Gone The New Hope

Simple pretty excelent update Vultan, you suresly impresed us, was amazing.

The politics part was pretty on-spot(and Brown loss as much as romney loss,wanting to please everybody and please no one, if was more direct would have won and beat reagan myth)

The film part was simple amazing, men those are movies i would gladly jump into time only too see.. and that megafestival? that is the only one or the first of many? like an annual tradition? that would be amazing

Say Admiral Hook if he recived my PM, i want to know if he need more ideas, in fact i've new one if he want to heard it.

Excelent post, loved it.
 
Also, I just thought I'd point out that this bit...

"In the end, I think if Brown had run on his record, he could have won. He wasn't some far-out liberal, he was really even more fiscally conservative than Reagan, and I think that could have had appeal businessmen if he'd capitalized on it. I mean, I supported Brown, and I'm the son of a small town businessman. My dad was conservative, Brown was conservative and I'm very conservative, always have been."

-George Lucas, interview for Playboy magazine, 1997

...is partially based on an actual Lucas quote, from an actual Playboy interview with him.
 
Also, I just thought I'd point out that this bit...



...is partially based on an actual Lucas quote, from an actual Playboy interview with him.

As say before, that was the most on-spot even in the alternate timeline, as say, there was a conservative shift but Brown would be that moderate that the 'pretyt face' who was reagan who slowly made decission the us still feel.,

but anywya all have been pretty well.
 
Got some acknowledgements for this latest update. First, thanks to The Admiral Hook for inviting me to contribute to this TL in the first place (and he wrote the lion's share of this update, including a lot of the political stuff). Thanks to Plumber for helping us develop the electoral college map (and I promise readers that he and I are still actively working on No Longer Jack). And thanks to Archangel Michael and DTanza for helping me proofread.

Another update will come in a few days, focusing on congressional elections and movies that came out in the winter of 1980.

I really won the lottery when I got to collaborate with the mastermind behind the Power and the Glitter! I wouldn't rather work with anyone else.

Also, thanks for the credit, but it isn't necessary. No matter how much I wrote none of it was possible without you.

Good to see this timeline make a triumphant return, and especially in anticipation of what's cooking in the coming updates.

Andrew beat me to the punch asking about the faithless elector, though he picked a different one than I had in mind: why did Wallace get the vote from Tennessee? Are Southern Democrats still that faithful to him? And for that matter, why was Tennessee the only Southern state to go Democratic, anyway?

I'd like to nominate this post for the shortest Brainbin comment in GTNH history!

But thank you, master for reading.

LOTR in the 80ts? No massive cavalry charge then.

No. I dont want to see a War and Peace from 66 type of cavalry battle where there are thousands of horses running around without anyone in the saddle.

I think you'll be reasonably happy with what you read in the sequel thread...

Simple pretty excelent update Vultan, you suresly impresed us, was amazing.

The politics part was pretty on-spot(and Brown loss as much as romney loss,wanting to please everybody and please no one, if was more direct would have won and beat reagan myth)

The film part was simple amazing, men those are movies i would gladly jump into time only too see.. and that megafestival? that is the only one or the first of many? like an annual tradition? that would be amazing

Say Admiral Hook if he recived my PM, i want to know if he need more ideas, in fact i've new one if he want to heard it.

Excelent post, loved it.

Thanks for the comments, and again for my first ever TD nomination!

Euphorium will be an annual thing, and is meant to serve as a culmination of every single change from OTL in this TL.

Music is about to change, pop culture already has, and politics of course will be dramatically altered very soon.

Euphorium is designed to drive home the point that nerds are cool in 1981 and everything is about to change forever...

Also, please PM me! I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Thanks again, friend.

As say before, that was the most on-spot even in the alternate timeline, as say, there was a conservative shift but Brown would be that moderate that the 'pretyt face' who was reagan who slowly made decission the us still feel.,

but anywya all have been pretty well.

What a crazy election, eh?

Thanks everyone for reading and commenting!

We'll have another update up very soon. It's going to be a pivotal update, and perhaps the final one of this thread...

...but don't worry. Episode II of Gone The New Hope will be up before the end of this month!
 
A great update! I'm really liking this timeline even if I have trouble following American politics

Thanks a lot for reading and commenting!

If there's anything politically you'd like some clarification on, I'd be more than willing to address it on here or via PM. It's no trouble at all.

Anybody have any comments concerning LotR or Dune?
 
Just binge read all the updates I missed in the last couple months. I love where this has gone and is going! Definitely a geek-wank but hey it's a hell of a lot of fun. :D This has all of my favorite things in it - music, movies, games. Look forward to see more.
 
Just binge read all the updates I missed in the last couple months. I love where this has gone and is going! Definitely a geek-wank but hey it's a hell of a lot of fun. :D This has all of my favorite things in it - music, movies, games. Look forward to see more.

Thanks, buddy.

Keep on reading and commenting!
 
Fantastic fun timeline!

I'd rather watch your Star Wars than OTL's!

Some thoughts- I can see Star Trek II happen as per OTL plot wise, but I can see Paramount moving it up the schedule to cash in on the 'nerd' culture. Would they also look to a new Trek TV series? Perhaps Phase II is not totally dead?

What's the effects on cartoons? Does Gatchaman get imported uncut? Does the D&D cartoon last longer?

