And for those of you who were tired of guessing... the role that won Ian the character of 2-B4
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Stolengood
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...Donner didn't leave that early. And Hamilton had his own reasons for quitting when he did; they moved the production to England for tax reasons from Rome, which is where Hamilton had agreed to direct because he was a tax exile. There's no way Hamilton comes back.
Seriously, please just use what I laid out for you:
Far more plausible than the Salkinds either somehow moving production back to Rome or Hamilton up and paying his taxes. If they switched directors in the middle of production, there's no way they'd get it out in '78; they'd already postponed the release date by four months due to production delays, and having Hamilton reshoot most of Donner's footage (as Lester did to Donner IOTL) only pushes them back further -- and they had to release the film in 1978. No way they switch directors then.
I'm somewhat ashamed that I know this, but...George was sterile. It's why they adopted OTL, they were unable to conceive naturally. Is this an oversight, or something soapier?
...Donner didn't leave that early. And Hamilton had his own reasons for quitting when he did; they moved the production to England for tax reasons from Rome, which is where Hamilton had agreed to direct because he was a tax exile. There's no way Hamilton comes back.
Seriously, please just use what I laid out for you:
Far more plausible than the Salkinds either somehow moving production back to Rome or Hamilton up and paying his taxes. If they switched directors in the middle of production, there's no way they'd get it out in '78; they'd already postponed the release date by four months due to production delays, and having Hamilton reshoot most of Donner's footage (as Lester did to Donner IOTL) only pushes them back further -- and they had to release the film in 1978. No way they switch directors then.
ITTL they never move the production from Rome.
Hamilton TTL does far fewer reshoots.
I'm ashamed of you for knowing that too. I didn't and will edit.
I like the idea of the biopic though. The name fits.
EDIT: Also, ick.
Stolengood
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Ah. Except getting Brando meant they had to move production to England, as well, because Brando had an outstanding arrest warrant for "obscenity" due to the Italian authorities being outraged over Last Tango in Paris. If production isn't moved, no Brando, and so only half of the initial star-wattage promised in the initial trade-papers (the other half was Gene Hackman, who was going to keep his mustache as Luthor until Donner tricked him into shaving it).
Mark Robson was apparently the first alternative before the producers saw The Omen; just have them not see it, and problem's solved.
Did Lester direct the Brando scenes, though? I thought those had been done by the time Donner was taken off the picture.
As to the Omen connection you suggested, that's kind of implied. And I like Lester, not to be misunderstood, I just don't like Lester on Superman.
I'm probably not going to edit that much detail into the update as it isn't necessary, I don't think. I could reword it as long as it's understood that Hamilton takes over the last bits of filming and post. What do you think?
Also, any criticism or (hopefully praise) on the rest of the update?
Stolengood
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Lester didn't direct those; he directed the Lara scenes for II, though, which were re-shoots of footage originally shot with Brando. Brando did all his scenes during the first 12 days of filming, including the scene where he appears from the aether and touches Clark's shoulder at the Fortress of Solitude in Superman II (this scene wound up being Christopher Reeve's first work on the film).
Lester reshot most of the Daily Planet scenes, as well as shooting new material (such as the Eiffel Tower heist, which had not been planned by Donner).
Oh, understood; personally, I love his Beatles movies.
Again, if he only does the last bits of filming, he doesn't get an official director's credit; that's one of the reasons why Lester reshot so much of Donner's already-in-the-can material for II, so that the producers could get Donner's name off the picture and officially credit Lester for the whole thing. Once he'd shot over 51% of the picture, they were done; hence, why a number of Donner-directed scenes still remain in the film (also, because they couldn't get Gene Hackman to come back, and Donner had shot all of his scenes; hence, why Miss Teschmacher suddenly disappears from the film after Luthor goes back south).
I'd rather see Martin Starr as Lucas, with Jason Segel as Steven Spielberg.
I'd rather see Martin Starr as Lucas, with Jason Segel as Steven Spielberg.
You know something, buddy?
...you got it.
Thanks for reading and commenting.
Stolengood
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Hey, this is great so far, man! My criticism's just meant to be constructive; I'm really loving this.
Hey, this is great so far, man! My criticism's just meant to be constructive; I'm really loving this.
Thank you so much. And don't stop keeping me in check.
God must be suicidal from constantly counting butterflies.
It would be because he died with so much potentional yet ahead, before his career-making film is released... and in a car wreck. Sound familiar?
i bring up ledger As a Superior actor and you Top ledger with Dean...I will just accept that the Academy does wondrous Things some Times.
Don't worry. In case you missed it, Harrison Ford was in Apocalypse Now anyways. In one of the introducing scenes he plays a staff officer.
As it was only said he "appears", not "stars" in Apocalypse, I assume this assumes unchanged....
