God is a Frenchman

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I just read the whole thread instead of skimming (Tuesday and Saturday are my days off).
Since the war was a generation or two after the PoD, simply state that the ATL French are concentrating more on quality in shipbuilding and this is showing an effect. This would justify them being as good as the British in naval matters.
I fully agree with no dopplegangers after PoD plus nine months. I think someone here (you?) called it the ball jostle effect. I would not have had any post-PoD dopplegangers in my Aesop timeline (my sole paid publication), but such tardy dopplegangers are nearly ubiquitous in GURPS timelines and their lack is suspected to have implications I did not want.
Have several more minor reversals for France on its way to becoming a World Government, or what ever you plan for it. After all, America had the Vietnam War before becoming Sole Superpower. And even if God is French, a few small setbacks like the Restitution War make the plotline more plausible.
 
Interesting so far. But sooner or later, the technological advances fostered in Great Britain (and by derivation, in English-speaking North America) and the various German states (don't forget that even in their fragmented state in OTL, the most fundamental advances in organic chemistry and the basis of chemical engineering came from what is now Germany) will pay off dividends with interest, with France likely footing the bill: as we all know, paybacks can be a b!tch. :D

Rule, Britannia
Columbia, the Gem of the Ocean
Deutschland, Deutschland über Alles
 
And much of physics came from France. This is an ATL. France is just as likely to be in the forefront of science and technology as the nations you mention, if they play their cards right (and given this thread's title, I have a hunch they will...)
 
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And much of physics came from France. This is an ATL. France is just as likely to be in the forefront of science and technology as the nations you mention, if they play their cards right (and given this thread's title, I have a hunch they will...)

I question that. See the history of mathematics, particularly that related to engineering and you'll see a lot of British/Anglo-American names like Newton or a lot of Teutonic names like Liebnitz. Likewise for physics, with names like Watt, Gibbs, Gauss, Helmholtz, and Steinmetz.

I will concede Descartes and Curie, but those are exceptions to the rule.
 
Sadi Carnot, Antoine Lavoisier, Pierre-Simon Laplace, the Montgolfier brothers, C. J. Messier, Pierre Dulong, Alexis Petit, Jean-Baptiste Biot, Augustin Fresnel, Joseph Gay-Lussac, Andre Ampere, Felix Savart, Joseph Fourier, Gaspard-Gustave Coriolis, Augustin Cauchy, J. M. Jacquard, Jean Lamarck...
 
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I would also argue that the deaths or exile of so many talented and well-educated young men during the French Revolution significantly set back French science- similar to what happened in Central Europe during the 1930s.
 
And by now a new generation of ATL people has come of age (my ellipsis) to continue the pattern. France developed an "ivory tower" theoretical emphasis on science, while Britain a "down to earth" practical one. Same for America and Germanic countries. This is what I meant by playing their cards right.
 
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You've now gone over 5 days without extending the timeline! IIRC, this is a record. Please give us some more of the TL.
 
More thoughts on our recent topic.
The sea change in French attitudes towards science began in the French Revolution and Reign of Terror. Besides killing off a generation of bright young men, this tended to inhibit scientists and keep them to airy egg-head topics which would be less likely to anger the idealogues at the top (the old monarchs were more hands off to science). Then the inward turn that followed the disasterous Napoleonic Wars (which killed off the next generation of young bright Frenchmen, btw) exacerbated this. Finally, the English speaking people had the freedom to go to a frontier (America) if they stepped on the wrong toes (like Joseph Priestley). But here it is England which is isolationist and lacking a frontier. France may by now be not just a rival for leadership, but the leader.
BTW, in the early Nineties (according to my 1992 WRTH) the head of the Radio Television Francaise D'Outre-Mer, which regulates broadcasting in the French overseas territories, was Jean-Marie Cavada. The head of the equivalent of our FCC was Herve Bourges. The head of the French TV and radio network was Bruno Chetaille. The head of Radio France was Michel Boyon. These names might be appropriate for inventors of telecommunications in this ATL. We should be getting telegraphy in a few years.
 

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Sorry it took so long

1829:
In April, Malraux dies in his Paris home. King Louis XVII remains at his bedside throughout the weeklong ordeal, repeatedly promising his friend that he will not allow the reforms Malraux had brought to France to perish.

The Ottoman Empire, facing military defeat at the hands of the French-supported Greeks, finally recognizes the independence of the Greek kingdom in a peace deal brokered by the French. In exchange, the Turks gain a commitment from the French never to station troops in Greece and to diplomatically support them in any future conflicts with the Russians (the latter measure being kept secret).

King Henri I celebrates his eighteenth birthday and happily takes over direct control of the Kingdom of Spain. His father makes an extended trip to Madrid to join in the celebrations, while attempting to talk his son out of the more conservative measures he wishes to implement. To give his admonishments teeth, Louis mention to his son that the Treaty of Utrecht would prohibit him from inheriting the French throne upon his (Louis’) death. French power being what it is, Louis is obviously in a position to ignore it if he so wishes, but he does not have to.