Finally with improved graphics everywhere does Raise the Titanic do better at the box office? I does have the Alec Guiness extra star power in this....

Subscribed!
 
Fantastic fun timeline!

I'd rather watch your Star Wars than OTL's!

Some thoughts- I can see Star Trek II happen as per OTL plot wise, but I can see Paramount moving it up the schedule to cash in on the 'nerd' culture. Would they also look to a new Trek TV series? Perhaps Phase II is not totally dead?

Well, the problem with Phase II happening now is that it will probably conflict with T.J. Hooker, James Doohan's narrating contract with the CBC, Leonard Nimoy's narrating contract with A&E and PBS, and Walter Koeing's film career ambitions out side of Star Trek. No, a better idea for TTL is for Zucker, Abraham, and Zucker to come up with something like Galaxy Quest as an actual spoof series. Except that I fully expect it to fall afoul of the same problems that befell Police Squad! and Sledge Hammer!
 
Fantastic fun timeline!

I'd rather watch your Star Wars than OTL's!

Some thoughts- I can see Star Trek II happen as per OTL plot wise, but I can see Paramount moving it up the schedule to cash in on the 'nerd' culture. Would they also look to a new Trek TV series? Perhaps Phase II is not totally dead?

What's the effects on cartoons? Does Gatchaman get imported uncut? Does the D&D cartoon last longer?

Finally with improved graphics everywhere does Raise the Titanic do better at the box office? I does have the Alec Guiness extra star power in this....

Subscribed!

What a tremendous amount of very high praise! We are not worthy.

I'll try to answer what I can here because your interest means a great deal to me. I've had a rough year and this is my outlet and escape, which makes every reader, commenter, and Turtledove nomination (!) a true blessing to me.

On Star Trek: You can bet Paramount has been scrambling even more than in OTL to adequately compete in the New Nerd Era. Some interesting conversations are being held behind the scenes at this moment in ttl, and while I don't want to give too much away I can give you some teasers:

A. Whilst Nicholas Meyer will be heavily involved in the sequel to TMP, he won't be the first unit (main) director. That honor will go to a person who has worked with some main characters already familiar to both OTL and TTL. While Paramount will be just as protective of their lucrative sci fi franchise as OTL, the relationship between Roddenberry and Solo United is about to dramatically change in the comic years thanks to Euphorium; and with it perhaps more subtly (and certainly more importantly) the relationship between Trekkies and Warsies...

B. Phase II remains doa, but I wouldn't count out Star Trek as a television franchise...

As for animation: Yes things will begin the change rather drastically, but anime specifically as we know it is still roughly on the same trajectory as OTL as of now.

To be honest I had very little considered Raise The Titanic during my research, but with a slight bump both in special effects technology and in the increased visibility of Guinness and Star Wars, it would make sense that it is less of a failure. I would say that it is probably better received both critically and financially while still failing to return its budget and become the runaway hit the filmmakers surely believed it would. So, better than OTL, yes but not ideal by any tl's standards...

Thank you again for reading, commenting, and subscribing.

Well, the problem with Phase II happening now is that it will probably conflict with T.J. Hooker, James Doohan's narrating contract with the CBC, Leonard Nimoy's narrating contract with A&E and PBS, and Walter Koeing's film career ambitions out side of Star Trek. No, a better idea for TTL is for Zucker, Abraham, and Zucker to come up with something like Galaxy Quest as an actual spoof series. Except that I fully expect it to fall afoul of the same problems that befell Police Squad! and Sledge Hammer!

You know, I hadn't thought of that but it's an excellent idea.

Speaking of Z, A, and Z: There is a major change to ttl's Airplane! and I recommend keeping an eye out in the next installment for that...

Thanks again, all!
 
To be honest I had very little considered Raise The Titanic during my research, but with a slight bump both in special effects technology and in the increased visibility of Guinness and Star Wars, it would make sense that it is less of a failure. I would say that it is probably better received both critically and financially while still failing to return its budget and become the runaway hit the filmmakers surely believed it would. So, better than OTL, yes but not ideal by any tl's standards...

Any less of a failure might make Cussler more willing to allow his books to be turned into movies (though the same things that pissed him off OTL probably happen anyway). This "New Nerd Era" may also see Cussler make the sci-fi swing he made in '86 with Cyclops a little earlier. That one always felt like it was supposed to be a movie anyway.
 
Any less of a failure might make Cussler more willing to allow his books to be turned into movies (though the same things that pissed him off OTL probably happen anyway). This "New Nerd Era" may also see Cussler make the sci-fi swing he made in '86 with Cyclops a little earlier. That one always felt like it was supposed to be a movie anyway.

To be honest, I've never really read the guy.

If there are this many fans of his work on here, however, this might warrant some attention. I'll get back to you.
 
Can't wait for info on the third film. Keep it up!

Is there an update inbound soon or much further down the road?

Yes! I'm sorry, I've had quite the busy spell but a new update is forthcoming and the sequel thread will be begun soon.

Thanks so much for reading and commenting!

Having just discovered this timeline today, I feel the need to point out that I'm officially a fan. Keep it up!

Welcome to the insanity! Thanks for the kind words and don't worry there's much more to come.

Love the username by the way...
 
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