In pre-1990`s era the war would be a slaughterfest. A pre-version of Yugoslavia in the early 90`s. While in the 90`s era the Greeks would win, but a EU nation making an agression against someone? MAJOR diplomatic bullshit and perhaps even UN embargos.
Greco-Albanian War
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skorpion123
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there is no way that after or during the sixties that Greece would invade Albania . Simply because it's prime antagonist was Turkey .
Why open another front when Greece is already fighting with Turkey in Cyprus and it's preparing for war ? How would it help ? And where is that ultra-nationalistic Greek leadership in regard to the Albanians ? Nationalism unlike what people think is not "equally divided" with all of your neighbors or "enemies" .
There is no way that would have happened.
Greek territorial expansion to the north could happen while Turkey was not a prime concern or antagonist in the area.
During WW2 and maybe for some time afterwards. (and of course before that because the Ottoman empire was collapsing)
After the late 1950s even then Greece could have no such opportunity.
After the end of the second World War the Italian controlled for much of the second world war Albanian sovereignity was guaranteed , and Greece got the Dodekanese islands from Italy.
If Greece had not taken the Dodekanese islands maybe southern Albania would be Greek. Or maybe not . There would certainly be a Greek attempt.
Look here.
Treaty of Peace with Italy, 1947
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The Treaty of Peace with Italy was a treaty signed in Paris on February 10, 1947, between the Italian Republic (Repubblica Italiana) and the victorious powers of World War II, formally ending the hostilities. It came into general effect on September 15, 1947.[1][page needed]
The provisions of the treaty included:
A frontier marker on the 1947-settled Franco-Italian border in the Col de la Lombarde
On December 24, 1951, Libya declared its independence as the United Kingdom of Libya.
After a United Nations plebiscite, Eritrea was federated with Ethiopia as was stipulated on December 2, 1950. Eritrea gained its independence from Ethiopia de facto on May 24, 1991, and de jure on May 24, 1993.
Italian Somaliland was under British administration until 1949 when it became a United Nations Trust Territory under Italian administration. Italian Somaliland combined with British Somaliland on July 1, 1960, and together they became the Somali Republic.
A subsequent annex to the treaty provided for the cultural autonomy of the German minority in the province of Bolzano-Bozen.
Treaty of Peace with Italy, 1947
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The Treaty of Peace with Italy was a treaty signed in Paris on February 10, 1947, between the Italian Republic (Repubblica Italiana) and the victorious powers of World War II, formally ending the hostilities. It came into general effect on September 15, 1947.[1][page needed]
The provisions of the treaty included:
A frontier marker on the 1947-settled Franco-Italian border in the Col de la Lombarde
On December 24, 1951, Libya declared its independence as the United Kingdom of Libya.
After a United Nations plebiscite, Eritrea was federated with Ethiopia as was stipulated on December 2, 1950. Eritrea gained its independence from Ethiopia de facto on May 24, 1991, and de jure on May 24, 1993.
Italian Somaliland was under British administration until 1949 when it became a United Nations Trust Territory under Italian administration. Italian Somaliland combined with British Somaliland on July 1, 1960, and together they became the Somali Republic.
A subsequent annex to the treaty provided for the cultural autonomy of the German minority in the province of Bolzano-Bozen.
After the peace treaty , Greece like most European countries (especially Greece that suffered the terrible civil war , for which the aglosaxons helped the right not communists win) where in extreme need of American and British help , their most needed alies at the moment.
The situation most Europe was after WW2 and their need of American money , and help , the fear of the soviet danger , was actually an important reason for the once in history border stability in western Europe.
I see no way of Greece directly breaking the terms of the peace treaty.
Now if a) Americans gave the ok to the Greek goverment to act , or more correctly wanted them to act on their behalf
B) The Greek goverment could fund and organize (and arma) a secession group in southern Albania(and maybe it could have a political wind)
could have happened is another matter.
Again American intervention would be crucial for such endeavor to succeed. Maybe they could have seen it as a way for the Enver Hoxha regime to end.
The reality however is that the Americans did not support such actions and the Greek side did not take them. There is no evidence that they attempted to take them , or to push the Americans to see if they where willing.
The Greek stance on the matter appeared to be more of an issue (of Politicians) to complain about than for an issue to do something actively about.
That also applies to the issue of The treatment of the Greek minority in southern Albania.
Why open another front when Greece is already fighting with Turkey in Cyprus and it's preparing for war ? How would it help ? And where is that ultra-nationalistic Greek leadership in regard to the Albanians ? Nationalism unlike what people think is not "equally divided" with all of your neighbors or "enemies" .
There is no way that would have happened.
Greek territorial expansion to the north could happen while Turkey was not a prime concern or antagonist in the area.
During WW2 and maybe for some time afterwards. (and of course before that because the Ottoman empire was collapsing)
After the late 1950s even then Greece could have no such opportunity.
After the end of the second World War the Italian controlled for much of the second world war Albanian sovereignity was guaranteed , and Greece got the Dodekanese islands from Italy.
