I think then premise is that the Hungarian revolution does not happen as they are brought to to the table with the 12 points instead of sending a Croatian army to Budapest.
That would be very good. Though sadly Artúr Görgei had left the Austrian army prior to the rebellion so averting the Hungarian Revolution doesn't mean regaining him.
 
Fighting a civil war while simultaneous waging a major campaign in Italy is supposed to be easy?

Honestly, does the Hungarian Revolution really prove anything other than that Austrian officers* are a match for other Austrian officers? Or that if given the option to end a war a year early,** at no cost, heads of state will gladly take it?

*some very talented ones at that, the biggest problem for the Austrian army of the period was probably its inability to keep its talent young officers loyal and committed.

**Haynau at least believed the war could be won without Russia, and given that the war in Italy was winding down (meaning a lot of manpower was about to be freed up) he was probably right.

I think then premise is that the Hungarian revolution does not happen as they are brought to to the table with the 12 points instead of sending a Croatian army to Budapest.

The reason the Hungarian Republic was proclaimed was that the Austrian state did not recognise the 12 points. The Hungarian revolutionaries still wanted Ferdinand I as emperor when Franz Joseph replaced him. If Maximillian gets in and personally, accepts the 12 points from the Hungarians, they would accept him as emperor avoiding the creation of a kingdom of Hungry and the Republic of Hungry.
 
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I know that I have constructed a well-written piece but foreseeing the consequences of achieving this is difficult because Lesser Germany partly caused WWI, which lead to Hitler's rise, WWII and then the cold war. This divergence is at a critical juncture in history so I cannot foresee anything. A Liberal emperor in place of two conservative emperors is completely different and liberal state is completely different from an absolutist and liberal/conservative state. I.e their opposites. (Bismarck did delve into liberalism in the 1870-1890s.)
 
That would be very good. Though sadly Artúr Görgei had left the Austrian army prior to the rebellion so averting the Hungarian Revolution doesn't mean regaining him.

Thank you, I'll look into him.

What's sad is that whilst I have written a good academic essay I can envision it being a novel but I'm not a novel writer, I'm an academic writer. Problem is I keep envisioning images in my head of each of the projects I do. Great... tortures.
 
I take it an Austrian/Confederation victory in 1850 is accomplished with Russian assent. I would bet a condition of this is that there is no dismemberment of Prussia—this also keeps France out.

Prussia is coerced into joining the larger Confederation as a co-executive and thus Austria’s empire is guaranteed by the resources of Germany.

Longer term there is gridlock in German politics—with a preference for conservatism. The Austrian version of the Zollverein slows growth overall but there is still growth.

The Confederation is a status quo power. Its resources are applied to maintaining Austrian power in Italy and Hungary. German prevails as the language of administration except perhaps in Italy.

The Confederation is going to have to tolerate Russian power in the eastern Balkans to avoid a Franco-Russian combination. In a future Russo-Turkish war the Germans remain neutral.
 
I take it an Austrian/Confederation victory in 1850 is accomplished with Russian assent. I would bet a condition of this is that there is no dismemberment of Prussia—this also keeps France out.

Prussia is coerced into joining the larger Confederation as a co-executive and thus Austria’s empire is guaranteed by the resources of Germany.

Longer term there is gridlock in German politics—with a preference for conservatism. The Austrian version of the Zollverein slows growth overall but there is still growth.

The Confederation is a status quo power. Its resources are applied to maintaining Austrian power in Italy and Hungary. German prevails as the language of administration except perhaps in Italy.

The Confederation is going to have to tolerate Russian power in the eastern Balkans to avoid a Franco-Russian combination. In a future Russo-Turkish war the Germans remain neutral.

Russian assent? No, it would take to long. Creating Greater Austria is all about speed and keeping other states out of the loop. They would likely deny the request if they knew Schwarzenberg's plan was to expand the Confederation because that would mean eventual unification.

I have done the calculation for the Frankfurt Parliament to pass the extension on the German Confederation borders. However, it requires... juggling my original scenario or maybe not. It's all down to that second problem: “Neither Prussia nor Austria could prevail with their plans because the middle-states such as Bavaria and Hanover were afraid of a federal state without Austria, in which Prussia would have been the supremacy, but also fear of a Greater Austria as a pure confederation in which Austria had dominated. Thus, in the summer of 1851, the old German Confederation was restored.”

Austria has a total of 61 parliamentary votes compared to Prussia who has 124. Austria is heavily reliant on her allies whereas Prussia does not have allies who have a substantial amount of votes.

The risk to Austria:
will reformation and a customs union guarantee the votes from Bavaria, Saxony, Wuttenburg and Baden which total 99 votes, with Austria its 160 votes. Prussia and her allies total 159 votes.

If by early to middle January 1849, Schwarzenberg cannot guarantee all of the votes of Bavaria, Saxony, Wuttenburg and Baden then he needs to invade Prussia and conquer Hohenzollern-Hechingen and Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen. He'll gain two votes, increasing his short overall majority. He'll win because Austria has an extra 46 votes out of her remaining allies which include Nassau, Grand Duchy of Hesse, Electorate of Hesse, Hannover, City of Frankfurt, Saxe-Meiningen and Reuss-Greiz. These will either abstain or vote for Austria. If its war and Austria win I'd expect they would all vote with Austria. (Remember the Austro-Prussian war only lasted 1 month and 12 days. It's not about collapse but influence at this point.)

