"Goring's Reich" An Alternate World War II

[galveston bay]

authors note: Why not give peace a chance?

Because in OTL, the Japanese and Germans ruled by Japanese militarism and German Nazi ideology tied to traditional Prussian militarism was recognized as evil. Period. No gray areas at all.

In case you haven't run across this, there were serious discussions and indeed Eisenhower himself thought that lining up the entire German General Staff and shooting them was a price the Germans should pay at the end of the war. It wasn't just the Nazis that the Anglo-Americans thought were evil, but the entire Prussian officer corps who the English speaking nations blamed in large part for both World Wars. There being plenty of bullets, shooting the Nazis first was just fine, but shooting the General Staff was not easily dismissed. No one in the West was terribly upset about the Soviet conquest of East Prussia, or the ejection of the Prussians who didn't flee during the Soviet invasion after the war.

There was a huge sense of 'they deserved it'

The book "Hitlers Willing Executioners" goes into detail about the crimes the Wehrmacht committed and generally speaking the Generals either turned a blind eye or actively supported them. One of the reasons that the plotters of July 20 are such heroes is not only did they reject the Nazis, but they also rejected a great deal of the traditional German military ethos that had developed over the last century regarding the treatment of civilians. That they failed and became martyrs is tragic, but that they were willing to sacrifice all makes them admirable. At least to me.

Toss in that the Germans attacked first in the West, and there you go. No peace with the German Reich. Especially one as powerful as this.

Japan is even easier. There is of course the racial element, but really the list of Japanese atrocities in OTL is horrifically long and awful, and in this timeline they have more people to commit atrocities on. Toss in the fact that they attacked without so much as a declaration of war, and have bombed or destroyed cities full of White people (Seattle, Darwin) not to mention killed large numbers of other White people (Hong Kong, Calcutta, Rangoon and elsewhere) and reckoning is coming for them.

Of course the really serious bloodletting has not even begun yet as even though there as been fierce fighting, the Allied bomber offensive hasn't started, the really costly island battles in the Pacific and the Liberation of Europe is in the future, and that does not even count what will happen when the war in the East starts again.

So while the Allies are firm in their resolve now a lot can still happen to weaken it. Indeed the Germans remain a highly dangerous threat and while the Japanese seem to have stalled, no one is writing off their capabilities either.

 

[galveston bay]

authors notes: German jets and buzz bombs.

I have not altered the timeline for the Me262 or V1 at this point. Both have developed as they did historically so far. The major difference for German jet engine development is going to be the more wide spread availability of vital materials like chromium, which you need for high temperature alloys. The prototypes used a lot of rare metals, but the production models had to make do with far less which delayed production of the jet engines, and also meant that the aircraft in service went through engines very quickly, as often as every flight in some cases. More rare metals and more access to alloys will mean more jets that are more operationally efficient and reliable. This will not win the Germans the war. But it will make things more difficult.

Chromium is a big reason that the Germans just haven't gone ahead an conquered Turkey, as the Turks are bribing them with chromium in hopes that the Germans won't be willing to risk the shut down of mining operations (thus creating scarcity)

That and the Anatolian Plateau is rugged, has a mediocre road system and few rail lines are a factor in making the Germans consider and reconsider such an option.

So the Japanese will have the V1 (which they did not in OTL) which is a far superior kamikaze than the Okha in terms of range and payload, and yes indeed the initial test flights of the V1 were manned. The Japanese will certainly use them as Kamikazes late war. As to Japanese jet fighters.. they actually did have a Me262 type jet. It was smaller, and had less range and even worse engines, but for an interceptor to shoot up B29s or as a kamikaze it would have been pretty scary. The Bombing of Hiroshima kept them out of production, along with shortages in the materials needed to make engines, and the fact that the Americans were bombing anything they could discover such as factories.

This gives the Japanese a better jet engine as a working model to draw from instead of plans. This doesn't mean that there will be thousands or even hundreds of Japanese jet fighters in 1944 or even 1945. But there will be some...

 

[CrimsonKing]

Looking back, Goring's big mistake was not stopping to consolidate after the fall of France. The area under Germany's control at that time, the area it had control of after the Fall of France OTL, plus Ukraine, Belarussia, and the Baltic countries, has the potential, if properly integrated with the necessary infrastructure, to equal or even surpass the US. If he had called off the naval war to concentrate on the air war and the fighting in the Mediterranean, the US probably wouldn't have been brought in and a peace of exhaustion with Britain could have been obtained. After that, a period of say, around a decade would have sufficed to finish the industrialization of the eastern territories and integrate the manpower of friendly ethnicities such as Ukrainians into the German armed forces. Then the Anglo-Americans could have been confronted on more or less equal terms. Instead, he brought on war with America too early, and the Allies are now bent on, and have (if barely) the capability to bring about, the Third Reich's destruction.