If Greece had not taken the Dodekanese islands maybe southern Albania would be Greek. Or maybe not . There would certainly be a Greek attempt.
Look here.
Treaty of Peace with Italy, 1947
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The Treaty of Peace with Italy was a treaty signed in Paris on February 10, 1947, between the Italian Republic (Repubblica Italiana) and the victorious powers of World War II, formally ending the hostilities. It came into general effect on September 15, 1947.[1][page needed]
The provisions of the treaty included:
A frontier marker on the 1947-settled Franco-Italian border in the Col de la Lombarde
- Transfer of the Adriatic islands of Cherso/Cres, Lussino/Lošinj, Lagosta/Lastovo and Pelagosa/Palagruža; of Istria south of the river Quieto/Mirna; of the city of Fiume/Rijeka and what is now western Slovenia (west of the Black Sea - Adriatic watershed) to the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia;
- Transfer of the Dodecanese islands to Greece;
- Transfer to France of Briga and Tenda, and minor revisions of the Franco-Italian border;
- Recognition of the independence of Albania and transfer to Albania of the island of Saseno;
- Recognition of the independence of Ethiopia
- Renouncement of claims to colonies (including Libya, Eritrea, and Italian Somaliland);
- Cancellation of favourable commercial treaties with the Republic of China (including cessation of the Concession in Tientsin held by the Kingdom of Italy since September 7, 1901)
On December 24, 1951, Libya declared its independence as the United Kingdom of Libya.
After a United Nations plebiscite, Eritrea was federated with Ethiopia as was stipulated on December 2, 1950. Eritrea gained its independence from Ethiopia de facto on May 24, 1991, and de jure on May 24, 1993.
Italian Somaliland was under British administration until 1949 when it became a United Nations Trust Territory under Italian administration. Italian Somaliland combined with British Somaliland on July 1, 1960, and together they became the Somali Republic.
A subsequent annex to the treaty provided for the cultural autonomy of the German minority in the province of Bolzano-Bozen.
Treaty of Peace with Italy, 1947
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Redirected from Treaty of peace with Italy (1947))
Jump to: navigation, search
The Treaty of Peace with Italy was a treaty signed in Paris on February 10, 1947, between the Italian Republic (Repubblica Italiana) and the victorious powers of World War II, formally ending the hostilities. It came into general effect on September 15, 1947.[1][page needed]
The provisions of the treaty included:
A frontier marker on the 1947-settled Franco-Italian border in the Col de la Lombarde
- Transfer of the Adriatic islands of Cherso/Cres, Lussino/Lošinj, Lagosta/Lastovo and Pelagosa/Palagruža; of Istria south of the river Quieto/Mirna; of the city of Fiume/Rijeka and what is now western Slovenia (west of the Black Sea - Adriatic watershed) to the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia;
- Transfer of the Dodecanese islands to Greece;
- Transfer to France of Briga and Tenda, and minor revisions of the Franco-Italian border;
- Recognition of the independence of Albania and transfer to Albania of the island of Saseno;
- Recognition of the independence of Ethiopia
- Renouncement of claims to colonies (including Libya, Eritrea, and Italian Somaliland);
- Cancellation of favourable commercial treaties with the Republic of China (including cessation of the Concession in Tientsin held by the Kingdom of Italy since September 7, 1901)
On December 24, 1951, Libya declared its independence as the United Kingdom of Libya.
After a United Nations plebiscite, Eritrea was federated with Ethiopia as was stipulated on December 2, 1950. Eritrea gained its independence from Ethiopia de facto on May 24, 1991, and de jure on May 24, 1993.
Italian Somaliland was under British administration until 1949 when it became a United Nations Trust Territory under Italian administration. Italian Somaliland combined with British Somaliland on July 1, 1960, and together they became the Somali Republic.
A subsequent annex to the treaty provided for the cultural autonomy of the German minority in the province of Bolzano-Bozen.
After the peace treaty , Greece like most European countries (especially Greece that suffered the terrible civil war , for which the aglosaxons helped the right not communists win) where in extreme need of American and British help , their most needed alies at the moment.
The situation most Europe was after WW2 and their need of American money , and help , the fear of the soviet danger , was actually an important reason for the once in history border stability in western Europe.
I see no way of Greece directly breaking the terms of the peace treaty.
Now if a) Americans gave the ok to the Greek goverment to act , or more correctly wanted them to act on their behalf
B) The Greek goverment could fund and organize (and arma) a secession group in southern Albania(and maybe it could have a political wind)
could have happened is another matter.
Again American intervention would be crucial for such endeavor to succeed. Maybe they could have seen it as a way for the Enver Hoxha regime to end.
The reality however is that the Americans did not support such actions and the Greek side did not take them. There is no evidence that they attempted to take them , or to push the Americans to see if they where willing.
The Greek stance on the matter appeared to be more of an issue (of Politicians) to complain about than for an issue to do something actively about.
That also applies to the issue of The treatment of the Greek minority in southern Albania.
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skorpion123
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If war happened between Albania and any of it's neighbors (before the 90es) i actually can not expect any result other than Albania crushed.