Timeline:

December 1849:
  • Maximillian installed as emperor
  • The '12 points' become the new constitution
  • San Marco State crushed
Early to middle January 1849:
  • (Hypothetical) 1st Austro-Prussian war - (avoiding the Hungarian Revolution Austria is able to make good work of Prussia in just 28 days.)
  • Or Schwarenberg convinces 120 out of 145 delegates through backroom talks. He uses the new constitution, revolutionary liberalism reform, Maxmillian, nationalism and charismatic populism, diplomacy and foreign policy to gain the votes. This method makes him more trustworthy (and prestigious in his legacy) because he’s used the political and diplomatic system rather than war to achieve his aims.
Middle February 1849:
  • South German Confederation is formed (Hypothetical)
March 1849:
  • Schwarzenberg proposes the extension of the German Confederation lines along with a customs union
  • Frankfurt Parliament votes through Schwarzenberg's proposal by 206 to 159 (greatest margin based on Austrian war victory) or 160 to 159 (least margin or anything higher. This scenario would include abstentions from across Austrian allies but Schwarzenberg is still able to get an overall majority based on the installation of Maximillian and the new '12 points' constitution. This scenario is all about Schwarzenberg being able to woe 145 delegates to vote for his deal through his leadership style, diplomacy, foreign policy and charisma.)
June 1849 - 1852:
  • First Schleswig War
1850 - 1860:
  • Schwarzenberg and Maximillian implement revolutionary social, economic, military, infrastructure and administrative reform.
1862 - 1865:
  • 2nd Austro-Prussian war
1866:
  • South German Confederation is formed (Hypothetical)
1870 - 1871:
  • German-Franco war
  • Maximillian proclaimed Emperor
Appendix: Frankfurt Parliamentary delegates

South German States:

Achleitner, Georg, of Ried, Austria
Andrian-Werburg, Victor Franz v., of Vienna (Wiener Neustadt), Austria
Auersperg, Anton Alexander v., of Vienna, Austria
Beinhauer, Wilhelm, of Waidhofen, Austria
Bouvier, Cajetan, from Styria, Austria
Buzzi, Andreas v., of Klagenfurt (Carinthia), Austria
Dobblhof-Diers, Joseph v., of Baden, Austria
Drinkwelder, Franz, of Krems, Austria
Edlauer, Franz, of Liezen (Styria), Austria
Egger, Franz, of Vienna, Austria
Englmayr, Georg, of Leonbach (Enns), Austria
Eymuth, Franz, of Murau (Styria), Austria
Flir, Alois, of Landeck (Tyrol), Austria
Frank, Mortiz v., of Graz (Styria), Austria
Fritsch, Johann, of Ried, Austria
Fügerl, Karl, of Korneuburg, Austria
Gasser, Vincenz, of Brixen (Tyrol), Austria
Gold, Carl Ritter v., of Adelsberg (Carniola), Austria
Grindlinger (Gründlinger), Michael, of Wolfpassing, Austria
Gritzner, Maximilian Josef, of Vienna, Austria
Hartmann, Moritz, of Leitmeritz (Bohemia), Austria
Haßlwenter, Johann, of Innsbruck (Tyrol), Austria
Hayden, Eduard Ritter v. und z. Dorff, Schlierstadt (Kirchdorf), Austria
Kagerbauer, Peter, of Linz, Austria
Kaiser, Ignatz, of Retz, Austria
Kalchberg, Franz Ritter Kalchegger v., of Graz (Styria), Austria
Kerer, Johann, of Silz (Tyrol), Austria
Knapitsch, Franz Edler v., of Klagenfurt, Austria
Knarr, Josef, of Hartberg (Styria), Austria
Kohlparzer, Franz Xaver, of Neuhaus (Neufelden), Austria
Kürsinger, Carl v., of Damsweg (Werfen), Austria
Kürsinger, Ignatz v., of Salzburg, Austria
Mally, Georg, of Marburg, Styria, Austria
Mareck, Titus, of Graz, Styria, Austria
Mayer, Franz Ferdinand v., of Vienna, Austria
Megerle, Eugen Edler v. Mühlfeld, of Vienna, Austria
Melly, Eduard, of Horn, Austria
Möring, Karl, of Vienna
Muck, Johann v., of Schwadorf, Austria
Pattai, Guido, of Gleinstätten, Austria
Peitler, Franz, of Taxenbach, (Zell am See) Austria
Ranzony (Ranzoni), Johann, of Melk, Austria
Reindl, Franz, of Ort, Austria
Reisinger, Josef, of Freistadt, Bohemia, Austria
Riehl, Anton, of Zwettl, Austria
Scheuchenstuel, Carl v., of Leoben (Styria), Austria
Schiedermayer, Wilhelm, of Vöcklabruck, Austria
Schilling, Ernst, of Vienna, Austria
Schmerling, Anton v., of Vienna, Austria
Schmidt, Aloys, of Brixen (Tyrol), Austria
Schmidt, Joseph, of Linz, Austria
Schreiner, Gustav, of Graz (Weiz) (Styria), Austria
Schüler, Johannes of Innsbruck (Tyrol), Austria
Schuselka, Franz, of Klosterneuburg, Austria
Stieger, Johann, of Klagenfurt (Carinthia), Austria
Stremayr, Karl v., of Kindberg (Graz) (Styria), Austria
Vonbun, Anton, of Feldberg (Feldkirch) (Vorarlberg), Austria
Wagner, Camillo, of Steyr, Austria
Weiß, Josef, of Salzburg (Grein), Austria
Wiesner, Adolf, of Feldsberg, Austria
Würth, Josef Edler v., of Wiener Neustadt, Austria
Barth, Marquard Adolf, of Kaufbeuren, Bavaria
Behr, Wilhelm Josef, of Bamberg, Bavaria
Blumröder, Gustav v., of Kirchenlamitz, Bavaria
Burkart, Friedrich Carl, of Bamberg, Bavaria
Cucumus, Konrad, of München, Bavaria
Döllinger, Ignaz, of Munich (Landau), Bavaria
Eckert, Nicolaus Joseph, of Lohr (Gemünden), Bavaria
Eisenmann, Gottfried, of Würzburg, Bavaria
Fallmerayer, Jakob Phillip, of Munich, Bavaria
Friedrich, Leonhard, of Bamberg, Bavaria
Gangkofner, Carl Josef, of Pottenstein, Bavaria
Gebhardt, Conrad, of Fürth, Bavaria
Gebhardt, Heinrich, of Hof, Bavaria
Geigel, Phillip, of Munich, Bavaria
Glaß, Maximilian, of Landau, Bavaria
Glück, Christian Carl, of Munich, Bavaria
Gombart, Ludwig Lucas, of Munich, Bavaria
Graf, Johann Baptist Eduard, of Munich, Bavaria
Hagenmüller, Johann Baptiste, of Kempten, Bavaria
Haubenschmidt, Ferdinand, of Passau, Bavaria
Hermann, Friedrich v., of Munich, Bavaria
Keim, Gottlieb Friedrich Ferdinand, of Bayreuth, Bavaria
Kolb, Georg Friedrich, of Speyer, Bavaria
Kraft, Wilhelm Friedrich Christian Gustav, of Nürnberg, Bavaria
Künsberg, Heinrich v., of Ansbach, Bavaria
Lassaulx, Peter Ernst v., of Munich, Bavaria
Mayer, Thomas, of Memmingen, Bavaria
Nagel zu Aichberg, Anton v., of Oberwiechdach (Neunburg) (Palatinate), Bavaria
Obermüller, Matthias, of Passau, Bavaria
Ostermünchner, Carl, of Griesbach (Pfarrkirchen), Bavaria
Panner (Pammer), Sebastian, of Schalgen (Schalchen), Austria
Paur, Adolf Xaver, of Augsburg, Bavaria
Philipps, Georg, of Munich, Bavaria
Pözel, Josef, of Munich, Bavaria
Quante, Andreas Bernhard, of Würzburg, Bavaria
Raumer, Hans v., of Dinkelsbühl, Bavaria
Reichard, Josef Martin, of Speyer (Palatinate), Bavaria
Reitmayr, August, of Regensburg (Weiden), Bavaria
Ruhwandl, Max Josef, of Munich (Moosburg), Bavaria
Schauß, Anton v., of Munich (Traunstein), Bavaria
Schmitt, Nicolaus, of Kaiserslautern (Palatinate), Bavaria
Schneider, Johann Friedrich, of Lichtenfels (Kulmbach), Bavaria
Schrenk v. Notzing, Karl, of Munich (Cham), Bavaria
Schubert, Heinrich, of Würzburg, Bavaria
Schüler, Friedrich, of Zweibrücken (Lauterecken) (Palatinate), Bavaria
Sepp, Johann Nepomuk of Doelz (Rosenheim), Bavaria
Spatz, Carl Alexander, of Frankenthal (Palatinate), Bavaria