 

[galveston bay]

Looking back, Goring's big mistake was not stopping to consolidate after the fall of France. The area under Germany's control at that time, the area it had control of after the Fall of France OTL, plus Ukraine, Belarussia, and the Baltic countries, has the potential, if properly integrated with the necessary infrastructure, to equal or even surpass the US. If he had called off the naval war to concentrate on the air war and the fighting in the Mediterranean, the US probably wouldn't have been brought in and a peace of exhaustion with Britain could have been obtained. After that, a period of say, around a decade would have sufficed to finish the industrialization of the eastern territories and integrate the manpower of friendly ethnicities such as Ukrainians into the German armed forces. Then the Anglo-Americans could have been confronted on more or less equal terms. Instead, he brought on war with America too early, and the Allies are now bent on, and have (if barely) the capability to bring about, the Third Reich's destruction.

I based his decision on how he acted in OTL, where he too thought that the British would sue for peace if pushed, and he pushed as hard as he could. (Hitler of course bought this more thoroughly)

there is one major difference here though.... in OTL Hitler was recognized as essentially Satanic by the major figures of the day in the West. There would never be peace with Hitler short of his winning the war or his death. Goring isn't seen as that evil, but merely demonic instead of Satanic. This also of course means that the Germans aren't going to be able to just blame Hitler for everything if the government is toppled. The Generals and Admirals are as guilty as Goring in this timeline. On the other hand if a true stalemate occurs, there is a possibility of another truce or even a Cold War after a peace treaty.

But to find out you will just have to see

 

[CrimsonKing]

I based his decision on how he acted in OTL, where he too thought that the British would sue for peace if pushed, and he pushed as hard as he could. (Hitler of course bought this more thoroughly)

there is one major difference here though.... in OTL Hitler was recognized as essentially Satanic by the major figures of the day in the West. There would never be peace with Hitler short of his winning the war or his death. Goring isn't seen as that evil, but merely demonic instead of Satanic. This also of course means that the Germans aren't going to be able to just blame Hitler for everything if the government is toppled. The Generals and Admirals are as guilty as Goring in this timeline. On the other hand if a true stalemate occurs, there is a possibility of another truce or even a Cold War after a peace treaty.

But to find out you will just have to see

Oh, I'm not saying his actions in TTL are unrealistic, far from it. Heck, if I were put in his place without the benefit of knowing either the course of OTL WW2 or what happened next in TTL, I might very well have thought and done the same things. I'm just laying out what the ideal course of action would have been with the benefit of hindsight.

 

[galveston bay]

Oh, I'm not saying his actions in TTL are unrealistic, far from it. Heck, if I were put in his place without the benefit of knowing either the course of OTL WW2 or what happened next in TTL, I might very well have thought and done the same things. I'm just laying out what the ideal course of action would have been with the benefit of hindsight.

I agree with you....

I am trying as much as I can not to give anyone 20/20 hindsight. I suspect there is some of that in this timeline, but I doing my best not to let it leak in.

Ideally not attacking the West or waiting a bit longer would have been an optimal strategy too. But that wouldn't have been realistic for the German decision makers of that era I think. One reason Hitler and the Nazis were popular is because a lot of Germans were all for beating up France in revenge for losing (ignoring one of the big reasons for the last war which was France wanting to get even with Germany). But History is a tough teacher sometimes.

 

[Zowert]

The Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine are part of the Wehrmacht. Heer is the Army branch within the Wehrmacht.

 

[galveston bay]

The Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine are part of the Wehrmacht. Heer is the Army branch within the Wehrmacht.

true but most people think Army when they read Wehrmacht, while the other two branches are readily identifiable

 

[Sticky37]

I'm very sad to say this, but I think I'm going to have to stop reading this timeline. The lines insinuating that the German general staff were just as culpable as the SS and einsatzgruppen in the horrible crimes that were committed threw me over the edge.

The German soldier was not evil nor was he perfect. He was simply human. He was no different from the British airmen over Dresden. He was not any less capable of mercy than the American G.I.'s that refused to take Japanese prisoners. He was not any more barbaric than the Siberian soldiers that raped women and children. For the most part his only crime was being on the wrong side of history.

