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Sorry its short but I wanted to get an up date up for those who are following this TL. Cover the Events in Iberia and New Spain that were mentioned in this posting.
 
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Iberian Revolution Pt 2
The Iberian Revolution Continued: Birth of the Union of Iberian Christian Republics.



Fight of the King


In Madrid King Charles IV of Spain was taken aback by the events that had unfolded in his country. However, by October 2, 1796 had managed to gather a Royalist Army of 45,500 men to defend the Capital City of Madrid. This force was commanded by General Gregorio García de la Cuesta a conservative royalist who was ready to hang each and every traitor. A second smaller royalist force was gathering in Andorra under the command of the Infante Antonio Pascual the younger brother of King Charles IV, however this force was just over 25,000 men strong. By October 8th the Capital had been surrounded by the Rebel Holy Peasants Army of Castilian 30,000 men strong and the Grenadian Army of Christ 27,500 men strong however the two rebel armies worked together only grudgingly. This allowed the King a Chance to escape with his family or so Charles believed. On October 30, 1796 he and General Cuesta reviewed the Royal Army. “You men have proven your selves loyal to a fault to your king and our government. I have the utmost trust in you my most loyal men. Tomorrow we shall begin our long march we will break out of Madrid and march North to the men commanded by my Brother the Infante Antonio in Andorra from there we will gather other loyal forces to us and begin to the Second Reconquista.” Charles IV’s Address to the troops of the Royal Army of Madrid the day before would become known as Battle of Kingfall. At dawn on October 31st the Royalist broke out of the Defenses of Madrid and began marching north along with the Army was King and the Royal Family. The Royalist were making good time on the march while the Grenadian Army sacked the city and the Castilians prepared to follow after the Royal Army. However at 5pm this changed when the Royal scouts ran into a Division of the Catalonian Army, Although the Catalonians were outnumbered the had good defensive ground on a rocky hill that dominated the road. The Royalist would spend the remainder of the day light attempting to clear the road northeast however this was unable to be accomplished and in the morning they awoke to find themselves surrounded once more however this time they were in a creak bottom at the base of a step rocky hill which was occupied by rebels. The King and General Garcia decided to attack to the south were the Castilian and Catalonian forces joined the ring around the royalist force. General Garcia decided he would lead the attack himself. The attack would begin at 10 am, and would meet with early success as the Royalist broke out of the ring surrounding their camp. This success was short lived however because after just a mile of marching they ran into a body of Catalonian troops at cross roads village. Once more the Catalonians prove to be an immobile rock in the royalist escape. By the 5pm the battle was all but over, the King and General Garcia were both dead leading desperate attacks to break out of the trap. Young Infante Ferdinand now Ferdinand VII and Infante Charles would flee escape the trap with a small band of guards after darkness fell, theirs was far from the only such group to escape the royalist camp that night. At dawn the remaining royalist army would surrender all 28,000 of them. The battle had cost them about 2,000 killed and another 1500 wounded but that still didn’t account for the missing 13,500 soldiers who had run off during the night. The Republican Commanders were disheartened by this and even more so by the face that the young King Ferdinand VII and his brother had also escaped. Yet still the largest of the Royalist forces had been defeated and Madrid was in Republican hands and the King was dead. His body would be paraded though the streets of Madrid. The Village where the king had died with the royalist army would renamed ciudad Caída del Rey.

On November 21, 1796 the young King and Infante Charles would arrive in Andorra much to the surprise of their uncle. However, they now had an Amy less than 30,000 strong. They will hold the official Carination of Ferdinand VII on December 24, 1796 in the Saint Esteve Church in Andorra la Vella the capital city of the Principality of Andorra. With Infante Antonio Pascual the young king’s uncle acting as Regent until he came of Age. The Regent and the young king set out sending emissaries to all the countries of Europe asking for aid and support in Retaking their homeland.


Birth of the Union of Iberian Christian Republics
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As the New year of 1797 began a conference was called in Madrid this conference would be the first meeting of the leaders of the Iberian Republics. At the same time in Paris another meeting is called by Louis XVI this meeting will see representatives of France, Great Britain, Austria and the Holy Roman Empire, the Papal States, the Kingdom of Naples and the Kingdom of Portugal over what to do with the continuing Iberian Crisis most concerned was the Kingdom of Portugal.

