Grand Registry of American Civil War trivia

No, because the Tsar abolished serfdom...in 1861, so he was fighting the same fight at more or less the same time as Lincoln.
Not strictly speaking accurate.
Serfdom was abolished on Private Land in 1861. It remained on State (ie owned by the Tsar, 1/2 of the total) Land until 1866.
And not uniformly throughout the Empire, Georgia did not abolish Serfdom until 1864, gradually to 1871, and not before 1892 in all Russian Provinces!
 
* Morocco, despite having been one of the first countries the young U.S. had fought after independence, resolutely affirmed support for the Union over the Confederacy.

The U.S. never fought a war with Morocco, which was independent at the time and was the first country to recognize U.S. independence. In the late 1780s, they actually began escorting American-flagged merchant ships in the Mediterranean and western Atlantic to protect them from Barbary Coast pirates.
 
Not strictly speaking accurate.
Serfdom was abolished on Private Land in 1861. It remained on State (ie owned by the Tsar, 1/2 of the total) Land until 1866.
And not uniformly throughout the Empire, Georgia did not abolish Serfdom until 1864, gradually to 1871, and not before 1892 in all Russian Provinces!

If anything, that makes my point even better, since it shows that Alexander II was making an ongoing commitment to oppose serfdom concurrent with the Civil War.
 

Skallagrim

Banned
Not strictly speaking accurate.
Serfdom was abolished on Private Land in 1861. It remained on State (ie owned by the Tsar, 1/2 of the total) Land until 1866.
And not uniformly throughout the Empire, Georgia did not abolish Serfdom until 1864, gradually to 1871, and not before 1892 in all Russian Provinces!

True. Of course, in 1861, Lincoln was still very explicitly stating that he was not fighting to free the slaves (but to reunite the seceded states with the Union). And much like the Russian partial abolition that did not extend to the Tsar's own land, the later Emancipation Proclamation in America also served to abolish slavery in the seceded states... and did not extend to slave states in the Union. (And it included an explicit offer for seceded states to return to the fold, which would mean the Proclamation would no longer pertain to them.)

So in many ways, Lincoln and the Tsar did have (or seemed to have) a lot in common: they were both vocal about their dislike for the institution (be it slavery or serfdom), they both first implemented partial measures that some would call a bit hypocritical, and they both claimed to genarally favour gradual measures over drastic ones. They also worked hard to enact more far-reaching and universal steps anyway (13th amendment, 1865 & abolition of serfdom on state land, 1866).

The fact remains that it's not really ironic that the Tsar would want to side with Lincoln.
 

Saphroneth

Banned
The fact remains that it's not really ironic that the Tsar would want to side with Lincoln.
Though opposing Britain vocally on grounds of aristocracy while being good friends with the Autocrat Of All The Russias is at least an example of something a bit odd-sounding.
 
Amazingly they let Joseph Wheeler back into the army at age 61 and he served in Cuba and the Philippines.
 
Amazingly they let Joseph Wheeler back into the army at age 61 and he served in Cuba and the Philippines.

61's not that old by the standards of generals, is it? I mean, old, but not prohibitively so, as I understand it.

I always thought it was cool that Winfield Scott came up with the Anaconda Plan that was the Union's winning strategy.

Would that his health had been in better shape, so that Halleck wouldn't have replaced him.
 
61's not that old by the standards of generals, is it? I mean, old, but not prohibitively so, as I understand it.
It wouldn't have been unheard of. The fun part is of course that Wheeler's last service was with the Confederate army.
 
It wouldn't have been unheard of. The fun part is of course that Wheeler's last service was with the Confederate army.

I think I read that he accidentally called the Spanish "the Yanks" when rallying the troops. Force of habit, I guess.
 

Saphroneth

Banned
I've read somewhere that early on some Union cavalry regiments were set up as lancers for want of sabres, because nobody had tens of thousands of sabres lying around...
 
I think I read that he accidentally called the Spanish "the Yanks" when rallying the troops. Force of habit, I guess.

Allegedly, when he was winning, he got so riled up an excited that he yelled "Let's go boys! We got the Damn Yankees on the run again!", despite, you know, fighting the spanish.

I haven't seen anything really confirming or denying it.
 

Saphroneth

Banned
It wouldn't be the first time. IIRC a British general in the Crimea referred to the Russians as "the French"... Bit of a faux pas.

Oh. One Union campaign had to be cancelled because some canal barges were four inches too wide.
 
Those wargamer AH types at Avalanche Press had written a scenario with Union elephants from Siam in the Civil War, as well as clarifying its history:

In 1850, the British and Americans both demanded further concessions. Rama III died the next year, leaving the problem to his younger brother, Mongkut, who had spent the previous 27 years as a Buddhist monk. Mongkut, taking the name Rama IV, came to the throne already 47 years old. But he had acquired a wide range of knowledge during this time in yellow robes, speaking and reading several European languages with a sound grasp of their politics and cultures.

Beset by powerful colonial powers on either flank, Mongkut sought connections to other powers that might help redress the balance of power. British desires for commercial hegemony seemed less harmful to his kingdom's independence than France's record of conquest in southern Vietnam, and in 1855 the king gave them the treaty they sought. But the French took Saigon in 1859 and looked likely to press deeper into modern-day Cambodia, then ruled by Siam.

And so Mongkut sent a proposal to Washington, addressed to President James Buchanan. The United States should import Siamese elephants, the king suggested, as they could provide valuable labor in undeveloped areas just as they did at home. Lincoln, in office by the time the Siamese letter arrived, politely declined and noted that steam power could fulfill the same needs.

Mongkut's proposal had much greater merit than Lincoln and later amused writers have allowed. The elephant is a famously hard worker, and in the days before electrification and the internal combustion engine it offered a very mobile heavyweight force for lifting and carrying. Trade in elephants would have established a connection to a non-European power, something the king deeply desired, and forged ties outside Britain or France.

The king did not offer war elephants, but his army did employ them, chiefly in the artillery branch and in the supply train. Elephants pulled heavy artillery, and at times went into battle with light cannon mounted on platforms on their backs. The Siamese general Tengu Kudin deployed elephants bearing light artillery at Kuala Kedah on the Malay Peninsula in 1839 helped crush the fortress garrison of Malay rebels and Rajput mercenaries. Royal Navy observers reported that the Siamese infantry was well-armed with modern muskets, and used the elephant-mounted artillery to spearhead their assault.

Against a modern enemy — as Siamese troops faced during the 1893 loss of Laos to the French — elephants proved fantastically vulnerable to both artillery and rifle fire. But against poorly armed rebels they were extremely intimidating, and even effective against Rajput professionals armed with muzzle-loaders.
 

Gaius Julius Magnus

Gone Fishin'
Franklin Buchanan, a Captain in the U.S. Navy, tried to recall his resignation when his home state Maryland didn't secede but the new Secretary of the Navy, Gideon Welles, refused because he stated didn't want half-hearted patriots in his navy.
 
Engineer Charles Ellet organized a squadron of steam-powered rams for the Union Navy's Mississippi river flotilla. All the captains in the force were named Elllet: himself, and his sons, brothers, and nephews. At the battle of Memphis, four Ellet rams helped sink several Confederate warships. Ellet was wounded by a pistol shot, and died a few days later of the wound and a case of measles - the only Union casualty of the battle.
 
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