Stahl, Friedrich Wilhelm, of Erlangen, Bavaria
Tafel, Franz, of Zweibrücken (Palatinate), Bavaria
Thinnes, Friedrich, of Eichstätt, Bavaria
Umbscheiden, Phillip, of Dahn (Palatinate), Bavaria
Weeber (Weber), Josef, of Neuburg (Donauwörth), Bavaria
Wulffen, Friedrich v., of Passau, Bavaria
Zenetti, Johann Baptiste v., of Landshut, Bavaria
Zerzog, Adolf v., of Regensburg, Bavaria
Biedermann, Karl, of Dresden, Saxony
Blum, Robert of Leipzig, Saxony
Degenkolb, Carl, of Eulenburg (Delitzsch, Saxony
Dietzsch, Carl Theodor, of Annaberg (Schwarzenberg), Saxony
Günther, Georg, of Leipzig, Saxony
Heisterbergk, Franz, of Rochlitz, Saxony
Henßel (Hensel), Adolf Ernst, of Zittau, Saxony
Heubner, Otto Leonhard, of Frauenstein, Saxony
Koch, Carl Wilhelm Otto, of Leipzig, Saxony
Mammen, Franz August, of Plauen, Saxony
Schaffrath, Wilhelm, of Neustadt (Stolpen), Saxony
Schmidt, Julius Theodor, of Wurzen (Grimma), Saxony
Trütschler (Trützschler), Wilhelm Adolph v., of Dresden (Oelsnitz), Saxony
Wigard, Franz Jacob, of Dresden, Saxony
Zöllner, Wilhelm August, of Chemnitz, Saxony
Ahrens, Heinrich, of Salzgitter, Hannover
Bothmer, Karl v., of Carow (Blumenau), Hannover
Brons, Ysaak, of Emden, Hannover
Dammers, Carl Otto, of Nienburg, Hannover
Detmold, Johann Hermann, of Hannover, Hannover
Deymann, Matthias, of Meppen, Hannover
Evertsbusch, Friedrich, of Altenau, Hannover
Groß, Carl, of Leer, Hannover
Groß, Carl, of Leer, Hannover
Grumbrecht, August, of Lüneburg, Hannover
Grundner, Georg v., of Ingolstadt, Bavaria
Hugo, Aemil, of Göttingen, Hannover
Lang, Friedrich, of Werden, Hannover
Nicol, Carl of Hannover (Hameln), Hannover
Plaß, Christian Heinrich, of Stade, Hanover
Roben (Röben), Johann Gerhardt, of Dornum (Esens), Hannover
Waitz, Georg, of Göttingen, Hannover
Wedekind, Eduard, of Bruchhausen, Hannover
Zachariä, Heinrich Albert, of Göttingen, Hannover
Fetzer, Carl August Friedrich, of Stuttgart, Württemberg
Frisch, Christian, of Stuttgart, Württemberg
Haßler, Konrad Dietrich, of Ulm, Württemberg
Hentges, Louis, of Heilbronn, Württemberg
Hoffmann, Christoph, of Ludwigsburg, Württemberg
Kauzer, Georg, of Lauchheim, Wuttenburg
Mathy, Karl, of Karlsruhe (Calw), Württemberg
Mohl, Moritz, of Stuttgart, Württemberg
Murschel, Wilhelm Heinrich, of Stuttgart, Württemberg
Nägele, Ferdinand, of Murhardt (Backnang), Württemberg
Pfahler, Georg, of Tettnang, Wuttenburg
Pfitzer, Paul, of Stuttgart, Württemberg
Reinwald (Rheinwald), Carl Friedrich v., of Bern (Spaichingen), Württemberg
Rödinger, Friedrich, of Stuttgart (Öhringen), Württemberg
Römer, Friedrich v. of Göppingen, Württemberg
Römer, Friedrich, of Stuttgart (Göppingen), Württemberg
Rümelin, Gustav, of Mürdingen, Württemberg
Schoder, Adolph Gottlieb Ferdinand, of Stuttgart (Besigheim), Württemberg
Schott, Albert, of Stuttgart (Böblingen), Württemberg
Tafel, Gottlob, of Stuttgart (Welzheim), Württemberg
Uhland, Ludwig, of Tübingen (Rottenburg), Württemberg
Vischer, Friedrich Theodor, of Tübingen, Württemberg
Wiest, Wilhelm, of Tübingen (Bad Saulgau), Württemberg
Zimmermann, Wilhelm of Stuttgart (Schwäbisch Hall), Württemberg
Bernhardi, Karl, of Cassel (Eschwege), Electoral Hesse
Henkel, Heinrich, of Cassel, Electoral Hesse
Hildebrandt, Bruno, of Marburg, Electoral Hesse
Jacobi, Carl Wilhelm, of Hersfeld, Electoral Hesse
Jordan, Sylvester, of Fritzlar, Electoral Hesse
Rühl, August, of Hanau, Electoral Hesse
Schwarzenberg, Ludwig, of Kassel, Electoral Hesse
Schwarzenberg, Philipp, of Melsungen, Electoral Hesse
Werthmüller, Valentin Josef, of Fulda, Electoral Hesse
Wippermann, Karl Wilhelm. of Cassel, Electoral Hesse
Bassermann, Friedrich Daniel, of Mannheim, Baden
Gervinus, Georg Gottfried, of Heidelberg, Baden
Mittermaier, Carl Joseph Anton, of Heidelberg, Baden
Mohl, Robert v., of Heidelberg, Baden
Soiron, Alexander v., of Mannheim, Baden
Bogen, Ludwig, of Michelstadt, Grand Ducal Hesse
Brunck, Josef, of Fürfeld, Grand Ducal Hesse
Gagern, Heinrich v., of Darmstadt, Grand Ducal Hesse
Jaup, Heinrich Carl, of Darmstadt, Grand Ducal Hesse
Stedmann, Carl, of Besselich (Kreuznach, Grand Ducal Hesse
Gagern, Maximilian v., of Wiesbaden, Nassau
Hehner, Carl, of Wiesbaden, Nassau
Hergenhahn, August, of Wiesbaden, Nassau
Schenk, Carl, of Dillenburg (Rennerod), Nassau
Schepp, Friedrich Wilhelm, of Wiesbaden, Nassau
Schulz, Friedrich Wilhelm, of Weilburg, Nassau
Liebmann, Richard, of Meiningen, Saxe-Meiningen
Hoffmann, Julius, of Eisfeld (Meiningen), Saxe-Meiningen
Jucho, Friedrich Siegmund, of Frankfurt
Welcker, Carl Theodor, of Frankfurt
Freudentheil, Gottlieb Wilhelm, of Frankfurt
Claussen, Hans Reimer, of Heide, Schleswig-Holstein
Droysen, Johann Gustav, of Kiel (Oldenburg in Holstein, Schleswig-Holstein
Esmarch, Heinrich Carl, of Husum, Schleswig-Holstein
Francke, Karl, of Flensburg, Schleswig-Holstein
Riesser, Gabriel, of Hamburg (Lauenburg), Schleswig-Holstein
Selchow, Werner v., of Lauenburg, Schleswig-Holstein
Bonardy, Ludwig, of Greiz, Reuss ältere Linie

