Green Dawn

Blair152

Banned
I heard on the news this morning that Iran could have a nuclear missile by
2015. (Five years from now). What if there was a Green Dawn? What if Iran,
after launching a decapitating first strike, invaded the United States? Does this sound plausible or not?
 
If Iran can develop a working ICBM, and that is a big if as it is more difficult than building the SRBMs and IRBMs they already have, then they might be able to launch a strike against the CONUS. I doubt that they would have the capability to do more than target cities, which would leave American command facilities, bomber bases and missile silos intact.

Iran invading America is Alien Space Bats and is utterly implausible.

If Iran were crazy enough to launch some form of nuclear strike against the US then they most likely outcome is that Iran is turned into radioactive glass.
 
Not at all. one nuke mortally wounds the whole ability of the united states to wage war? What blue water navy would Iran use? What modern air force?
 

nbcman

Donor
Plus the Iranians would be attacking a NATO member so the Iranians would have to deal with more than just the US forces.

This would be an epic curbstomp of the Iranians. The Iranians are not crazy enough to try to attack the US since the Iranians know that they would be annihilated if they were to try it.

Edit: I guess the Revolutionary Army can invade using supertankers since the Iranians have NO means of invading the Western Hemisphere.
 

Blair152

Banned
If Iran can develop a working ICBM, and that is a big if as it is more difficult than building the SRBMs and IRBMs they already have, then they might be able to launch a strike against the CONUS. I doubt that they would have the capability to do more than target cities, which would leave American command facilities, bomber bases and missile silos intact.

Iran invading America is Alien Space Bats and is utterly implausible.

If Iran were crazy enough to launch some form of nuclear strike against the US then they most likely outcome is that Iran is turned into radioactive glass.
All right. The second part was all I wanted to know. As for the first part, Iran is definitely working on an ICBM that would be ready by 2015. I think, the United States, if attacked by Iran, would turn Tehran into a radioactive crater.
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Building an ICBM is not an easy matter. Only a few countries have had the resources to manage it.
It may be possible for Iran to develop and deploy a small number of ICBMs by 2015, whether they'll work when the blue touch paper is deployed is another matter. A small number of missiles would also be vulnerable to the sort of limited ABM system the current US Administration is promising to build.
TBH I have my doubt that either will happen.
 
I heard on the news this morning that Iran could have a nuclear missile by
2015. (Five years from now). What if there was a Green Dawn? What if Iran,
after launching a decapitating first strike, invaded the United States? Does this sound plausible or not?

First off, no offense, but this is complete and utter ASB. What do you mean by a so-called first strike? Nuclear? Conventional? Against U.S. military or civilian assets OCONUS or CONUS? Again this is complete and utter ASB, but let's entertain the thought. Let's say, the Iranians gain a nuclear warhead by the mid 2010s; remember that people were saying that they were able to gain a nuclear warhead by the end of the 2000s and we all know how that turned out. But, let's say the Iranians gain a nuclear warhead, either developed by themselves or obtained from another country or organization. Now we have to discuss the means of which the Iranians have of delivering the aforementioned nuclear warhead.

* You mention an ICBM. Well maybe, but probably not. Remember that Iran is not a superpower. Even if the Iranians obtain an ICBM, the U.S. and its allies will detect the launch and a one-sided MAD will follow.

* The most plausible way in my opinion, that Iran has of delivering a nuclear weapon is via an attack from within the United States, such as a SADM.

* The other way is via a missile launcher OCONUS, but close to the U.S. borders, such as firing the warhead on a short-range missile from a missile launcher inside a civilian container ship within the territorial waters or in international waters.

Both means could possibly provide plausible deniability for the Iranians. However, U.S. or allied intelligence sources will sure and probably will obtain information implicating the Iranians. One cannot pull of an attack of this scale and not leave behind a trace of incriminating information.
 
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Iran can barely contain a democratic uprising against it's theocratic regime. I seriously doubt it would be able to even begin to defeat and occupy the world's sole superpower.
 
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You're kidding? Let's see...all the 'layers' the Iranians have to get through.

First layer: USAF Strategic Air Command. Second largest stockpile of nuclear weapons in the world, capable of delivery across the globe on 24 hour notice via strategic bomber or ICBM.

Second layer: USN Second, Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Fleets. A total of five CVNs which, along with escorts, outweigh the Royal Navy, Marine Nationale, VMF, and PLAN combined.

Third layer: USAF Tactical Air Command. Top of the line aircraft, top of the line pilots. Also, only 5th generation fighter currently in service.

Fourth layer: US Army and US Marine Corps. Big. Fucking. Bad. Toys.

Fifth layer: Militia, local police, and Redneck Joe. At this point, it's not even funny.
 
I think it would make more sense (ignoring ASBism) after the US is in a panic to attack an American satellite in the region. Of course they would have NATO and everyone else moving in on them shortly after blast. Perhaps radicalism against Muslims in US temporally afterwords (not permanent think like Japanese after Pearl Harbor)?
 
I am going to make this as "plausible" as I can, despite being implausible. This is under the assumption that Iran is able to produce nuclear weapons by 2012.


From 2012-2014, a steady stream of members of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps are deployed to the United States in preperation for a massive guerilla campaign (no more than 30,000). A Qaeem-Class submarine succeeds in getting past the Coast Guard and drops off three nuclear weapons on the coast of North Carolina. They are then put within trucks and driven to designated locations; two within Washington D.C., and the other in New York City in Southern Manhatten. When detonated, the leadership in Washington is eliminated, and New York is in chaos. The sleeper cells are then activated and proceed to cause as much chaos as possible and aim to prevent any level of stability from being attained.


There is NO WAY Iran could possibly occupy the United States. Instead, its goal would be for the United States to pull its forces out of the Middle East, and to end their aid to its allies (like Israel).
 
Ahh, yes. The invasion part of it.

Nope, even ignoring ASB, it is completely implausible.

Lack of manpower, power projection and resources to occupy a nation that large. Even if Iran suceeded in landing military assets on U.S. soil, they wouldn't last very long, due to the counterattack from U.S. forces, not to mention allied forces.

The nuclear attack, while fairly ASB, is way more plausible than the invasion scenario.
 
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altamiro

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And while Iranian army is occupied occupying USA, Liechtenstein declares war, invades and takes over Iran.

Just as plausible...
 
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