Westward expansion was, if anything, accelerated by this from all the White Southerners fleeing to "virgin territory" in the great plains and mountain west. And yes there was still a Chinese Exclusion Act, because contrary to popular belief, racism was not limited to the South.

I'm well aware, it's just with the Federal government being determined in quelling Confederate revanchists here...

Not to mention freed blacks and their descendants in the south participating in transforming their home region into a industrial powerhouse on par with the northeast.

I don't know what I was expecting and how big a difference in racial relations was made ITL, I guess.
 
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This is quite an interesting tl and i wonder will the us still acquire alaska and hawaii and puerto rico etc?
 
1) What do US Gendarmerie uniforms look like?
2) Possible insignia of American field marshal?

1) They look a lot like the militarized police of the US in OTL today. Dark blue and white uniforms, dress blues feature peaked caps, rank insignia like the Army's, etc. Their only significant difference is that their NCOs dress blues still use a civil war style kepi.

2) Same as OTL General of the Army. The reason they're called Field Marshals instead of General of the Army is because George Marshall's career got butterflied and he becomes Secretary of Defense in 1940 and later Vice President. As a result, the concern that calling him "Marshal Marshall" would sound absurd isn't even an issue, and when the rank is created Congress simply sticks with established precedent. Five Star naval rank is still Fleet Admiral, and Five Star air rank is Air Marshal.
 
This is quite an interesting tl and i wonder will the us still acquire alaska and hawaii and puerto rico etc?

Yes. Alaska was a done deal regardless, and Hawaii is a strategic position the US has to have no matter what. Still not sure what to do about the Spanish American War.
 
Yes. Alaska was a done deal regardless, and Hawaii is a strategic position the US has to have no matter what. Still not sure what to do about the Spanish American War.
Cuba and Puerto Rico should become states. The Philippines should be eventually independent, but could be split into three states if you so desire.
 
Yes. Alaska was a done deal regardless, and Hawaii is a strategic position the US has to have no matter what. Still not sure what to do about the Spanish American War.
I think the spanish american war should happen eventually and my suggestion would be to make cuba and puerto rico a state and as for the phillipines perhaps making the sulu sultanate a state would be a very interresting since the sulu is already a us protectorate in late 18th century
 
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Lev Davidovich Bronstein (7 November [O.S. 26 October] 1879 – 21 August 1940), better known as Leon Trotsky (/ˈtrɒtski/), was a Russian socialist revolutionary and political theorist who served as President of the Soviet Union from 1932 until his death in 1944. He was the country's first democratically elected head of state following the Russian Revolution of 1929. Ideologically a socialist, he served as the president of the Social Democratic Labour Party or Yedeviks from 1929 until 1941, resigning shortly after winning his fourth term. Trotsky directed the Soviet government during most of the Great Depression, implementing his Five Year Plan to modernize the Russian economy and provide immediate relief to the populace. His third and fourth terms were dominated by World War II, which ended shortly after he died in office.

The fifth child of a Ukrainian-Jewish family of wealthy farmers in Yanovka, Trotsky was born Lev Davidovich Bronstein on 7 November 1879. After completing his education in 1895 Trotsky moved to the harbor town of Nikolayev (now Mykolaiv) on the Ukrainian coast of the Black Sea. There he became involved in socialist revolutionary politics, helping to organize the South Russian Workers' Union in Nikolayev in early 1897. In January 1898, more than 200 members of the union, including Trotsky, were arrested. While awaiting trial in Moscow, he came into contact with other revolutionaries, and joined the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party (RSDLP). In 1900, he was sentenced to four years in exile in Siberia, where he began advocating for the violent overthrow of the Tsar through foreign-based Russian language papers.
After escaping Siberia in 1902 Trotsky continued to grow as prominent revolutionary figure, and seeing his initial zenith in popularity during the First World War for his anti-war position. However, after Germany's defeat, Trotsky and other socialist revolutionaries lost a great deal of support from within Russia.

In 1919, after a failed sabotage campaign against the government, Trotsky and other revolutionaries were arrested. Trotsky was subsequently sentenced to life imprisonment for conspiring to overthrow the state, and would spend the next 10 years in prison. With the country facing economic ruin from the Great Depression, and famine sweeping the country, Tsar Nicholas II agreed to release Trotsky following the 1929 Revolution. Trotsky met with the country's socialist leaders and organized a united or Yedevik movement which drafted a new Constitution and held the country's first general election in which Trotsky became president in 1932. Leading a broad coalition which swiftly ratified the new constitution, Trotsky set to work combating the depression through the creation of a strict internal economy that ceased the export of Russian grain, while also instituting land reforms and modernize the country. Trotsky was seen internationally as a destabilizing figure, and the Russian Revolution was used by the Nazi Party to justify political repression against left-wing groups.