The Congress of Madrid was held on March 24, 1797 at the same time the Conclave of Madrid was held simultaneously. These two meetings of the Religious and political leaders of the Iberia Republics would produce a standard doctrine for the political movement that had brought about what was now being called the Iberian Revolution, it would also see the establishment of the Holy Church of the Works of Christ (HCWC) This church would be loyal to the pope in Rome as long as he accepted the fundamental doctrines of Franciscanism as a legitimate doctrine of the Church; if the Pope refused this then the Bishop of Toledo would become the head of the Church. The Bishop of Toledo would from here on out be elected by the Council of Priest, which would be made up by the 65 members of the clergy the 15 bishops of the Church and then 50 priest 10 form each republic which will be elected by the citizens of the Republics. While church and political officially defined Franciscanism. Franciscanism (noun): A system of Representative Government in which theologian leadership establishes a universal equality for all the citizens based upon the teachings of Christ that the meek are the blessed of god and have his favor. To ensure this all land and industry is owned by the church state. The bounty of the land and the products and proceeds of the church owned industries are collected by the church state and after the ten percent of each is taken by the government the remaining is divided evenly amongst the citizens of the nation. to ensure the equality of the lord and humbleness of the lord. All citizens get to vote in the election of representatives to the Assembly of Christ which shall act as the voice of the people in the government. The Congress of Madrid also creates a new Union of the Republics to replace the old Kingdom of Spain. This new Union Government would be called the Union of Iberian Christian Republics. This Union would bind the Five Republics together with a common currency, and Foreign policy and mutual defense. The Union would be led by the Head of the Holy Church of the Works of Christ This confederation becomes known as the Union of Iberian Christian Republics the Bishop of Toledo and Primer of Iberia who would be elected by the Iberian Assembly. The Iberian Assembly would be made up of two houses, the Council of Priest of the Holy Church of the Works of Christ forms the Upper house with the power of review of any alliance, Trade deal, or tariff the lower house might pass, as well as a vote on any Declaration of War, or Treaty approved by the lower house. The Lower house would be known as the Christian’s Assembly. This house would have 40 seats eight from each republic. The only requirements to run for this house are one be a member of the Franciscanist Party of their Republic, and be at least 25 years of age. Elections were set to be held in the Fall, of for the elected seats until then the Bishops will run the Union. The Union Government would be based in Madrid which it was decided would be an independent city administered by the Union as a whole, not by any member republic. The First act that the Newly formed Union of Iberian Christian Republic would do was to dispatch ambassadors to the nations of the world, these men would seek to gain recognition for the Union.
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Meanwhile in Paris France

The French Sponsored Conference on the Spanish Crisis kicks off King Louis XVI was the host and leader of the Conference. Hugues-Bernard Maret the Foreign Minister would represent the Kingdom of France. William Wyndham Grenville, 1st Baron Grenville the Foreign Secertary would represent the British Empire. Johann Amadeus Franz de Paula Thugut the Foreign Minister of the Austrian Empire represented both the Austrian Empire and the Holy Roman Empire. Crown Prince João Braganza of Portugal represents his kingdom the last monarchy on the Iberian Peninsula. Francis Duke of Calabria represented the Kingdom of Naples, King Frederick Wilhelm II of Prussia represented his kingdom, and lastly Cardinal Ignazio Busca Secretary of State of the Holy See represented both the Papal States and the Holy Catholic Church.

The Conference began on May 1, 1797 with King Louis XVI addressing the assembled. “Gentlemen I welcome you to Paris and hope that between those of us gathered here and the nations whom they represent can come to a unified plan on what actions should be taken regarding the over throw of our cousin Charles King of Spain and the over throw of the Kingdom of Spain.”