North German States:

Adams, Franz, of Coblenz (Rhineland), Prussia
Anders, Friedrich, of Jauer (Goldberg in Silesia), Prussia
Anderson, Ferdinand, of Frankfurt a.d. Oder, Prussia
Arnim-Boytzenburg, Adolf Heinrich v., of Berlin, Prussia
Becker, Christoph, of Daan (Schönecken) (Rhineland), Prussia
Beckerath, Hermann v., of Crefeld (Westphalia), Prussia
Bresgen, Franz, of Ahrweiler (Rhineland), Prussia
Bürgers, Ignaz, of Köln (Rhineland), Prussia
Carl, Heinrich Conrad, of Berlin, Prussia
Cetto, Karl Philipp, of St. Wendel (Rhineland), Prussia
Clemens, Franz Jacob, of Bonn (Rhineland), Prussia
Cnyrim, Adolf, of Frankfurt am Main (Ziegenhain)), Rhineland, Prussia
Compes, Gerhard, of Cöln (Rhineland), Prussia
Dahlmann, Friedrich Christoph, of Bonn (Rhineland), Prussia
Dallwitz, Sigmund v., of Lauban (Silesia), Prussia
Deetz, Albert August Wilhelm, of Wittenberg (Province of Saxony), Prussia
Deiters, Peter Franz Ignz, of Bonn (Rhineland), Prussia
Dewes, Peter, of Losheim (Merzig) (Rhineland), Prussia
Dham, Carl Johann Ludwig, of Schmallenberg (Meschede) (Westphalia), Prussia
Ditsch (Dietzsch), Ferdinand, of Saarbrücken (Rhineland), Prussia
Dunker (Duncker), Maximilian, of Halle (Province of Saxony), Prussia
Ebmeier, Carl Heinrich, of Paderborn (Westphalia), Prussia
Eckert, Eduard, of Bromberg (Posen), Prussia
Falk, Friedrich Wilhelm Alexander, of Oberlangendorf (Militsch) (Silesia), Prussia
Flottwell, Eduard v., of Münster (Westphalia), Prussia
Fuchs, Carl, of Breslau (Silesia), Prussia
Gans, Carl Theodor Edler Herr zu Putlitz, of Putlitz (Brandenburg), Prussia
Giesebrecht, Ludwig, of Mirow in Pommern, Prussia
Goltz, Gustav Graf v. d., of Czarnikau (Posen), Prussia
Goltz, Robert v. d., Mayor of Brieg (Silesia), Prussia
Grävell, Maximilian Karl Friedrich Wilhelm, of Muskau (Lusatia), Prussia
Gulden, Gustav Adolf, of Zweibrücken (Rhineland), Prussia
Hagenow, Gustav v., Langenfelde (Grimmen) (Pomerania), Prussia
Hahn, Johann Friedrich, of Ringleben, Prussia
Haym, Rudolf, of Halle, Province of Saxony, Prussia
Henning, Eduard, of Thorn (West Prussia), Prussia
Hermann, Paul, Weidlitz (Bautzen) (Lusatia), Prussia
Hlubert (Hlubeck), Franz Xaver, Graz (Styria), Austria
Hoffbauer, Wilhelm, of Nordhausen, Province of Saxony, Prussia
Jahn, Friedirch Ludwig, of Freiburg an der Unstrut, Province of Saxony, Prussia
Jordan, Carl Friedrich Wilhelm, of Freienwalde (Brandenburg), Prussia
Kahlert, Anton, of Leobschütz (Silesia), Prussia
Kerst, Samuel Gottfried, of Birnbaum (Posen), Prussia
Ketteler, Wilhelm Emmanuel Freiherr v., of Hopsten (Lengerich) (Westphalia), Prussia
Knoodt, Franz Peter, of Bonn (Rhineland), Prussia
Knuth (unknown) of Bunzlau, Prussia
Kompes, Gerhard, of Siegburg (Rhineland), Prussia
Kosmann, Wilhelm Albert, of Stettin, Prussia
Lavergne-Peguilhen, Alexander v., of Neidenburg (East Prussia), Prussia
Lette, Wilhelm Adolf, of Berlin, Prussia
Leue, Friedrich Gottfried, of Cöln (Rhineland), Prussia
Lieber, Eduard, of Züllichau, Brandenburg, Prussia
Loew, Friedrich, of Magdeburg, Province of Saxony, Prussia
Maltzahn, Gustav Robert v., of Küstrin, Brandenburg, Prussia
Marcks, Eduard, of Duisburg (Westphalia), Prussia
Martens, Heinrich Wilhelm Gottlieb, of Danzig, West Prussia, Prussia
Martiny, Friedrich, of Friedland (Schlochau), West Prussia, Prussia
Massow, Hermann v., of Carlsberg (Glatz), Silesia, Prussia
Mathis (Matthies), Konrad, of Wolgast, Pomerania, Prussia
Matzke (Metzke), Hermann, of Sagan, Silesia, Prussia
Melchers, Paulus, of Münster (Westphalia), Prussia
Mevissen, Gustav, of Dulden (Hilchenbach), Rhineland, Prussia
Meyer, Johann Carl Christian, of Liegnitz, Silesia, Prussia
Müller, Johann Georg, of Münster (Westphalia), Prussia
Münch, Johannes, of Wetzlar (Westphalia), Prussia
Mylius, Eberhard v., of Kleve (Rhineland), Prussia
Nauwerk, Carl, of Berlin, Prussia
Nerreter, Ernst Louis Otto, of Fraustadt (Posen), Prussia
Ostendorf, Julius, of Soest, Prussia
Pagenstecher, Heinrich Carl Alexander, of Elberfeld, Prussia
Paur, Theodor, of Grottkau (Silesia), Prussia
Pinchert, Friedrich, of Zeitz, Prussia
Plathner, Otto, of Halberstadt, Prussia
Pogge, Johann of Roggow (Pomerania), Prussia
Rappard, Conrad v., of Angermünde, Brandenburg, Prussia
Raveaux, Franz, of Cöln (Rhineland), Prussia
Reden, Friedrich Wilhelm v., of Berlin, Brandenburg, Prussia
Reichensperger, August, of Trier (Rhineland), Prussia
Reinstein, August, of Naumburg, Province of Saxony, Prussia
Rettig (unknown) of Potsdam, Brandenburg, Prussia