You are an extremely talented writer. In my opinion you are probably the best writer on this forum. I just can't continue to follow this story.
I'm sorry.

 

[cortz#9]

authors note: Why not give peace a chance?

Because in OTL, the Japanese and Germans ruled by Japanese militarism and German Nazi ideology tied to traditional Prussian militarism was recognized as evil. Period. No gray areas at all.

In case you haven't run across this, there were serious discussions and indeed Eisenhower himself thought that lining up the entire German General Staff and shooting them was a price the Germans should pay at the end of the war. It wasn't just the Nazis that the Anglo-Americans thought were evil, but the entire Prussian officer corps who the English speaking nations blamed in large part for both World Wars. There being plenty of bullets, shooting the Nazis first was just fine, but shooting the General Staff was not easily dismissed. No one in the West was terribly upset about the Soviet conquest of East Prussia, or the ejection of the Prussians who didn't flee during the Soviet invasion after the war.

There was a huge sense of 'they deserved it'

The book "Hitlers Willing Executioners" goes into detail about the crimes the Wehrmacht committed and generally speaking the Generals either turned a blind eye or actively supported them. One of the reasons that the plotters of July 20 are such heroes is not only did they reject the Nazis, but they also rejected a great deal of the traditional German military ethos that had developed over the last century regarding the treatment of civilians. That they failed and became martyrs is tragic, but that they were willing to sacrifice all makes them admirable. At least to me.

Toss in that the Germans attacked first in the West, and there you go. No peace with the German Reich. Especially one as powerful as this.

Japan is even easier. There is of course the racial element, but really the list of Japanese atrocities in OTL is horrifically long and awful, and in this timeline they have more people to commit atrocities on. Toss in the fact that they attacked without so much as a declaration of war, and have bombed or destroyed cities full of White people (Seattle, Darwin) not to mention killed large numbers of other White people (Hong Kong, Calcutta, Rangoon and elsewhere) and reckoning is coming for them.

Of course the really serious bloodletting has not even begun yet as even though there as been fierce fighting, the Allied bomber offensive hasn't started, the really costly island battles in the Pacific and the Liberation of Europe is in the future, and that does not even count what will happen when the war in the East starts again.

So while the Allies are firm in their resolve now a lot can still happen to weaken it. Indeed the Germans remain a highly dangerous threat and while the Japanese seem to have stalled, no one is writing off their capabilities either.

True enough but when you had the Allies agree to a cease fire and a prisoner exchange, you gave me the impression that the Allies of this timeline were not filled with the same resolve as those of OTL. I personally don't think the Allies would ever have agreed to the cease fire or the prisoner exchange, especially against a Germany that is not fighting against the Soviet Union at the same time but that's just my two cents and I'm still enjoying this TL and looking forward to more.

true but most people think Army when they read Wehrmacht, while the other two branches are readily identifiable

Again true enough.

I'm very sad to say this, but I think I'm going to have to stop reading this timeline. The lines insinuating that the German general staff were just as culpable as the SS and einsatzgruppen in the horrible crimes that were committed threw me over the edge.

The German soldier was not evil nor was he perfect. He was simply human. He was no different from the British airmen over Dresden. He was not any less capable of mercy than the American G.I.'s that refused to take Japanese prisoners. He was not any more barbaric than the Siberian soldiers that raped women and children. For the most part his only crime was being on the wrong side of history.

You are an extremely talented writer. In my opinion you are probably the best writer on this forum. I just can't continue to follow this story.
I'm sorry.

I agree that the German soldier was not the stereotype monster that a lot film and TV shows depict him as but the German General staff did have a lot of evil men of little moral worth. They were not all like that but many of them in particular the Prussians were, they may not have been true Nazis (as Hitler would define the word) but they were racist warmongers and as guilty of crimes against humanity as much as the true Nazis were.
I think Rommel was one of the few exceptions and not surprisingly he wasn't a Prussian or from a military family.

 

[NoMommsen]

I agree that the German soldier was not the stereotype monster that a lot film and TV shows depict him as but the German General staff did have a lot of evil men of little moral worth. They were not all like that but many of them in particular the Prussians were, they may not have been true Nazis (as Hitler would define the word) but they were racist warmongers and as guilty of crimes against humanity as much as the true Nazis were.
I think Rommel was one of the few exceptions and not surprisingly he wasn't a Prussian or from a military family.

And the STAVKA generals and marshals knew exactly what happened in the GULAGS.
And bomber Harris deliberatly aimed at killing as much civilians as possible.