Over the course of the nest month the delegates would discuss the events of the Iberian Crisis and what if anything was to be done about the current state of affairs. Portugal was the country that was pressing the hardest for military intervention to restore Ferdinand VII currently hold up in Andorra with what was left of the Loyalist forces, led by his uncle. This stance was one of perceived self-defense on the part of the Portuguese’s Monarchy who were concerned that they were the next target, and indeed a the Franciscanist movement in side of Portugal was indeed on the rise. Added to this call to arms by Portugal was the announcement by Cardinal Busca that Pope Pius VI had excommunicated those people in the Kingdom of Spain who were beholden to the false doctrine of Franciscanism, and rejected their proposal to “Divided the Holy Catholic church”, further the pope declared that if the Heretics in Spain tried to spread their Heresy then the Church and the Papal States would do everything in its power to protect catholic nations. This view was seconded by Naples. Yet the other two catholic nations France and Austria hesitated. The French Parliament was opposed to armed intervention unless the rebels either attempted to subvert the lawful authority of the Kingdom of France, or attacked the Principality of Andorra whom France was obliged to defend. Austria was also hesitant to declare for intervention because of the growing discord with the Protestant states inside the Holy Roman Empire, and the Hungarians ever constant bickering. While the Protestant nations saw no reason to object any of this it was after all an internal Spanish affair, until such time as it hurt British interest that is. Grenville did however announce that Britain would honor the alliance she had always had with the Kingdom of Portugal. Finally A compromise plan was proposed by King Louis XVI. This plan would recognize the Union of Iberian Christian Republics as the legal successor to the Kingdom of Spain with the strongest suggestion that they re brand their new nation the Union of SPANISH Christian Republics, thus easing the minds of the Portuguese. Also they would recognize the Pyrenees Kingdom whose boundaries would include the Principality of Andorra and extend along the Southern side of the Pyrenees to the Northeastern coast of Spain all of which was held by Royalist partisans anyways. This Kingdom would act as both a buffer state between Spain and the rest of Europe and provide a haven for those Spanish who did not wish to live under the new order. The new Union government would forfeit all claims to the Kingdom of Spain’s colonial empire outside of the Canary Islands and other islands off the coast of Africa. All the other colonies of Spain would be divided between Britain, France and Naples. However, many of the colonies would declare independence before any territory could officially change hands. Lastly the Union would agree not to attempt to subdue by force any attempt of a republic to return to the crown of Spain should it ever arise. Satisfied with this arrangement the Convention was ended and a draft was dispatched to Madrid, on June 20, 1797.

The Union government received the document in early July and decided to wait till after the fall elections when there would be a full government. That Government would be elected on October 18, 1797 it was by default a Franciscanist dominated Government, however there were differences of the 40 seats in the Christian’s Assembly 15 were held by Extremist Franciscanist, 20 where held by Moderate Franciscanist, and 5 were held by the self-proclaimed Conservative Franciscanist. The Domination of the Moderate faction would see Phillip de Barcelona being elected the First Primer of the Union of Iberian Christian Republics. He would join the Bishop Toledo, Atanasio Puyal y Poveda in the Executive Branch of the new union government. This moderate government would after some debate ratify the Treaty of Paris on November 5, 1797.
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This ratification would see Baleares Islands a place where Franciscanism never caught on vote to become part of the Kingdom of Naples Ruled by the brother of King Charles IV. The people of the Baleares viewed the new Pyrenees Kingdom as a land that was destined to either be forced back into the rest of the Iberian Fold or become a puppet of the French. It should be noted that they viewed Portugal’s monarchy as dead men walking as well. When word was dispatched to the America’s about the ratification of the Treaty of Paris A proclamation was also sent the leaders of the United States of Grand Columbia stating that the UICR held no claim to the territory of the United States of Grand Columbia, and considered hostilities to be ended. Word also when out to the other viceroys of the old Spanish empire asking them to either adopt Franciscanism and join the Union as equal members or the would be considered independent by the Union government.

The Spanish colonies would be split over this when world reached them around Christmas of 1797. In Florida East Florida would use this a justification for their decision to apply for state hood in the Commonwealth of American States, of course West Florida was Annexed into the State of Georgia earlier in the fall of 1797. Louisiana would use the Treaty of Paris to justify its break with New Spain and the selling of Northern Louisiana to the British 7.5 million pounds. On January 1, 1798 the Empire of Mexico would declare its Independence and take all of New Spain’s Territory on the North American Continent. That Same Day Cuba and Spanish Hispaniola and all other former Spanish holdings in the Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico formed the The Kingdom of Hispaniola y Cuba. Lastly Peru would declare its self the Kingdom of Peru on January 7, 1798. Then before they could decide which way to go the on January 21, 1798 A French fleet sailed into the River Plata officially annexing the Viceroy of the Rio Plata into the French Colonial Empire as New Aquitaine. On February 7, 1798 the last piece of the old empire gives its answer the Philippians together with Wake Island, and Guam from the Christian Republic of Pacifica, adopting the a Franciscanist constitution and applying for member ship in the Union. The Addition of the Christian Republic of Pacifica would expand the UICR out of the Iberian Peninsula so Iberia would be a global player after all, as well as opening up Asia and the rest of the Far East to the Teaching of Franciscanism and the Holy Church of the Works of Christ.
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Confederate Liberal, I've been lurking and watching your TL with admiration. I love what you did with France! The French Revolution was horrible!!!