Rönne, Friedrich v., of Berlin (Mühlhausen) (Province of Saxony), Prussia
Sänger, Carl v., of Grabow (Wirsitz) (Posen), Prussia
Scheller, Friedrich Ernst, of Frankfurt a. d. Oder (Brandenburg), Prussia
Schleussing, Franz v., of Lötzen (East Prussia), Prussia
Schlotheim, Jérôme v., of Frankfurt a. d. Oder (Wollstein) (Posen), Prussia
Schlüter, Arnold, of Paderborn (Westphalia), Prussia
Schmidt, Ernst (Franz), of Salzbrunn (Löwenberg) (Silesia), Prussia
Scholten, Heinrich Cornelius, of Ward (Kleve) (Rhineland), Prussia
Scholz, Franz of Neisse (Silesia), Prussia
Schreiber, Carl Ludwig, of Bielefeld (Westphalia), Prussia
Schubert, Friedrich Wilhelm of Ortelsburg (East Prussia), Prussia
Schultze, Heinrich, of Lübbau (Landeshut) (Silesia), Prussia
Schultze, Wilhelm, of Potsdam (Ruppin) (Brandenburg), Prussia
Schwarz, Carl Heinrich Wilhelm, of Halle (Torgau) (Province of Saxony), Prussia
Schwetschke, Carl Gustav, of Halle (Sangerhausen) (Province of Saxony), Prussia
Sellmer, Carl, of Landsberg a.d. Warthe (Brandenburg), Prussia
Senf, Emil Alexander Wilhelm, of Inowrazlaw (Posen), Prussia
Simon, August Heinrich, of Magdeburg (Province of Saxony), Prussia
Simon, Ludwig Gerhard Gustav, of Trier (Rhineland), Prussia
Simson, Eduard, of Königsberg (East Prussia), Prussia
Stenzel, Gustav Adolf Harald, of Breslau (Silesia), Prussia
Sturm, Bruno Adolf, of Sorau (Lusatia), Prussia
Teichert, Gottlob, of Berlin, Prussia
Treskow, Julius v., of Grocholin (Schubin) (Posen), Prussia
Ungerbüler, Otto, of Preussisch Holland (East Prussia), Prussia
Unwerth, Albert August v., of Glogau (Silesia), Prussia
Veit, Moritz, of Berlin, Prussia
Venedey, Jacob, of Cöln (Rhineland), Prussia
Versen, Carl, of Nieheim (Westphalia), Prussia
Vogel, Ernst, of Eisleben (Guben) (Brandenburg), Prussia
Waldmann, Heinrich, of Heiligenstadt (Province of Saxony), Prussia
Walter, Robert, of Neustadt (Silesia), Prussia
Wartensleben-Schwirsen, Alexander v., of Greiffenberg (Pomerania), Prussia
Wedemeyer, Ludwig Georg v., of Schönrade (Friedeberg in der Neumark) (Brandenburg), Prussia
Wernher, Phillip Wilhelm, of Nierstein (Alsfeld) (Rhineland), Prussia
Wesendonck, Hugo, of Düsseldorf (Westphalia), Prussia
Wichmann, Wilhelm, of Stendal (Province Saxony), Prussia
Wiebker, August, of Ueckermünde (Pomerania), Prussia
Wiedenmann (Widenmann), Christian of Düsseldorf (Westphalia), Prussia
Zell, Friedrich Josef, of Trier (Bernkastel-Kues) (Rhineland), Prussia
Ziegert, August, of Preuß. Minden (Westphalia), Prussia
Zimmermann, Eduard, of Spandau (Brandenburg), Prussia
Zitz, Franz Heinrich, of Mainz (Rhineland), Prussia
zum Sande, Johannes, of Lingen (Rhineland), Prussia
Blumenstetter, Josef of Burladingen, Hohenzollern-Hechingen
Sprißler, Josef, of Empfingen, Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen
Böcler, Heinrich, of Schwerin, Mecklenburg-Schwerin
Haupt, Eduard, of Wismar, Mecklenburg-Schwerin
Kierulf, Johann Friedrich Martin, of Rostock, Mecklenburg-Schwerin
Reinhard, Ludwig, of Boizenburg, Mecklenburg-Schwerin
Sprengel, Albert, of Waren, Mecklenburg-Schwerin
Becker, Friedrich Gottlieb, of Gotha, Saxe-Coburg and Gotha
Briegleb, Moritz Adolf, of Coburg, Saxe-Coburg and Gotha
Buttel, Diedrich Christian, of Oldenburg, Oldenburg
Möllingen (Mölling), Georg Friedrich of Jever, Oldenburg
Rüder, Maximilian Heinrich, of Birkenfeld (Rhineland), Oldenburg
Tappehorn, Franz, of Oldenburg, Oldenburg
Schüler, Christian, of Jena, Saxe-Weimar
Weissenborn, Wilhelm, of Eisenach, Saxe-Weimar
Wydenbrugk, Oskar v., of Weimar, Saxe-Weimar
Heckscher, Johann Gustav Wilhelm Moritz, of Hamburg
Merck, Ernst, of Hamburg
Roß, Edgar Daniel, of Hamburg
Wurm, Christian Friedrich, of Hamburg
Sonnenkalb, Carl Victor, of Römschütz, Saxony-Altenburg
Lindenau, Bernhard v., of Pohlhof (Altenburg), Saxe-Altenburg
Dröge, Johann Albert, of Bremen
Gevekoht, Carl Theodor, of Bremen
Zachariä, Friedrich Wilhelm Conrad, of Bernburg, Anhalt-Bernburg
Wiederhold, Ludwig Heinrich, of Lübeck
Stolle, Friedrich, of Holzminden, Brunswick-Lüneburg
Meyer, Georg Theodor, of Lüneburg, Brunswick
Genzken, Friedrich, of Neu-Strelitz, Mecklenburg-Strelitz
Lowe (Loewe), Wilhelm, of Calbe, Anhalt
Grimmert, Carl Friedrich, of Mehringen, Anhalt-Dessau
Schierenberg, Heinrich, of Detmold (Lage), Lippe-Detmold
Blumröder, August v., of Sondershausen, Schwarzburg-Sondershausen
Cramer, Andreas, of Cörben, Anhalt-Köthen
Pfeiffer, August Emanuel, of Adamsdorf, (Soldin) Mecklenburg-Strelitz

