Greater NATO support during Algerian war

[CalBear]

It would require divine intervention to get NATO to intervene in a French Colonial War. It was idiotic enough that the U.S picked up the gauntlet in Vietnam.

 

[marktaha]

Could they perhaps have set up a Pied Noir.government.with a qualified franchise-a kind.of French Rhodesia ?

 

[Pelranius]

Could they perhaps have set up a Pied Noir.government.with a qualified franchise-a kind.of French Rhodesia ?

No, because the Algerians (or anyone else for the matter) wouldn't be fooled by such a flimsy sham.

 

[aaronupright]

The whole " most had US support after FDR" is relatively inaccurate. I mean remember the Suez Crisis where the US openly seriously damaged relations with two of its closest and most important NATO allies to protect what was at best a unfriendly state.

That happened under Eisenhower who was anti colonial empire as well. The decision to support the Colonial powers was taken by Truman. Ike was often saddled with Truman policies and he was always hoping to extricate himself from those commitments when he could.

 

[overoceans]

No, because the Algerians (or anyone else for the matter) would be fooled by such a flimsy sham.

I think you meant to write "wouldn't be fooled?

 

[Comte de Dordogne]

Genocide. So just a few more steps further than what they did historically.

You are answering the wrong question.
The author asks how to get NATO involved in the Algerian war, not how to get France to "win" the Algerian war.
Unless you think that the French committing genocide motivates NATO to join them, but that's far-fetched.

 

[Pelranius]

I think you meant to write "wouldn't be fooled?

Yeah thanks.

 

[htgriffin]

The problem was not military, on that front alone De Gaulle won the fight as it stood.

The issue was that the only way to dial the ongoing armed resistance down to Corsica level nuisances was for Paris to (at minimum) openly throw the Pied Noirs under the bus in terms of privileged position, weigh the staffing of departmental administration/civil service/etc. toward the Arab Muslims (their blanket enfranchisement being a given), let at least some of the resistance leadership run for office and bite the bullet on the people over there being free to settle in the rest of France. Unless NATO can get Chuck De Galle to swallow all of that (anyone with less prestige would likely face a bigger coup from the right) it would be a wash.

 

[walmart]

The issue was that the only way to dial the ongoing armed resistance down to Corsica level nuisances was for Paris to (at minimum) openly throw the Pied Noirs under the bus in terms of privileged position, weigh the staffing of departmental administration/civil service/etc. toward the Arab Muslims (their blanket enfranchisement being a given), let at least some of the resistance leadership run for office and bite the bullet on the people over there being free to settle in the rest of France.

Unacceptable to the French and the Algerian population was overwhelming in favor of Independence as shown in the referendum.

 

[The Ranger]

Could the French claim that the FLN were communists and that fighting them was fighting communism? That might get the USA involved.

 

[Pelranius]

Could the French claim that the FLN were communists and that fighting them was fighting communism? That might get the USA involved.

No, since a bit of research by the State Department would show otherwise.

 

[The Ranger]

What would have happened if the FLN were communists?

 

[Paradoxer]

De Gaulle didn't want a large number of Algerians in France.

Well he failed that part so pretty much a mute point in retrospect lol.

 

[Paradoxer]

What would have happened if the FLN were communists?

Or depicted as such by French media, intelligence, and diplomats to US like British did at times like with coup in Iran.

 

[Paradoxer]

That happened under Eisenhower who was anti colonial empire as well. The decision to support the Colonial powers was taken by Truman. Ike was often saddled with Truman policies and he was always hoping to extricate himself from those commitments when he could.

They treated much of Africa as no man land especially sub-Saharan Africa. They left that quagmire to British and Europeans to handle. The US only gets involved in North Africa due to mediterranean trade(proximity to Europe and Middle East along with Suez and oil being important).

We used economic leverage to slowly pressure Europeans to decolonized then flooding third world with weapons on scales of USSR. Didn’t work out in long run as intended but US is anti colonial at its core. Incredible capitalist and its military is basically a hegemonic mercenary force for international elements at this point especially after Cold War due to lack of clear ideological threat.

the USA vs USSR is modern global equivalent of Athens vs Sparta in nature. They support local non communist of any type who had best chance at winning. They don’t care how it’s ran as long as it’s not red but being Democratic capitalist country is preferable

 

[Paradoxer]

You are answering the wrong question.
The author asks how to get NATO involved in the Algerian war, not how to get France to "win" the Algerian war.
Unless you think that the French committing genocide motivates NATO to join them, but that's far-fetched.

Or just flood place with non Muslim sub-Saharan Africans especially Francophone and Catholic ones. Divide and conquer. Might help retain more colonies in Africa. Bend over bit for Africans while screwing over Muslims and nationalist. Plenty of desperate Africans loyalty can be bought if French are actually willing to let Francophone ones integrate fully while still making unofficial or de facto ways to disenfranchise Islamic population. The non Muslims Africans even if not fully assimilated is still more likely to become Francophones and acculturate at least.

 

[TheSwedishHistorian]

Or just flood place with non Muslim sub-Saharan Africans especially Francophone and Catholic ones. Divide and conquer. Might help retain more colonies in Africa. Bend over bit for Africans while screwing over Muslims and nationalist. Plenty of desperate Africans loyalty can be bought if French are actually willing to let Francophone ones integrate fully while still making unofficial or de facto ways to disenfranchise Islamic population. The non Muslims Africans even if not fully assimilated is still more likely to become Francophones and acculturate at least.

The timeline is far to late for that. The Muslim majority had a much higher birthrate also

 

[Paradoxer]

The timeline is far to late for that. The Non Muslim majority had a much higher birthrate also

Even over Christian or traditionalist animist Africans? I thought they had similar birth rates to Muslims or at least much higher then French Europeans? The point is non Muslim Africans can help create divide and more opposition to Muslim ran or majority state. Muslims historical grudges and conflicts with non Muslims Africans run deep and arguably more personal then ones they have against Europeans at times. Converts were sometimes the biggest loyalist too because Christianity often converts outclassed or shunned elements of society.

 

[Pelranius]

Or just flood place with non Muslim sub-Saharan Africans especially Francophone and Catholic ones. Divide and conquer. Might help retain more colonies in Africa. Bend over bit for Africans while screwing over Muslims and nationalist. Plenty of desperate Africans loyalty can be bought if French are actually willing to let Francophone ones integrate fully while still making unofficial or de facto ways to disenfranchise Islamic population. The non Muslims Africans even if not fully assimilated is still more likely to become Francophones and acculturate at least.

Why would they want to move to Algeria?

 

[boredviewer1234]

What if instead of a NATO intervention, Spain instead does not support the Algerian rebels?