. invasion of Ukraine would be bloody and difficult because of its size and that there was 200,000 Russian soldiers plus a massive reserve base ready for war. Russian-Serbian General Georgi Emmanuel was given command of Ukraine. He had ambitious goals for not only defending Ukraine. He wrote in his journal at the time "After Ukraine, I will move to liberate the Balkans. Christians under the control of barbaric Muslims. What a blasphemy!"
Persia enters the War. Pestel believed to defeat the coalition Russia needed some help. And he wanted to knock out the weakest member of the coalition which was the declining Ottoman Empire. To do so he called upon its arch nemesis Qajar Persia. Pestel sent diplomats to offer a proposal to the Persian. Russia was willing to renegotiate the Treaty of Gulitstan. Plus aid Persian military reform and moderation in exchange for opening a front against the Ottomans. Russia would aid the invasion with 100,000 men. The negations started in summer 1826 and finished in the fall. Many Russian hardliners were enraged with this offer. However, Pestel promises them that the war will not end pushing the invaders out. Russia would move into the Balkans to aid their Slavic brothers and finally take over the Dardanelles. Now, this was a far fetched idea since now. Russia is in total retreat. Ivan Paskevich met with Abbas Mirza to discuss terms. This started the close Russo-Persian alliance which dominated the region even unto this day.
Ivan Paskevich and Abbas Mirza meeting to renegotiate the treaty of Gulistan in Baku.
Part 1:
False Hope and Beginnings
Prince Augustus of Prussia Supreme Commander of Coalition forces
Czar Micheal Pavlovich commander of royalist forces
Louis Antoine of France, Duke of Angoulême commander of French forces
Aleksey Petrovich Yermolov commander of Russian forces in the Western front
Ivan Fyodorovich Paskevich commander of Russian forces in the Caucasus and Anatolia.
Valerian Madatov commander of Russian forces in Caucasus and Anatolia
Georgi Emmanuel commander of Russian forces in Ukraine
Jan Zygmunt Skrzynecki commander in chief of Polish forces and partisans.
Fall of Warsaw: Russia had a small garrison force in Poland of 40,000 to aid the 100,000 strong Polish army. This army were no match for Europe's elite. In every battle, they were brutally beaten. The battle of Lodz was devastating and opened the road to Warsaw. After the Polish army dissolved into a guerilla militia whose aim was to attack Coalition logistics into Russia. Prussia’s occupation of Poland was brutal and led to resentment and resistance. Jan Skrzynecki fought bravely against the coalition forces but his men were ill prepared for the European assault. He then ordered what was left of polish forces to fight a guerilla war against the "cursed barbaric occupiers of Polish land." The battle of Warsaw basically saw the end of the Polish army as an effective fighting force...for now.
Battle of Warsaw
Battle of Nemens River. The two armies first clashed at the Niemens river. The first battle of the war was an inconclusive draw. General Yermolov was given command of the western front. The Russian force of 90,000 met the combined force of French/Prussian/Royalist out the banks of the Niemens river near the city of Kovno. The battle was inconclusive for the simple fact that there was mass confusion in the coaliton camp. Coalition losses were 5000 dead and 11,000 wounded. Russian losses were 4000 and 6000 wounded. French forces were lost after repelling an intense ambush. Prussian forces led by Prince Augustus in confusion retreated thinking the French forces were defeated. On April 23 the second battle of Nemans was started and this time Coalition forces were victorious. Yermolov withdrew to Vilnius. To prepare defenses for a tough fight.
Battle of Niemans River.
Battle of Vilnius: On May 4th Yermolov stocked the city with artillery. The battle of Vilnius was almost a Russian victory. Russian artillery bombarded the Coalition forces. Coalition forces attempted to storm the city at least 4 times each time being repelled. However, Coalition numerical superiority aided the day. Prussian and Royalist troops encircled the city. Then stormed it. Russian forces surrounded fought their way out of the city. Much of the city was devastated by the bloody fighting. Yermolov motivated his men to fight their way out. So the Russian forces attacked the Royalist and broke their lines to create an opening where they could retreat., Coalition losses were 7000 dead and 15000 wounded. Meanwhile, Russian losses were 10,000 dead and 18,000 wounded. Yermolov moved his headquarters to Smolensk. Austrian forces made moves in the province of Belarus. Prussian war planners changed strategy. Prussian officers along with French officers figured that it would be easier to take the Baltic provinces. They wanted to seize the Baltic provinces then move to the hinterland to St Petersburg then Moscow. The idea was to push as many lines as possible to capture Moscow. They believed this would spread Russian forces. The idea of starting a massive front line to overstretch Russian forces and force them to collapse. Plan sounded good on paper but to apply it proved very difficult.