Neutral
Michelsen, Andreas Ludwig Jacob, of Jena, Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach
Fischer, Gustav, of Jena, Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach
Hönninger (Hönniger), Friedrich Carl, of Rudolstadt, Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt
Kaiser, Peter, of Mauern (Vaduz), Liechtenstein

Unknown:
Heilsmann (unknown)
Vömer (unknown)
Maier of Ottobauer (unknown)
Britlev of (unknown) (likely Brieglieb, Moritz Adolf, due to stenographer error)
Kramer (unknown)
 
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What are Schwarzenberg’s policies after the reform of the Zollverein? How does he deal with the influence of Archduchess Sophie? This bypassing of Franz Joseph is a tough sell—and probably not strictly necessary. He was an 18 year old boy at the time. He could be controlled.

Internally, I suspect the regime has a fair amount of rural support given that the emancipation of the serfs is carried through and the impartial administration of the imperial bureaucrats is preferable to the corrupt gentry. I think this is true even in Italy. Could a large standing army and progressive economic policies carry the day over time? Would the 1851 revocation of the constitution happen or would it be implemented as a PR strategy? It might enhance the Austrian image among the other German states. What of the concordat? I think it might have support in the provinces but Schwarzenberg quashes it because he finds it embarrassing.

What are the strategies for governing in Germany—a coalition of Junker, South German and Austrian delegates to counter liberal movements, or does he go liberal to isolate the Junker class? Are moves made to unify foreign policy and the military, or are the member states largely left alone and power in Germany is a diffuse thing?

Foreign Policy? I say deferential to Russia to avoid a Franco-Russian alliance. Thus, it is Russia aggressing in the Balkans assured of German neutrality. They are opposed by Britain and France. The Danish question? Can Schwarzenberg obtain a better conclusion or do the other powers combine to support the Danes?
 
What are Schwarzenberg’s policies after the reform of the Zollverein? How does he deal with the influence of Archduchess Sophie? This bypassing of Franz Joseph is a tough sell—and probably not strictly necessary. He was an 18 year old boy at the time. He could be controlled.

Internally, I suspect the regime has a fair amount of rural support given that the emancipation of the serfs is carried through and the impartial administration of the imperial bureaucrats is preferable to the corrupt gentry. I think this is true even in Italy. Could a large standing army and progressive economic policies carry the day over time? Would the 1851 revocation of the constitution happen or would it be implemented as a PR strategy? It might enhance the Austrian image among the other German states. What of the concordat? I think it might have support in the provinces but Schwarzenberg quashes it because he finds it embarrassing.

What are the strategies for governing in Germany—a coalition of Junker, South German and Austrian delegates to counter liberal movements, or does he go liberal to isolate the Junker class? Are moves made to unify foreign policy and the military, or are the member states largely left alone and power in Germany is a diffuse thing?

Foreign Policy? I say deferential to Russia to avoid a Franco-Russian alliance. Thus, it is Russia aggressing in the Balkans assured of German neutrality. They are opposed by Britain and France. The Danish question? Can Schwarzenberg obtain a better conclusion or do the other powers combine to support the Danes?

My original post was a strategic outline/plan. All those questions are do to with the mechanics of society. It will be a lot larger than that because there are just so many moving parts to society/time overall. However, now that I understand the situation comprehensively I can move it forward. I will definitely write an outline but it’s so complex when you start micro analysing and looking at small bits. The German question is the worst as well because are so many people, states and ideas it encompasses such a large amount of (convoluted) information which is not readily available because it’s such a long time ago. Believe it or not, I did find a biography of Schwarzenberg and I also found a detailed book on his 70 million Reich but that’s in German. (I am going to have to translate it)
 
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You’re absolutely right. It is hard to conceptualize how the joint executive Schwarzenberg envisioned would operate. I suspect the member states would retain broad autonomy. Imagine Austria and Prussia maintaining separate armies and foreign policies. Confusing!

I read somewhere that one school of thought for Austrian foreign policy during this era was to flatter Napoleon III in order to keep him away from foreign adventures. This was not the course taken. Perhaps it should have been—green light the marriage to Karola of Vasa?
 
how would you do for France, Russia and the British Empire to accept that great Austria, remember that the British do not like a nation to become too powerful on the continent and that Asutria if it gets an ally like France or Russia could become a power that would have the possibilities to control the continent.
 
how would you do for France, Russia and the British Empire to accept that great Austria, remember that the British do not like a nation to become too powerful on the continent and that Asutria if it gets an ally like France or Russia could become a power that would have the possibilities to control the continent.