I also love the new American nations! :D
 
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Thanks for the feed back and I'm glad you're enjoying it.
Someone loves balkanizing.

Not entirely true yes Spain got turned into a rubble for a moment but they only had a Christian Communist Revolution sweep away the old order and the Spanish are already starting to pull them selves back together. And they even kept their pacific holdings. I'm gonna post a snap shot of the frist ten years to cover the rest of the world and a story covering the last branch of the house Bourbon Naples and Sicily. As well as a pair of Corsican brothers. Before returning to north america.
 
Not entirely true yes Spain got turned into a rubble for a moment but they only had a Christian Communist Revolution sweep away the old order and the Spanish are already starting to pull them selves back together. And they even kept their pacific holdings. I'm gonna post a snap shot of the frist ten years to cover the rest of the world and a story covering the last branch of the house Bourbon Naples and Sicily. As well as a pair of Corsican brothers. Before returning to north america.
Great! Also hooray for no French Revolution!!!
 
Great! Also hooray for no French Revolution!!!
Yeah believe it or not the FR isn't too hard to get rid of. The thing is old Louis Xvi was on the indecisive side and was slow to make up his mind. Otl his wife and nobles used this to push him where they thought he should go which was bad. Then when he did chose to act quickly ie the flight from Paris it was worse and cost him his head in the long run. The butterflies mearly changed who he was listening to and let him put his foot down at the right moment.

As yes frence history is less bloody this timevround.
 
Yeah believe it or not the FR isn't too hard to get rid of. The thing is old Louis Xvi was on the indecisive side and was slow to make up his mind. Otl his wife and nobles used this to push him where they thought he should go which was bad. Then when he did chose to act quickly ie the flight from Paris it was worse and cost him his head in the long run. The butterflies mearly changed who he was listening to and let him put his foot down at the right moment.

As yes frence history is less bloody this timevround.
Hooray. I just hope there won't be any French-style Revolutions ITTL.
 
North America 1797
North America.

August 8,1797 New Orleans

Francisco Luis Hector, barón de Carondelet the Spanish Governor of New Orleans was in a desperate meeting with the leaders of New Orleans. The War that the Floridians had dragged the Imperial forces into here in North America couldn’t have come at a worse time when news from the homeland was so bad. Then to make it worse The Floridians had gone and lost it was only a matter of time before they the American forces arrived at New Orleans so now they had a choice to make They could welcome the Americans and expect to be annexed that was choice A. Choice B was to Fight they didn’t have the troops to win but they could lose with honor. Or choice C The could go their own way they still might have to fight but they had a better chance meeting the Americans a equals or so the Governor thought. It just so happened that leaders of the Colonial citizens Andre Montaclair leader of the Merchants of New Orleans and Michel Louis Toutant Beauregard leader of the Colonial Militia both believed that Independence would be the answer, so the three of them worked through the night and with some more of the more prominent families of New Orleans and came up with a constitution for their new Nation.

On September 14, 1797
They would publish the Constitution of the Republic of Louisiana announcing to the world that they were no longer a part of what had been the Spanish Empire. Two days later on the 16th, former Governor Hector, now Acting President would be paid a visit by a representative of the British Empire he would offer to buy the mostly unsettled Northern Louisiana Everything north of the Missouri River for 7.5 million pounds. The Council met and discussed it for three days before agreeing to sell on September 19th. The sale of Northern Louisiana gave the new republic a surplus in the bank which allowed it to avoid debt that would overtake may of the new nations that were formed when the Spanish Empire died.
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December 18, 1797 Mexico City.