Battle of Vilinius
Invasion of Bessarabia: Ottoman and Austrian forces marched into Bessarabia in May 1826. The province fell relatively easy. Took 3 weeks for the entire province to fall. The Russian force there was a token force. After that, the next move was into Ukraine. Austrian commander Karl Joseph reportedly arrogantly said: "If the Russians fight like this the war will be over by summer's end. Ukraine is all flat land for the most part." However, Ukraine was home to the radical Pestels faction in the Decemberist revolt. It was of anti Coalition. They despised the royalist coalition and was eager to fight. invasion of Ukraine would be bloody and difficult because of its size and that there was 200,000 Russian soldiers plus a massive reserve base ready for war. Russian-Serbian General Georgi Emmanuel was given command of Ukraine. He had ambitious goals for not only defending Ukraine. He wrote in his journal at the time "After Ukraine, I will move to liberate the Balkans. Christians under the control of barbaric Muslims. What a blasphemy!"
Persia enters the War. Pestel believed to defeat the coalition Russia needed some help. And he wanted to knock out the weakest member of the coalition which was the declining Ottoman Empire. To do so he called upon its arch nemesis Qajar Persia. Pestel sent diplomats to offer a proposal to the Persian. Russia was willing to renegotiate the Treaty of Gulitstan. Plus aid Persian military reform and moderation in exchange for opening a front against the Ottomans. Russia would aid the invasion with 100,000 men. The negations started in summer 1826 and finished in the fall. Many Russian hardliners were enraged with this offer. However, Pestel promises them that the war will not end pushing the invaders out. Russia would move into the Balkans to aid their Slavic brothers and finally take over the Dardanelles. Now, this was a far fetched idea since now. Russia is in total retreat. Ivan Paskevich met with Abbas Mirza to discuss terms. This started the close Russo-Persian alliance which dominated the region even unto this day.
Ivan Paskevich and Abbas Mirza meeting to renegotiate the treaty of Gulistan in Baku.
Interesting with the Ottoman front, I could see Egypt joining the Persian Russian alliance. It would be pretty interesting if Turkey lose all its Asian territories outside the Anatolian peninsula. Beside that I can see Russia winning, but I can't see them keeping their 1815 borders. I also think Sweden are likely to join the conflict to regain Finland and maybe even taking their old Baltic territories minus St. Petersburg/Ingria. You could pretty much have a second rise of Sweden.
Another interesting point about Egypt is that I butterflied the French invasion of Algeria. This will intrigue Muhammad Ali. I have plans for Egypt as well. With Sweden they are watching and waiting. The next update will address Sweden. King John of Sweden initially is not thrilled with siding with the Concert of Europe however he will see an opportunity. This war will have long term effects in Europe and the Middle East.
Another thing as well is I doubt Great Britain will sit down and watch the Ottoman Empire crash into flames in the face of a Russian-Persian alliance.
Yes it's one of the few times I have seen a opportunity for Sweden to rise again, so I hope you go that way. While such a Sweden won't be the equal of Prussia, France if Austria, it would still be a important actor in Europe. Which would be part of shy anti-Russian alliance.
Maybe but by then Europe are in the middle if a massive clusterfuck, what can UK really do, also I suspect Russian will have limited gain, if not outright losses (they're giving Azerbaijan to the Persians, correct? In which case I suspect the Pesians also want a Armenian and Georgian buffer states against Russia and the rump Ottomans). It seem more of a Egyptian-Persian coalition beating the Ottomans, while the Russans send money, and I imagine the Ottomans will also have to deal with Armenian and Greek uprising at the same time. So UK can choose to join a alliance of absolute regimes against a weaken Russia, or they can just let two Muslim states split up the Arabic and Kurdish parts if the Ottoman Empire, a Ottoman Empire, which de facto have joined the Abolute Regime alliance. Much of the British objection to Egypt taking Syria in OTL was that Egypt was seen as a French client and fear to weird the Ottomans against Russia. If the Russians are pushed back in the Caucass and the Ottomans replaced on the border by a stronger Persia, I could see the Zbritish letting the Ottomans fail.