Gorings Reich (Part 2) Heartland versus Rimland

IMHO the Western Allies will take this. The French will be happy to get most of France back without further damage, and the low countries and Denmark get their freedom and the 10 year very small Luftwaffe bases can be dealt with. The various arms restrictions in Europe will please the Europeans so as to cut military expenditures. Frankly none of the Allies are going to be willing to continue to bleed to free Eastern Europe and the USSR. The unlimited naval forces for the Allies is Göring giving away something he could not control anyways, notice nothing said about U-boats. If this proposal is accepted, better believe Dr von Braun and co. will be given plenty of $$ to build long range missiles which will get around these location limits, and also spending for the Horten brothers and others in heavy long range jets will be there. Of course Heisenberg and his merry men will be very busy beavers indeed, with spanking new research facilities built in the east (Poland) as well as expendables for tasks where radiation might be a tad high.

Taking Jews, Gypsies, Slavs by the Allies will be something they have to swallow, of course one wonders how many of them are left in territory the Germans will keep at this point - and I imagine every country on the Allied side will get a quota assigned and would anyone care to bet whether or not the US, France, and UK/empire manage to cherry pick the most valuable ones (educated, skilled etc).
 
I'm sure that the Wallies would accept restrictions on troop levels.
They lost a lot of fighting men - actually they have lost a lot of men, period. Also, War Fatigue is probably through the roof for most of the Europeans. They can't keep on war footing indefinitely. A military reduction is actually needed.
Germany and Friends still keep fighting because they feel they're with the back to the wall, and the Eastern Europeans would probably suffer the brunt of Russian retribution if they try to have another go West, so they'll keep at it.
I'm not sure about the USA, but I think the rest of the Allies will grab the opportunity with both hands, even if to gird themselves for Round III in 20 years or so.
 
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It's a decent deal. I think it'll come down to war weariness like others have said, as the British are getting near to a breaking point. The USA could go on longer but the realities of the situation are fighting against them.
 
authors note: my general feeling is that the Europeans, including the British, would take this, hoping that the American atomic weapons will protect them if nothing else. The Americans, and to a lesser extent, the more foresighted Europeans, will be at least deeply concerned about the near certainty that the Germans will get the bomb. However, the Americans cannot fight on without strong European support. There is also in OTL a lot of war weariness that expressed itself in the US after VE Day that made Operation Downfall against Japan riskier in American political terms than many realize.
 
Seems a bit amateurish to me for Goering to offer everything he feels he can afford to give up right away. He should hold back on Holland and Nederland as negotiating points.
 
Seems a bit amateurish to me for Goering to offer everything he feels he can afford to give up right away. He should hold back on Holland and Nederland as negotiating points.

Do you mean The Netherlands and Belgium? Anyway, I think he wants to avoid the Wallies refusing his offer right out of hand and that's why he gave up the Low Countries.
 
Yes, Belgium and Nederland. I also should have included Danmark. Still a fairly decent offer that shouldn't be rejected out of hand. It's a good starting point for negotiations and offers not having to fight all the way into Deutschland without the Soviets distraction.
 

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I dunno. I really can't see the Wallies going for any deal short of Germany's full surrender.

At this point, no one trusts the Nazis to honor any treaty they make. Yes, there's war weariness but there's also the recognition that any "truce" will only mean giving the Nazis the time they need to rearm and build back up to attack everyone again.

With their economies fully mobilized and their armies both experienced and in the field, I really can't see the Western Allies agreeing to stop the war at this point.

Yes, the Soviets getting knocked out would've been a horrendous blow to the war effort. But the Red Air Force lacked the ability to take the Soviet Union's gas and chemical weapons arsenal into Germany's heartland. The Brits and the US do have that ability. So if the Nazis try such weapons on the Wallies there'll be hell to pay throughout Germany for it. In fact, this might be the Wallies preferred mode of attack to counter suddenly having to face all of the Wehrmacht on their own - "gas 'em all" could be the rallying cry. And it'd be a heckuvalot more appealing than having to slog through the German empire conventionally.
 
Try that and London will be a chemical wasteland, especially with German rocket development. The US may be willing to "pay" that price, but the British sure won't. They are actually close to surrendering themselves in this timeline. Any British MP that even hears the rumour of strategic use of chemical or biological weapons will call for a vote of no confidence. The Free French will also oppose, since any biological agent can kill millions of Frenchmen as much as Germans.

And as for nuclear bombardment, the WAllies first have to make sure to get full and unopposed air superiority, which they don't have.
 
This certainly ends up at a darker place than Calbear's. But I think it might be a version of the same thing in the end. Don't believe long term that any peace with Nazi Germany could last.
 
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