That is why Schwarzenberg must keep his entire plan wholely secret because he risks all of the European states stepping in. However, a state of this size will naturally control the continent, but I think drifting towards creating a central and Eastern European federation of monarchies under an empire is best instead of Germanisation. The Germanisation policy, military Industrial complex (Krupp) and military dominance in the Prussia state created an urge for jingoistic expansionism. A liberal state and a liberal monarchy will avoid this, but Schwarzenberg must expand but in a calm, careful and liberal method because nationalism will just tear at those none-German areas.

I'm just imagining this empire:
  • Principality (Duchy) of Anhalt-Bernburg (inherited by the Duke of Anhalt-Dessau, 1863)
  • Principality (Duchy) of Anhalt-Dessau
  • Principality (Duchy) of Anhalt-Köthen (inherited by the Duke of Anhalt-Dessau, 1847/53)
  • Grand Duchy of Baden
  • Kingdom of Bavaria
  • Duchy of Brunswick
  • Kingdom of Hanover (including Westphalia)
  • Electorate of Hesse (also known as Hesse-Kassel)
  • Grand Duchy of Hesse (also known as Hesse-Darmstadt)
  • Hohenzollern-Hechingen
  • Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen
  • Duchy of Holstein and Duchy of Saxe-Lauenburg
  • Grand Duchy of Oldenburg
  • Principality of Liechtenstein
  • Principality of Lippe
  • Grand Duchy of Luxembourg
  • Grand Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin
  • Grand Duchy of Mecklenburg-Strelitz
  • Duchy of Nassau
  • Kingdom of Prussia
  • Principality of Reuss-Greiz, elder line
  • Principality of Reuss-Gera, younger line
  • Kingdom of Saxony (Reimbursed pre-1806 borders)
  • Grand Duchy of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach
  • Duchy of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha
  • Duchy of Saxe-Hildburghausen
  • Duchy of Saxe-Meiningen
  • County (Principality) of Schaumburg-Lippe
  • County (Principality) of Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt
  • County (Principality) of Schwarzburg-Sondershausen
  • Principality of Waldeck and Pyrmont
  • Kingdom of Württemberg
  • Landgraviate of Hesse-Homburg
  • Grand Duchy of Hesse and by Rhine
  • Free and Hanseatic City of Lübeck
  • Free City of Frankfurt
  • Free Hanseatic City of Bremen
  • Free Hanseatic City of Hamburg
Under direct rulership of the Emperor:
  • Archduchy of Austria
  • Lower Austria
  • Upper Austria
  • Duchy of Salzburg
  • Duchy of Styria
  • Princely County of Tyrol with Vorarlberg
  • Kingdom of Illyria (subdivided in 1849/1850)
  • Duchy of Carinthia
  • Duchy of Carniola
  • Littoral
  • Princely County of Gorizia and Gradisca
  • Imperial Free City of Trieste
  • Margravate of Istria
  • Lands of the Bohemian Crown (Kingdom of Bohemia, Margraviate of Moravia, Duchies of Silesia - Prussian Silesia reimbursed)
  • Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria (Duchy of Bukovina)
  • Kingdom of Hungary
  • Kingdom of Lombardy–Venetia
  • Grand Principality of Transylvania
  • Voivodeship of Serbia and Banat of Temeschwar, from 1849, merged into Hungary and Slavonia in 1860
  • Serbian Vojvodina, de facto autonomous entity 1848/49, not officially recognized
  • Banat
  • Kingdom of Slavonia
  • Kingdom of Dalmatia
If the empire goes down the route of federalizing Eastern and Southern Europe upon Ottoman and Russian collapse:
  • Kingdom of Poland
  • Kingdom of Lithuania
  • Kingdom of Yugoslavia
  • Kingdom of Romania
  • Kingdom of Bulgaria
  • Kingdom of Ukraine
  • United Baltic Duchy
I saw on this forum discussion the other day, about why Western Europe is more economically stronger than Eastern Europe. This state could completely reverse this equation, this state does not need any more territory!!!! Long down the line, it can then negotiate free trade agreements which eventually becomes a custom unions/trade bloc with the Netherlands, Belgium, Italy, France, Spain, UK, Greece, Sweden, Norway and Finland, but ultimately it has federalized the majority of Europe. The EU has not achieved federalization to this very day its a confederation. Schwarzenberg achieving Greater Austria and leading this path down dominating Europe would make him the Father of Modern Europe.
 
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You’re absolutely right. It is hard to conceptualize how the joint executive Schwarzenberg envisioned would operate. I suspect the member states would retain broad autonomy. Imagine Austria and Prussia maintaining separate armies and foreign policies. Confusing!

I read somewhere that one school of thought for Austrian foreign policy during this era was to flatter Napoleon III in order to keep him away from foreign adventures. This was not the course taken. Perhaps it should have been—green light the marriage to Karola of Vasa?

This is where the Schwarzenberg and Bismarck diplomatic battles would have been fought, Prussia would have a separate 'everything' from Austria but remember Prussia cannot really do anything now because Austria has the bigger population and is now protected by the confederation. Austria would be pulling Prussia along and for Schwarzenberg, it would have like herding cats in that executive.

In terms of Napoleon III, I kinda like French or Austrian Mexico but Carola of Vasa marrying Napoleon III. Why not but I think he'll divorce her because she sadly could not conceive.
 
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