Your judgement, not assessment is based on the victors propagande reaching back to WW I, by the same people who invented the concentration camps for women and children during the Boer wars.

If you want to assess their doings, do it the standards of their time, the time of "segregation" in the US, the time when Chamberlain blamed - behind his hand - the jews for being drawn into his political mess, the time the japanese even they were partner victors in WW I were not given racial equality (ToV)

and not of your today standards.

That's just ... utterly unprofessional M8.

 

[cortz#9]

And the STAVKA generals and marshals knew exactly what happened in the GULAGS.
And bomber Harris deliberatly aimed at killing as much civilians as possible.

Your judgement, not assessment is based on the victors propagande reaching back to WW I, by the same people who invented the concentration camps for women and children during the Boer wars.

If you want to assess their doings, do it the standards of their time, the time of "segregation" in the US, the time when Chamberlain blamed - behind his hand - the jews for being drawn into his political mess, the time the japanese even they were partner victors in WW I were not given racial equality (ToV)

and not of your today standards.

That's just ... utterly unprofessional M8.

Lol! If you knew how many times I've defended German military personal you would realize how amusing I find your post. I'm not saying all the German generals or even all the Prussian generals were evil but a lot of them had no problems with what the Nazis were doing in the East and yes a lot of allied generals were IMHO war criminals as well, Patton condone the raping of German women by his troops saying it was the right of the victors to do so but two wrongs don't make a right.
I used to think generals like Manstein, von Runsdsted and Guderian were honorable soldiers who were just fighting for the wrong side but they weren't, they broke their own code of honor and they knew they were doing it.
There were many honorable German officers and some of them IMO were wrongly imprisoned and executed but there were many guilty ones as well.

 

[galveston bay]

too avoid derailing the thread this is what I based my assessment of the Heer as an institution (less so the Luftwaffe and Kreigsmarine)

From "A World at Arms:A Global History of World War II" (which I happen to be reading right now) page 300
"By February 1942, of the 3.9 million Soviet soldiers captured up to then by the Germans, the vast majority, some 2.8 million, were dead. At a quarter of a million had been shot; the others had died under the horrible conditions imposed on them by the Germans." followed by "careful scrutiny of the contemporary evidence makes it clear that this atrocity of vast proportions was carried out with the willing, even enthusiastic, participation of the German army, police, and civilian authorities. There were indeed exceptional individuals who objected and in some instances tried to alleviate the situation, but their minute number only underlines the broad consensus between the military and the civilian leadership."

I have read "Hitlers Willing Executioners" and I have read some of the source material Weinberg is discussing above. The Heer was guilty of vast warcrimes on a huge scale all across the Eastern Front for the majority of the war. This doesn't even touch on the savage partisan war, or the mass executions of hostages elsewhere in Europe (including on Crete by General Student after Crete fell)

There is much to admire in the Heer and the average Landser in both World Wars, but as an institution the Heer has a lot to answer for. The Generals were not just complicite either. They signed and enforced the Kommisar Order, which called for execution of captured prisoners. They all too often went along with the Kommando Order as well. To name just a handful of instances.

Sure, you can argue all day about Allied bombings and mass slaughters of civilians in those bombings. But as Max Hastings put it so very well... the minute the war ended the Allies stopped killing. If the Nazis and Japanese militarists had their way the killing would probably still be going on.

Make no mistake.. Goring was a Nazi. I have tried to make that clear in this thread that while Hitler was literally satanic, his minions were still high on the evil scale, and the Wehrmacht, all of the branches, had the power to stop it, failed to do so, cooperated with that evil, furthered it in many cases, and ultimately have a big part of the responsibility for the destruction of the Third Reich and so many German lives because of it.

This thread has never been about 'wouldn't it be cool if the Nazis won" or glorifying the war of aggressive and evil conquest waged by the Axis powers. It is a serious look at would could have been.

That is about all I need to say on this subject, but now you know where I stand at least.

 

[galveston bay]

And the STAVKA generals and marshals knew exactly what happened in the GULAGS.
And bomber Harris deliberatly aimed at killing as much civilians as possible.

Your judgement, not assessment is based on the victors propagande reaching back to WW I, by the same people who invented the concentration camps for women and children during the Boer wars.

If you want to assess their doings, do it the standards of their time, the time of "segregation" in the US, the time when Chamberlain blamed - behind his hand - the jews for being drawn into his political mess, the time the japanese even they were partner victors in WW I were not given racial equality (ToV)

and not of your today standards.