The in secrete representatives from across New Spain meet in a darken part of the the city they are there to sort out the mess that the Viceroy had caused when he started to gather supplies to sail to Spain to rescue the boy king he was corrupt to the core and all these men knew it. They also new that this was the time to act there was a movement growing with the people of New Spain who wanted to avoid the mess that this Franciscanism that had popped up in Spain was. The people here were Catholic or if not then they remembered the old ways that had existed before the Spanish had arrived in this land. They had their constitution all worked out all the pieces were ready now they just needed to gather their supporters. The Constitution of Empire 1797 creates at state with a monarchy passed down form the Aztec royal bloodline, if no Aztec prince or princess can be found then an election shall be held to find a new royal house. The Monarch shall have the exectituve power government and the final veto of any law as well as the Royal Decree that shall last for up to five years. The Legslature shall consist of the Imperial Assembly which shall consist of 8 assemblymen from each province. The Assembly shall be headed by the Prime Minister. The Courts shall be appointed by the Imperial Assembly though the Prime Minister’s office.


December 24, 1797 Havana, Cuba

Governor Luis de las Casas y Aragorri, was meeting with Governor Brigadier Joaquín García y Moreno of Santo Domingo The two men were very concerned The uprising in the motherland didn’t look to be going away in fact it looked to be wining. The two men were royalist to the core but both could see the writing on the wall the Kingdom of Spain was done for and with it the Spanish Empire. Both men had consulted with their commanders and all were in agreement with the motherland lost to the Heretics they would send word that the Islands of Cuba and Hispaniola were now in independent Kingdom recognizing the Spanish House of Bourbon as their monarch when the heir could be found in the Meantime the two governors would act as a joint stewards of the throne, as well as Chancellor.
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January 1, 1798 New Spain

The People of Mexico officially declare themselves i ndependent of the now defunct Spanish Empire. The People’s elected representatives have created and ratified a constitution for our new Empire of Mexico and welcome Countess Clara de Oca Moctezuma y Mendoza the most direct decedent of the last Emperor of Mexico to take her place on the throne of her ancestors, as she has agreed to abide by the constitution of the Empire of Mexico. All that was left was to capture Mexico City which was the last Spanish Hold out.


February 12, 1798 approaching Mexico City

General Juan Mariano de Salas watched as his Troops marched toward the Mexico City he had 25,000 men under arms in his force advancing north from the southern provinces, while Valentín Gómez Farías had another 15,000 men marching West From Veracruz on the coast, and Antonio López de Santa Anna had a some 18,000 men coming south from Tejas and the other north Eastern provinces. Appose to them were just the 25,000 men under the control of the Viceroy Don Miguel de la Grúa Talamanca de Carini y Branciforte, 1st Marqués de Branciforte in Mexcio city and of them only the 10,000 Spanish could really be counted upon to blindly follow him and with everything that had happened back in Europe they were not even one hundred percent dependable. He was pleasantly supprised by howwell everything was going in just over a month they had captured most of the country with out much of a fight. Without the Kingdom of Spain to back them up the Spanish simply didn’t have much fight. Mexico City still held out but it’s time was numbered. Jose Smiled the Mexican Militia were doing well and it seemed that the final battle lay ahead and Mexico would be free once more. Well, he wouldn’t get ahead of himself; he still had a day’s march ahead of him.


February 13, 1798 Mexico City

General Juan Mariano de Salas was shocked at how easy it had been the battle if it could be called that had lasted just 40 minutes after exchanging a few volleys the Spanish had surrendered Mexico was no Free of European Rule.


February 28, 1798 Mexico City

The Consitution was signed by members from every Provence of New Spain the Kingdom of New Spain part of the old Spainish Empire was dead, in its place the Empire of Mexico now stood. The Repersentatives gathered (two form each provence) would make up the Provisional Imperial Assembly; Minister Valentín Gómez Farías was elected Prime Minster of the Provisional Assembly all that was left was the crowning of their new Empress.


March 14, 1798 Mexico City

Clara de Oca Moctezuma y Mendoza was 62 years old on March first when she arrived from her family’s estate just outside of San Francisco in Alto California. Clara knew that the blood that ran through her veins was the same as the last Emperor of the Aztec but she had never really thought much about it until the representatives of the Revolutionary movement had approached her to be the new Empress of a Restored house of Montezuma. Now her she was in the National Palace in Mexico City which stood where Montezuma’s had once stood ready to be crowned, she knew that she didn’t have along time left in this world to rule but she was determined to do her best to make Mexico strong. At noon Clara de Oca Moctezuma y Mendoza was crowned Empress of Mexico Clara I on the same throne that her Ancestor had ruled from before the fall of the Aztec Empire. Montezuma’s throne would become part of the Coranition ceremony. Her so José Antonio Marcilla de Teruel y Oca Moctezuma became the Crown Prince of Mexico at 40 years old.

