Gothic-Roman names

Hello! I have a question for the more knowledgeable members of the board:

Which language would a Ostro- and Visigothic influenced Latin language resemble the most? I am trying to think of names for rulers, but don't know whether to go with Occitans (they are centered in Barcelona, rule all of Aquitanensis) or the Spanish names (Catalan, Castillian etc).
 
Hello! I have a question for the more knowledgeable members of the board:

Which language would a Ostro- and Visigothic influenced Latin language resemble the most? I am trying to think of names for rulers, but don't know whether to go with Occitans (they are centered in Barcelona, rule all of Aquitanensis) or the Spanish names (Catalan, Castillian etc).

I think Spanish has it pretty close. Quite a few of the most popular surnames are actually of Germanic origin, like Rodriguez.
 
I think the bigger question is where the Goths end up settling. Spanish has some Gothic influence, but much more of its distionctness is owerd to Arab/Berrber influence and the development Latin took in the peninsula as opposed to Italy and France. The Germanic influence that Frankish had on Occitan and Lombard on Italian is hard to distinguish from that Gothic had on Spanish. My guess is the language will not owe so much to being specifically gothic-influienced as it will to having emerged where it did. a Tolosan kingdom will speak something more like Middle Occitan an Italian one Middle (Tuscan or Lombard) Italian etc.
 
One of my many random alt history idea is what if they settled in modern east europe, like Poland... Wonder if a Gothic state/nation-culture could survive after the slavs came and Drag Nacht Osten.
 
For the names of gothic rulers in any part of Romania, just goes full german names with latinisation.

Exceptionally, you could have a mix of a german and roman radical, but it's limited to some alliances : remember that up to the VIII the german names united a part of the name of patrilinear line and matrilinear line.

So, the son of Wilhelm and the grand son by his mother of Camillo could be named "Wilhelmillo". Such a mix is still rare, as you have quickly the dominance of a line on another (whatever roman or not, northern visigothic lines used basque names for their children, just like Jimeno)

All matter here is

1)Which line is dominant
2)What is the ethnic origin of the other line

The gothic nobles never managed to create a proper germano-roman culture, as they were or isolated and reproducing themselves, or allying with local (romans, basques, whatever) and merged.
 
They are largely settled in Aquitaine-Catalonia, with capital at Barca; I'll go with more Occitan-style names. They're definitely going to Romanize, but since I am trying to use OTL language for my own benefit I needed a good equivalent.

I think I'll latinize some Gothic names, and then stick with some Occitan names as well for rulers. Thanks, all!
 
They are largely settled in Aquitaine-Catalonia, with capital at Barca
Err...No they didn't.

Except in the borders as Septimania/Aquitania border, plus the central plateau of Spain...You don't have trace of a large settlement. At the contrary they were quite dispersed.
 
Err...No they didn't.

Except in the borders as Septimania/Aquitania border, plus the central plateau of Spain...You don't have trace of a large settlement. At the contrary they were quite dispersed.

I've read that the basic Roman peasantry stayed on and simply took on new land owners. There's a theory that some of the Barbarian migrations was more a migration of Elites, and that the Germanic peasantry mainly stayed in Germany.
 
I've read that the basic Roman peasantry stayed on and simply took on new land owners. There's a theory that some of the Barbarian migrations was more a migration of Elites, and that the Germanic peasantry mainly stayed in Germany.

That's not even exactly that. The german elites were mainly military ones and the old roman land-owner standed. The two co-existed and created alliances (that annoyed a lot the rulers that saw there, with reason, a challenge to their power).

But for germanic peasantry, yes you had entiere peoples coming in Romania. The issue was these people were really few numbered and quickly formed confederations as the Goths or even confederation of confederation as the Alemanii. It's quite clear that man Goths distinguished themselves only from romano-celts peasant by their "gothicness". And their weapons.

But among the barbarians you had a mixed ethnicity : many slavs, romans joined the invading peoples and were hardly distinguishable after 1 generation.
 
One of my many random alt history idea is what if they settled in modern east europe, like Poland... Wonder if a Gothic state/nation-culture could survive after the slavs came and Drag Nacht Osten.


One actually did in the Crimea. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Goths

It's up for debate if they're actually Goths or a different Germanic people influenced by the Goths, but the language has definite Gothic/East Germanic elements, so said Goths were there for a good long while in any event and probably well past when the other Gothic states were conquered.

See also: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1134/is_3_110/ai_73064217/ It's worth noting that Biblical Gothic was based off of Visigothic while Crimean Gothic was based off of Ostrogothic so that might account for some differences as well.
 
It's up for debate if they're actually Goths or a different Germanic people influenced by the Goths, but the language has definite Gothic/East Germanic elements, so said Goths were there for a good long while in any event and probably well past when the other Gothic states were conquered.
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Probably the Crimean Goths were a mix of Goths, Slavs and other peoples as every people in this aera, with the Goths serving as catalyser.

And the gothic aspect of the Visigoths and Ostroghts changed a lot when they entered in Romania, and mixed themselves with other peoples (Romans, Celts, Basques, Herulii, etc.) so Crimean Goths are a good clue about what they could had become, but pretty useless when it comes to Romano-Goths proper.
 
I probably should have mentioned this is for an ATL- they settled in a pattern contrary to OTL- scattered, but with capital at Barca, and control from Massalia to the Ebro north to the Via Agrippa.

So yeah- basically Romanized Goths. That become ATL Occitan-Catalans, I suppose.
 
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