That's just ... utterly unprofessional M8.

the Soviet generals knew first hand about the Gulags because a hell of a lot of them were in them when the Germans invaded. Bomber Harris did indeed look for mass casualties... but in his case you must ask yourself why? His stated reason and the reason the Allied governments went along with it was to end the war as quickly as possible. Churchill was appalled and so was Eisenhower about Dresden, because they saw that it had little purpose toward that end (ending the war). Note that no further mass bombing raids occurred after Dresden and it wasn't just because the Allies had run out of targets. The mass slaughters on the Eastern front of POWs and civilians were not about winning the war. They were about removing people who were in the way for racial and political purposes.

As to using our 21st Century standards of morality.... even the Soviets were appalled by Auschwitz and Treblinka and there was widespread feeling during the war that the Nazis were actually evil. Certainly the July 20 Plotters thought so.

Bottom line, you can't compare British incompetence (the principal reasons for the deaths in the Boer concentration camps) to organized and planned murder on an industrial scale. It doesn't wash. It isn't just propaganda. It is fact based on so much evidence that any attempt to whitewash it, or justify it on the grounds of "well you guys did it first' is a statement based only on political or emotional belief, not objective historical fact.

 

[galveston bay]

True enough but when you had the Allies agree to a cease fire and a prisoner exchange, you gave me the impression that the Allies of this timeline were not filled with the same resolve as those of OTL. I personally don't think the Allies would ever have agreed to the cease fire or the prisoner exchange, especially against a Germany that is not fighting against the Soviet Union at the same time but that's just my two cents and I'm still enjoying this TL and looking forward to more. .

It has more to do with the War on Japan than the War against the Nazis... bottom line, it frees up a huge number of political hostages while sending back lots of Italians who will be reflecting on how much better things were in British POW camps than in Italy just now, while the Germans sent back were a small number (relatively speaking)

The use of chemical weapons by Japan has not been forgotten, even if it was only against the Chinese.

Churchill is also facing an immense amount of pressure, as the war is not going well for the British Empire, indeed the Fall of said empire is within sight. Turning down the offer of trading prisoners bought him some good will and some time. Time favors the Allies far more than Japan and Germany as far as the Allies can see at this point.

 

[galveston bay]

Goring breaks the Alliance February - April 1943

Operation Winter Storm February 2 – March 17, 1943
The Germans have used the Truce, and the poor flying weather that blinds any Soviet reconnaissance aircraft to amass the 2nd and 3rd Panzer Armies, the 20th Mountain Army and 9th Army in the area around Grozny under Army Group South, with Army Group Don taking over command of German and their partner forces to the north. Field Marshal Von Kluge commands this force and has orders to move fast when the time comes. Over the last few months Goring has been reading intelligence reports put together by Gehlen with considerable concern, and using the opportunity of the Truce, he sends most of the Luftwaffe east (which suffers serious operational losses while doing so due to poor weather), and orders Manstein, who commands the Eastern Front, to seize Baku when he gives the order.

Meanwhile, additional forces, the 5th Panzer Army, as well as the 7th and 11th Armies, have assembled in Bulgaria under the command of Field Marshal Von Kliest. On February 2, 1943, President Inonu is killed along with many of his advisors in a coup as the Turkish Army seizes control of the government. Press releases to the Turkish people report that the British are planning to invade and that Inonu planned to surrender. Therefore, German forces have been invited into the country to resume their historic alliance with the Turkish people. German troops are in Istanbul within hours, and immediately begin ferrying across the Bosphorus to be put on trains south.

At the same time, a massive artillery bombardment erupts along the Soviet lines 50 miles west of Machach Kala which is on the vital Soviet rail line north to Astrakhan, and soon after massive German armored columns are pushing through and demolishing the Soviet 43rd Army which has been caught completely by surprise.

As the Soviets and Western Allies are trying to come to grips with the massive shock, the Germans push hard. Within two days they have taken Machach Kala and cut off Baku from reinforcements from the north, while the 20th Mountain Army occupies Georgia and Armenia which remain demilitarized under the Treaty of Riga. Within two weeks, German panzers are entering the city of Baku, which is lit up by the fires of burning oil refineries and storage tanks that the Soviets destroy before being overrun. Turkish and German forces meanwhile are massing on the Iraqi and Syrian border, and the Luftwaffe is already shifting an entire air fleet to Turkish bases.

