Greece rejects Allies help

What if the Greek government in world war two refused to allow any form of British military on Greek soil even after the attempted Italian invasion? So if no RAF or army units are sent to Greece, will Hitler still invade Greece? If not will the Greeks be able to capture all of Albania? Will the British be able to defeat the Italians decisively in North Africa in 1941? What are the overall implications on the War?

Well 'Pat' Pattle doesn't get shot down over Athens, but instead builds up his score in North Africa. Will he go to Malta to aid its defense, or get transferred to East!?
 
3. The British kick Italian butt in N. Africa and sweep Axis off N. Africa by the beginning of 1942. No Rommel in N. Africa.
Major butterflies from this:
a) The Allies safeguard Malta easier and faster than in OTL.
b) The Allies can theoretically invade Sicily sooner, lack the logistics and manpower though, thus it still does not happen until late 1942 (?).
c) The Germans have more forces to deploy in the East. More Luftwaffe units available, a couple of more divisions and most importantly a lot more trucks. This final point may have a tremendous effect in the Ukraine in 1942, with the Germans managing to move even faster and perhaps annihilate more Soviet formations.

Hey, I just played a Civ4 game like that; the basic result was German defeat in March 1945, and the Western Allies getting much further east (East Prussia to Romania) before meeting up with the Soviets.
 
Steve, I just don't see it happening.
Feel free to post a timeline covering the events.

Logistics are going to be a major issue, IMHO and the Axis is going to try something anyway to stop the Italians from collapsing (not that they will succeed, but they would still keep the British busy for a while).
As I said, I don't see a chance of getting N. Africa sweeped clean by the end of 1941 and having time to redistribute forces to the Far East.


MUC

See https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=89004. This is the 1st version and unfortunately Condor hasn't written anything on the 2nd edition since April. Only just realised now how much time since then.:(

Although some short-comings it's a pretty well reserached TL.

Don't forget the state of the Italians in 1940/41. They had not only been driven out Cyrenaica and suffered heavy losses their moral was shot to hell. Their weapons had proved worthless against the British Matilda's. Their fleet was also reeling after Taranto and Mussolini has now bogged down much of their remaining army in Greece, with the logistical burden that imposed.

It would have been difficult maintaining and supplying an offensive but if Britain had put everything into it, should be possible. Once we can get a air-base or two within range of Tripoli and hence control of the air over the base, it makes re-supply virtually impossible. I think Hitler actually refused initial suggests of German aid because he thought it was pointless and only when Britain didn't resume the offensive did he send the Africa Korp.

Don't forget that OTL Britain after Compass performed the Greek intervention, then lost Crete, then saw Rommel's 1st offensive. Successfully reinforced and supported Tobruk, crushed pro-Axis rebellion in Iraq, occupied Syria and completed the liberation of Italian E Africa. Then, despite diverting resources to Russia managed to organise and equip the force that defeated Rommel and relieved Tobruk and might have driven him out of Libya except for the Japanese attack that force a switch of units eastwards.

Nothing is certain in war but it should be possible to get Tripoli in a hopeless position by late spring and hence lead to its fall. This might also mean that the Italian fleet is further reduced as it is pressurised into seeking to force supplies through to the beleaguered garrison. What is also likely is that once its secured Malta becomes even easier to supply and loses much of its geographic importance. As such there is likely to be less need to force convoys through to Malta under heavy pressure or to Alexandria.

Steve
 
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