...because if Ford ends up starring in Sheen's role in that mess of a hellish production, he will return traumatized, perhaps an addict of any sort and by now way able to keep up the frenzied schedule of filming burdened upon him in this timeline.
You are creating a monster! How could you top Star Wars' box office success considerably, and also crank up its incredible cultural impact?
My pleasure!
By the way, I am not a big Elvis-Fan. But his survival, and in a vibrant, active way, is intruiging. IMHO, the bigger POD ;-). He could still be alive in 2012, being in his late 70s now.
On Sir Ian:
and used the limited body language I could muster to convey something more akin to sexual tension.
Err, what is he talking about?
However: from his coming-out on in the late 1980s on, McKellen has been a well-known campaigner for gay rights in Britain. However, he was at this point of time not an internationally known star OTL in the way he had become as Magneto and Gandalf. If 2B4 marks an international breakthrough, this should be considered when it comes to later butterflies.
Just wanted to add one thing. You also created butteflies in the carindustry. Why? Because Mark Hamill was in a carcrash OTL also but escapted with minor injuries and credited it with the safty of his Volvo. That also helped Volvo in the USA as a brand of cars that were safe.
ITTL Volvo might not be as successfull in USA
ITTL Volvo might not be as successfull in USA
Orville_third
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Incidentally, his cameo has him wearing the name of "G. Lucas".Don't worry. In case you missed it, Harrison Ford was in Apocalypse Now anyways. In one of the introducing scenes he plays a staff officer.
As it was only said he "appears", not "stars" in Apocalypse, I assume this assumes unchanged....
...because if Ford ends up starring in Sheen's role in that mess of a hellish production, he will return traumatized, perhaps an addict of any sort and by now way able to keep up the frenzied schedule of filming burdened upon him in this timeline.
Will he get a bigger role than his blink-and-you'll-miss-it cameo in ET?
Harrison Ford takes the role that iOTL was given to Tom Skerritt (Dallas).
I will just accept that the Academy does wondrous Things some Times.
I'm not so sure that Ledger is superior to Hamill, with the exception of his role as the Joker. IMHO, Ledger is the far more overrated actor, but I know we disagree on this.
Dean is, of course, inarguably the superior of both of them combined. But yes, the Academy does some strange things...
Don't worry. In case you missed it, Harrison Ford was in Apocalypse Now anyways. In one of the introducing scenes he plays a staff officer.
As it was only said he "appears", not "stars" in Apocalypse, I assume this assumes unchanged....
...because if Ford ends up starring in Sheen's role in that mess of a hellish production, he will return traumatized, perhaps an addict of any sort and by now way able to keep up the frenzied schedule of filming burdened upon him in this timeline.
Good eye. Harrison Ford's role in AN is unchanged.
Star Wars iTTL is slightly better, is released with far more hype than OTL, grosses higher, receives more positive reviews, and wins more Oscars.
This has the result of increasing the impact it has culturally rather drastically from OTL. Lucas becomes a more responsible filmmaker and Harrison Ford becomes an even bigger star even earlier. But perhaps the most important thing TTL is that science fiction, fantasy, and superhero movies are viewed as far more legitimate far earlier impacting gross sales initially, and later film in general as a result.
Compare the Top Ten Grossing films of 79 to OTL for more.
Elvis living will have an awful lot of butterflies.
An earlier Ian McKellen success will probably not much effect when he comes out (perhaps a bit earlier), and his career will briefly re-converge with OTL to an extent, as he will return to theater. As for his quote about sexual tension, it's something a young Ian (and even earlier OTL roles in film) did extremely well and something which might improve the overall quality of the film. I'll describe more about 2-B4 and his role in the development of the franchise TTL in the next update.
What an incredible observation, really. I had literally no idea about any of that. I'm not sure how to incorporate it, though. Feel free to pm me any ideas you have or resources I could use and I'll credit you.
ET will probably not be much effected when it comes to Ford as his face wasn't to be shown. I may include a single close up for the big reveal and have more of his footage left off the cutting room floor, since he is a bigger star TTL.
Thanks everyone for reading.
So The Deer Hunter does even better at the Oscars than it did in our timeline, which makes me wonder what will happen with Heaven's Gate.
Based on Moonraker's success, Spielberg's career is going even better than at this point in OTL. 1941 was seen as a disappointment both critically and at the box office. From what I've read, it seems like Spielberg thought he could do no wrong at that point in his career. He has said something to the effect that he believed his movies couldn't fail. It will be interesting to see how a longer streak of successes might affect his judgment ITTL.
I also have to wonder what Donner will do instead of Superman.
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Stolengood
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If he was never hired to begin with, then probably Damien: Omen II, just like he'd originally planned before the Salkinds offered him Superman.