The Fall of Syria, Iraq and Persia March 1943
The British 10th Army has only a few understrength brigades that were pretending to be divisions in an attempt to bluff the Germans in all of the area, as everything else is in Libya or India or Egypt. Air strength is a few squadrons, and when the Iraqi government revolts and the Germans move south, the British can only fight a hopeless delaying action. Mosul, Tabriz and Aleppo fall quickly and within a week the Germans are advancing on Tehran, Baghdad, and Damascus.



The British sue for peace
In London, for the first time there is a major sense of panic, and indeed the pressure is so great that Winston Churchill suffers a heart attack on March 11 and has to be sedated for a couple of days to get him to rest. Meanwhile, Clement Attlee has flown home to consult with the government, and Roosevelt finds that he has almost nothing he can do to affect the situation. American engineer and logistics troops are being pushed south just like the British, and there are no combat troops that can get to the area quickly enough to prevent the certain fall of Iraq, Syria and Persia.

Meanwhile, the Germans are pushing the Soviets but more in the nature of probes, while the Soviets, caught flat footed, never dreaming that the Germans would ever launch a winter offensive, are struggling to overcome their own panic and are now suddenly facing the fact that they have just lost their principal source of oil



With the Allies knocked on the ropes, Goring then makes his diplomatic move. He offers peace between the Reich and its allies and the Allies, including the Soviets, in exchange for his demands on December 21 with the addition of the Reich and its allies getting Syria, Iraq, Armenia, Georgia, and Azerbajain, the Soviets to pull back 25 miles all across the front, that a demilitarized zone be established between the Axis forces, who will remain in place and the Soviet forces, and that the Soviets agree to sharp limits regarding their forces west of the Urals and immediately demobilize 3 million men. He also demands that all Allied forces withdraw from Persia, which will regain its independence as a German ally. In exchange he will pull all Axis forces out of Algeria, cease military support of Japan, and there will of course be peace. He promises to demobilize 3 million German troops in answer to the Soviet demobilization and to live up to the remaining terms offered.

In the British Parliament, faced with the imminent loss of all of the above plus the probable fall of Palestine, Jordan and indeed the prospect of German tanks in Kuwait and Arabia, the Parliament calls a vote of no confidence after learning Churchill is ill. The Churchill government loses the vote, and Churchill agrees to resign and Clement Attlee becomes Prime Minister. Seeing no other choice, he informs the United States government and the Dominions that Britain is forced to accept these terms.

Roosevelt is livid, but in the end he cannot disagree based on the strategic situation. For now the war with Japan must be won, while the British Empire still exists to help, and he is informed by the Soviet government that they too see little choice.

The War in Europe comes to an end on April 4, 1943........

 

[galveston bay]

authors notes: Goring breaks the Allies

The British are in serious trouble already, and if the Germans get the Turks to chance sides, and certainly they can bribe them with enough to do so if the President of Turkey goes down (the main person blocking this), then the Allied situation in the Near and Middle East will collapse.

There are no reserves available, the Americans only have support troops in the area, and tied with the Revolt in Iraq (which happened in OTL a couple of years before but the Germans manage to persuade them to be patient this time) and that serious problem becomes a looming disaster.

Churchill did have a mild heart attack in December 1941, but considering the pressure he has been under with the invasion of India and now this, serious health problems are not uncalled for. The British are not surrendering, nor are the Allies giving up. But for now the equation is too much against them and so Goring manages to win his war

At least this one anyway...

Selling out the Japanese is certainly within reason for the Germans.. for racial reasons and practical ones. Goring knows that the Allies won't give up against Japan until the Japanese are destroyed. While he intends to honor his agreement not to help them in public, there will be covert help. With any luck by the time the Japanese go under the Americans will be sick of war and crawl back into isolation or at the very least, spend years cleaning up the Japanese mess

such is the plan... whether its a sound plan is another question....

 

[CrimsonKing]

WOW! I didn't see that coming any more than the Soviets did. Great update.

 

[m0585]

Well....................that just changed everything!

 

[DurableShift]

Interesting. This feels like the Germans took a gamble and it paid off big time. The rewards are vast, Germany can finally consolidate and recover in peace. Letting Japan go is a serious price to pay, but this may give the Nazis a chance to slip into a Cold War situation.

To be honest, and I don't mean this in a bad way, it feels like Goring's playing a strategy video game. He knows the odds are starting to go bad, so he takes a long shot and it hits home. Germany gets the peace it so desperately needs and out of the immediate cross hairs.

Any chance we can get an update on who gets what and how all the spoils are split up?