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August 7, 1798: New Orleans, Louisiana

The Cabildo the former Colonial Governors building on the Place d'Armes in New Orleans Now the Capitol Building of the Republic of Louisiana would play host to the first meeting of the representatives of the new born nations of America and those of the Commonwealth of American States. The Congress of New Orleans would settle the state of War that had existed between the old Spanish Empire and the Commonwealth of American States.

President/General Michel Louis Toutant Beauregard of the Republic of Louisiana would host the event Charles C. Pinckney the new Foreign Secretary for the Commonwealth would represent his nation, Andre Montaclair the Foreign Minister for the Republic of Louisiana, The new Empire of Mexico would be represented by its Prime Minister Valentín Gómez Farías, and its Foreign Minister General José Mariano de Salas; the Kingdom of Hispaniola y Cuba would be represented by Luis de las Casas y Aragorri one of the two Stewards. Enither the Kingdom of Peru or The United States of Grand Columbia was not present as they claimed not to be involved with any conflict on the North American Continent, and Peru was to involved in a civil war to send anyone.

The goal of the congress was the settling the borders of the new world as applied to the old Spanish Empire. The first item cleared was the formal recognition of the new nations by all involved. This was done with a sniff of distain from Mexico who had claimed all the territory belonging to New Spain, but they would eventually agree on March 9 after two days of back and forth as well as some threats of war between Mexico and the Kingdom of Hispaniola y Cuba. After that it was merely the drawing up of borders and a clause in the treaty that brought any state of war between the signers to an end. This clause was also agreed by all involved. However their were two area’s of issue, these were between the Empire of Mexico and the Republic of Louisiana and then the second was between the Commonwealth of American States and the Kingdom of Hispaniola y Cuba. The dispute between Mexico and Louisiana was over the Louisianan annexation of several Francophone/Anglophone settlements in eastern Tejas. These settlements had hope to join the Commonwealth once they took New Orleans but since that wasn’t likely to happen now they had asked to join with Louisiana instead. Mexico insisted on the area being returned to their control this was finally solved by the Louisianans agreeing to pay Mexico 500,000 dollars for the had full of settlements and the land east of the Brazos River. This area would become known as Brazos Provence. The second dispute would have much more far ranging effects. This dispute was over the Florida Keys a chain of small islands that stretch from Florida out into the Straight of Florida. When East Florida Applied to become a Commonwealth state it brought the Keys with it. However, the Kingdom of Hispaniola y Cuba claimed he Islands as theirs. Unlike the Texas/Brazos dispute this one would not be solved by the Congress of New Orleans where the delegates could only come to the conclusion that the islands stayed with East Florida. This left Hispaniola y Cuba very upset and looking to get even. The Congress would conclude on October 1, 1798 with signed copies of the Treaty of New Orleans going back to each of the governments involved.
 
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Virigina OTL had already voted to allow Kentucky to become a state. That was a year before the Constitutional Convention that starts this ATL. The only reason it wasnt acted on is because the Congress didnt want to act on it while the debate on the Constitution was going on, they werent sure about their legality of doing it if the new Constitution was ratified, so it was put off until after. So... why and how is Virginia holding on to KY when Kentucky was VERY adamant about leaving.
 
POD is 1783 well beforebefore any serious thought of ky state hood. Virginia in this timeline is pretty imperialistic. Even if the Nationalist are on the back burner at the moment.
 
I'm currently working on a chapter that will cover the American republic though 1804 which will span Hamilton's (fra)second term as well as the rest of Thomas Pinckney's term (CAS). And will address the kentucky question in detsil. But the next chapter will cover britain and Russia As well as Naples and Sicily
 
POD is 1783 well beforebefore any serious thought of ky state hood. Virginia in this timeline is pretty imperialistic. Even if the Nationalist are on the back burner at the moment.
1784 was the first state constitution convention in Kentucky to petition for statehood. Both Virginia and Kentucky agreed on statehood in 1788. It was only delayed at that point in OTL because of the Constitutional ratification and then because Vermont had to come first for... reasons.
 
1784 was the first state constitution convention in Kentucky to petition for statehood. Both Virginia and Kentucky agreed on statehood in 1788. It was only delayed at that point in OTL because of the Constitutional ratification and then because Vermont had to come first for... reasons.

