Greater Carantania

how would such a empire be possible ? The whole territory should be slavic speaking. red dot is the capital city. i am very new to pre 1900 history, so sorry if thats ASB. :eek:

Ignore the OTL borders, it was the best map i found

 
ASB scale. With help from Santa Claus and the Hannuka's Zombie. Probably not enough.

Carantians were, historically, or under Avar dominance, Bavarian dominance, Frankish dominance then German one.

Let's imagine, for some reason, they are ignored.

They simply wouldn't have the ressources to conquer that. Let's guesstimate the population of Caranthia at 1 million (and I'm generous there).

How are they supposed to conquer more rich, more populated (Gaul itself is 10 millions), more fortified, more everything lands, WHILE being raided as others by Magyars?

I'm really, really sorry but I don't see how it would be possible, this is just out of proportions.
 
I was curious, since I hadn't heard of them before.

While the House of Hapsburg draws its name from a castle, I thought it might be possible just thinking out loud to have a very loose definition of "Empire,' based not on conquest but on members of one royal family ruling several countries.

However, the problem is that there doesn't seem to be a way to get the ruler of one of these to become, say, King of the Franks after Chrlemegne. While there was a Duchy created in the same area as the capital later, since - if I'm reading right - it went by a different name I don't think that qualifies.

It became a Margraviate under the Frankish Empire in 828; local rulers were deposed for followign an anti-Frankish rebellion. If - and this is a big if as I don't know why they followed it - they help to put downt he rebellion they might wind up with some power with an ATL Holy Roman Empire, but getting them to be Emperors would be well-nigh impossible, and I don't know enough about the way the Hapsburg ruling family grew to say whether these rulers could spawna bunch of rulers of different lands.

But, even that wouldn't be most peoples' definition of an empire, in the way you seem to be describing. And, they'd likely have to do some incredible work and also rely on a lot of luck to get anywhere near Hapsburg size, anyway. (Hapsburg rise osn't ASB, but it is one of those things where you can see quite a bit of luck, such as royal families dying out and inheriting a number of places.)
 
I guess given a string of good rulers, a few centuries, and preposterously good luck they could manage it. But yes, I don't see how a small Slavic tribe could feasibly take all of that. They were hardly the Visigoths.
 
Could you possibly get an empire that shape? Maybe, although highly unlikely. Could it have been formed by the people you chose? Verging on asb. Would such an empire be slavic speaking? No way on gods green earth.

France doesnt speak frankish, spain doesnt speak visigothic, italy speaks neither ostrogothic nor lombard. Bulgaria doesnt speak the turkic language of the bulgars.
 
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