Trotsky hotly opposed the Munich Agreement of 1939 that ceded the Sudetenland to Germany, and worked to prepare the Soviet military and mobilize his country's economy for war. When Germany launched its invasion of Poland in 1940 Trotsky declared war and deployed the Soviet military, who suffered several grueling defeats mostly due to a failure of Soviet Intelligence to properly identify the size of Germany's forces at the time of invasion. With the US embroiled in another uprising in its interior, and the Western allies unable to mount an effective counterattack, Trotsky could do nothing to stop the German army from advancing into Russia. Trotsky commanded the people to resist at all costs, and ordered Russian factories in the country's west be dismantled or destroyed while new manufacturing was being stood up in the east. With the British and French knocked out of the war by 1942, Trotsky's health began to take a turn for the worse. He remained in Moscow for the duration of the German siege, and famously marched with Marshal Tukhachevsky when his forces finally came to the relief of Moscow in the spring of 1944. Trotsky would go on to win the a fourth term in the Soviet elections, but died in August 1944, less than five months into his fourth term. The war in Europe would continue for over another two years, during the presidency of his successor, Victor Chernov. Trotsky is held in deep respect within Russia, where he is often referred to as the "Father of the Nation". Internationally, Trotsky continued to be a well respected figure, even in the US during the early days of the Cold War with US President William L. Dawson speaking at the erection of a statue of Trotsky in Washington DC in 1952.
 
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Might i ask what happened to indonesia ittl?

Ya'll do get left out in the cold in alternate history, and I am no less guilty of that. Short version is that Japanese imperial ambitions towards Indonesia are unaffected by this timeline and the country is still occupied as it was in OTL... with one crucial difference. By 1942 the British had been capitulated to the Germans and Australia declared independence when it became clear that Japan had no plans to respect Australian sovereignty. So Australia not only gave shelter to Indonesian refugees fleeing forced labor programs by Japan, the created an entire division of ANZAC just for fighters from Indonesia. Australia and New Zealand and the Indonesian Corps fought the Japanese far more than in OTL, directly engaging in amphibious landings in New Guinea, Sumatra, and Borneo, and were seen as equal partners to the US in the Pacific theater. A few of the Indonesian fighters even joined the US-Canadian-ANZAC-Free Anglo-French forces in the invasion of France.

By war's end in 1946, Indonesia had been almost entirely liberated by ANZAC and Free-Indonesian forces, and its independence was recognized without incident. Australia and New Zealand formed the Commonwealth of Oceania with New Guinea, and were founding members of a far more united version of SEATO than in OTL.
 
Ya'll do get left out in the cold in alternate history, and I am no less guilty of that. Short version is that Japanese imperial ambitions towards Indonesia are unaffected by this timeline and the country is still occupied as it was in OTL... with one crucial difference. By 1942 the British had been capitulated to the Germans and Australia declared independence when it became clear that Japan had no plans to respect Australian sovereignty. So Australia not only gave shelter to Indonesian refugees fleeing forced labor programs by Japan, the created an entire division of ANZAC just for fighters from Indonesia. Australia and New Zealand and the Indonesian Corps fought the Japanese far more than in OTL, directly engaging in amphibious landings in New Guinea, Sumatra, and Borneo, and were seen as equal partners to the US in the Pacific theater. A few of the Indonesian fighters even joined the US-Canadian-ANZAC-Free Anglo-French forces in the invasion of France.

By war's end in 1946, Indonesia had been almost entirely liberated by ANZAC and Free-Indonesian forces, and its independence was recognized without incident. Australia and New Zealand formed the Commonwealth of Oceania with New Guinea, and were founding members of a far more united version of SEATO than in OTL.
So indonesia ittl or whatever it was called have a much more friendly relation towards the australian what happen to the dutch population livibg inside since otl they were kicked out do they still exist perhaps distincting themself luke the boers ib south africa?
 
Ya'll do get left out in the cold in alternate history, and I am no less guilty of that. Short version is that Japanese imperial ambitions towards Indonesia are unaffected by this timeline and the country is still occupied as it was in OTL... with one crucial difference. By 1942 the British had been capitulated to the Germans and Australia declared independence when it became clear that Japan had no plans to respect Australian sovereignty. So Australia not only gave shelter to Indonesian refugees fleeing forced labor programs by Japan, the created an entire division of ANZAC just for fighters from Indonesia. Australia and New Zealand and the Indonesian Corps fought the Japanese far more than in OTL, directly engaging in amphibious landings in New Guinea, Sumatra, and Borneo, and were seen as equal partners to the US in the Pacific theater. A few of the Indonesian fighters even joined the US-Canadian-ANZAC-Free Anglo-French forces in the invasion of France.

By war's end in 1946, Indonesia had been almost entirely liberated by ANZAC and Free-Indonesian forces, and its independence was recognized without incident. Australia and New Zealand formed the Commonwealth of Oceania with New Guinea, and were founding members of a far more united version of SEATO than in OTL.
Will this have any significant impact on the cold war?
 