Both of which are dates following the point of departure. The year that the state hood agreement was agreed upon OTL is in this time line the same time that Virginia is gearing up for its war with Maryland pressing the Potomac River fishing rights. Now the 1784 convention did happen however the 1788 state hood agreement didn't. It will be covered when I post the chapter that covers what the States that Make up the Pinckney Chancellorship, and shortly before. If you really want to know how I had the issue play out.I'll drop a preview I dislike doing this because its very very very rough and yes I cannot spell to save my life, and it take me a while to work these things down. but if I'm gonna do this then I'll ask for some feed back I'm torn what to call the two house of Delegates Western/Lexington/Kentucky for one and Eastern/Richmond/Virginian for the other.

CAS 1796-1805 Virgina The Kentucky Issue, The Old Dominion High Way and The James River and Kanawah Canal:
The Kentucky issue had started shortly after the end of the American Revolutionary War with the Constitutional convention in 1784. However with the increasing tensions amonst the states, Virginia chose to postpone any action on a secession of Kentucky from the Commonwealth till a later date. The Issue came up twice more once in 1786 and 1788 after which time The house of Delegates did pass a bill that would grant Kentucky internal jurisdiction with in Virginia but the Nationalist Governor Patrick Henry popponed the implementation of the law till a more peaceful time. The issue would sit untouched untill 1796 once the Commonwealth of American States was established that Richmond took up the Kentucky Issue once more. After much debate it was decided to split the house. As second house of Delegates would be created that would be located in Lexington on the Elk Horn Creek. This house to Be known as the Western/Lexington/Kentucky House of Delegates would service all counties west of the crest of the Applichian mountians. The Senate would remain in Richmond and the Governor would oversee the entire state government. As Lexington was already on the Old Dominion Highway which had just been completed it was on the direct path to Richmond. The Act would be signed by Governor James Monroe on August 17, 1796 and would take effect as soon as suitable housing for the new Western/Lexington/Kentucky house of Delegates and housing for its members could be provided.
 
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Both of which are dates following the point of departure. The year that the state hood agreement was agreed upon OTL is in this time line the same time that Virginia is gearing up for its war with Maryland pressing the Potomac River fishing rights. Now the 1784 convention did happen however the 1788 state hood agreement didn't. It will be covered when I post the chapter that covers what the States that Make up the Pinckney Chancellorship, and shortly before. If you really want to know how I had the issue play out.I'll drop a preview I dislike doing this because its very very very rough and yes I cannot spell to save my life, and it take me a while to work these things down. but if I'm gonna do this then I'll ask for some feed back I'm torn what to call the two house of Delegates Western/Lexington/Kentucky for one and Eastern/Richmond/Virginian for the other.

CAS 1796-1805 Virgina The Kentucky Issue, The Old Dominion High Way and The James River and Kanawah Canal:
The Kentucky issue had started shortly after the end of the American Revolutionary War with the Constitutional convention in 1784. However with the increasing tensions amonst the states, Virginia chose to postpone any action on a secession of Kentucky from the Commonwealth till a later date. The Issue came up twice more once in 1786 and 1788 after which time The house of Delegates did pass a bill that would grant Kentucky internal jurisdiction with in Virginia but the Nationalist Governor Patrick Henry popponed the implementation of the law till a more peaceful time. The issue would sit untouched untill 1796 once the Commonwealth of American States was established that Richmond took up the Kentucky Issue once more. After much debate it was decided to split the house. As second house of Delegates would be created that would be located in Lexington on the Elk Horn Creek. This house to Be known as the Western/Lexington/Kentucky House of Delegates would service all counties west of the crest of the Applichian mountians. The Senate would remain in Richmond and the Governor would oversee the entire state government. As Lexington was already on the Old Dominion Highway which had just been completed it was on the direct path to Richmond. The Act would be signed by Governor James Monroe on August 17, 1796 and would take effect as soon as suitable housing for the new Western/Lexington/Kentucky house of Delegates and housing for its members could be provided.

A possible name for one of the houses could be the House of Burgesses which is a typical Virginia name for their lower house in state legislature. NY still uses the colonial term Assembly, though no reason that Virginia can't use it as well.
 
Also intereting title fact I learned since moving to Ky little over a year a go is that the 84 convention suggested joining Spain as a protectorate. Only to have Virginia tell them to basically sit down and shut up. And OTL there were over 9 convention between 84 and 88.
 
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