Will this have any significant impact on the cold war?

Sortof, the more important impact is that the British were knocked out of the war in 42'. With the British capitulation to Germany, France was seen as a German collaborator and not a country with a government exile still carrying on the fight. So France, really all the European powers, were not really given a seat at the table when decolonization was brought up. Decolonization was imposed with few exceptions. In asia this translated to Indonesia, Malaysia, AND Vietnam all gaining independence right after the war. This let SEATO immediately threaten China from Southeast Asia, and containment doctrine outside of Europe looked a lot like Containment in Europe. The US just bribed the hell out of everybody with investments into infrastructure, industry, and defense in its allies. So basically you have a lot more countries that look like Japan and South Korea during the Cold War, and a smaller direct presence from the Americans.
 
Sortof, the more important impact is that the British were knocked out of the war in 42'. With the British capitulation to Germany, France was seen as a German collaborator and not a country with a government exile still carrying on the fight. So France, really all the European powers, were not really given a seat at the table when decolonization was brought up. Decolonization was imposed with few exceptions. In asia this translated to Indonesia, Malaysia, AND Vietnam all gaining independence right after the war. This let SEATO immediately threaten China from Southeast Asia, and containment doctrine outside of Europe looked a lot like Containment in Europe. The US just bribed the hell out of everybody with investments into infrastructure, industry, and defense in its allies. So basically you have a lot more countries that look like Japan and South Korea during the Cold War, and a smaller direct presence from the Americans.
That is quite an interesting look, i wonder where will the soviet look seeing that asia is well off without communism
 
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That is quite an interesting look, i wonder where will the soviet look seeing that asia is well off without communism
The Soviets aren't really communists in this TL. Leninism died in its crib and Stalin was never anything more than a gangster. The Soviet Union is more comparable to the economic system of modern Russia. Lots of state-owned services/corporations, "Democracy," and a regulated private market. The conflict with the US is far less ideological than in OTL, its more overtly a struggle for power.
 
The Soviets aren't really communists in this TL. Leninism died in its crib and Stalin was never anything more than a gangster. The Soviet Union is more comparable to the economic system of modern Russia. Lots of state-owned services/corporations, "Democracy," and a regulated private market. The conflict with the US is far less ideological than in OTL, its more overtly a struggle for power.
Oh so kinda like oligarchy then interesting i wonder will they still do wht they do otl oh nother question do the number state of the us changed or do they stay the same?
 
The Soviets aren't really communists in this TL. Leninism died in its crib and Stalin was never anything more than a gangster. The Soviet Union is more comparable to the economic system of modern Russia. Lots of state-owned services/corporations, "Democracy," and a regulated private market. The conflict with the US is far less ideological than in OTL, its more overtly a struggle for power.
But how? The Russian Revolution was a direct result of how the Eastern Front of WW1 went. If the Empire is still around in the early interwar, does this mean it did better in the war? How did that influence the borders in Eastern Europe, pre-WW2 and after it?
 
But how? The Russian Revolution was a direct result of how the Eastern Front of WW1 went. If the Empire is still around in the early interwar, does this mean it did better in the war? How did that influence the borders in Eastern Europe, pre-WW2 and after it?

WW1 was not the same war we saw in OTL. See with the US having gone all in on Reconstruction, a lot of politicians never got the careers they would have had in OTL because black folks in the South had secure voting rights. One such politician was Woodrow Wilson. So Teddy Roosevelt after being elected in 1904 almost immediately brings the US into the Entente, and the war ends up starting over a bigger Agadir Crisis in 1912, with an American frigate being sunk by the Germans during the naval confrontation. The US enters WWI immediately and its over by 1915. Russia doesn't suffer a humiliating defeat at Tannenberg, and the Marxists are arrested not long after the war.

Russia directly annexes Danzig and upper Silesia, and is charged with the joint occupation of Constantinople with Britain, France, and the US.
 
WW1 was not the same war we saw in OTL. See with the US having gone all in on Reconstruction, a lot of politicians never got the careers they would have had in OTL because black folks in the South had secure voting rights. One such politician was Woodrow Wilson. So Teddy Roosevelt after being elected in 1904 almost immediately brings the US into the Entente, and the war ends up starting over a bigger Agadir Crisis in 1912, with an American frigate being sunk by the Germans during the naval confrontation. The US enters WWI immediately and its over by 1915. Russia doesn't suffer a humiliating defeat at Tannenberg, and the Marxists are arrested not long after the war.

Russia directly annexes Danzig and upper Silesia, and is charged with the joint occupation of Constantinople with Britain, France, and the US.
I see. What about other Eastern European countries (read: mainly Poland, but others too)? What happened to them in the post-WW1 peace? How (if at all) did their borders post-WW1 change after WW2?
 
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I wonder do the royal family managed to fled to safety to other country or the us or do they still got murdered
 
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