After much soul-searching, King Louis chooses a replacement for Malraux as Prime Minister. Eugene Marceau, a conscientious civil servant who had worked his way up through the ranks and had recently served as finance minister. He is regarded as a man unlikely to make waves and so a good choice to help consolidate the Malraux reforms. In this, Louis maintains his meritocratic policy, promoting men based on their talent rather than their family connections.

1830:
The remaining Muslim tribes in Algeria surrender to the French army, thus securing French control over Algeria.

Construction begins on the Paris-to-Brussels Railway. With French engineers currently leading the world in rail technology, it is planned as the first step in building a railroad system that will link the entire nation. Specifically, this railroad is hoped to reduce travel time between Paris and the other main centers of Europe. Plans are also being laid for a more ambitious Paris-to-Marseilles Railroad.

An uprising by Italian nationalists takes place in Rome. They protest both against the control over secular affairs held by the Pope and the dominance of France over Italian affairs. The French garrison of Rome, technically fulfilling its mission of protecting the Pope, puts down the revolt, but there are heavy civilian casualties and much bad feeling is generated.

Greece signs a defensive alliance with France, with the understanding that the French will not station troops in Greece except in the event of war, as had been previously promised to the Turks.

A certain moderation in the behavior of King Henri of Spain is noticed this year.

1831:
With the Algerian conflict over, larger numbers of French troops are sent to Vietnam, where local kingdoms have begun pressuring the French to abandon their trading posts (which serve mainly to protest their trade route to China).

There has been a decided shift in relations between the French and the Indians in North America. East of the Mississippi, relations remain good. The less-nomadic nature of these tribes, the legal definition of the Indians as French subjects and the gradual acceptance of the idea of property ownership among the Indians keeps tensions low. A large number of people with mixed Indian and French ancestry are being born.

West of the Mississippi, however, relations have worsened as increasingly large numbers of French settlers are moving into the territory. Conflicts are fierce and increasingly common. The Teton Sioux, having suffered at the hands of several French punitive expeditions, become unlikely allies to the French, who begin recruiting them as scouts and shock troops in return for allowing them to take the land and possessions of many of their traditional enemies.

The Tory party retakes control of the British Parliament, thus squelching any discussion of changes in the constitutional relationship between Britain and the Dominion of America, at least for the time being. Many have pointed out that, as the trade links between the two sides are so closely intertwined, it might make more sense simply to combine the two Parliaments and make them into a single nation, similar to what happened between Scotland and England in 1707.

Political observers in Britain give the matter little thought, as an upsurge in violence in Ireland gains the most attention from the press. A new faction of Irish nationalists, called the Sons of Saint Patrick, seek complete Irish independence. Somewhat more worrisome is their insistence that they would have French support in any uprising and that Ireland would join the Holy Alliance once it gains independence. This raises tensions somewhat between France and Britain, although the French truthfully tell the British that they have nothing to do with the organization and think they are a bunch of troublemakers.

The financing of railroad lines has become a major issue in France. There are technicians and raw materials aplenty, but raising sufficient funds has become a matter of grave concern. In response, Prime Minister Marceau creates the Banque de France (Bank of France), a central bank to help finance such projects and regulate the French currency. Railroad construction immediately pick up, and numerous other benefits follow. Because the bank quickly establishes a reputation as the most stable financial institution in the world, numerous wealthy foreigners and foreign governments (including even the Pope) despot their wealth and open lines of credit through the bank.

1832:
French troops are involved in several punitive expeditions in Vietnam, punishing the small kingdoms there who have attempted to interfere with French trading interests. Consequently, larger areas of Vietnam come under French control.

A French regiment patrolling the border with the Sikhs becomes involved in a large-scale skirmish with a similar-sized Sikh unit. In a day-long battle, the French regiment is roughly handled and forced to retreat. A Muslim unit of the French Indian army arrives to reinforce the French but is also forced to retreat. On-the-spot negotiations quickly restore calm, as neither side wants hostilities to break out, but many observers note the surprising Sikh fighting ability. The flow of Russian weapons and military advisors to the Sikhs continues.

Construction is completed on the Paris-to-Brussels Railroad, and construction begins on a branching line to Calais and the other Channel ports. Work on the Paris-to-Marseilles Railroad gets under way. The press describes the construction as the “Railroad Craze.” Similar programs are getting under way in other countries, although Spain lags behind the rest due to the lack of training technicians.

It is noted that a large number of French artists and writers have begun traveling to India, many of them remaining for years. Much of the art produced in France has decidedly Indian themes and incorporate the stories of Hinduism. The Catholic Church disapproves of this, but few see it as a matter of concern. Even the artists themselves see it as nothing more than mythological source material, similar to that which had been provided by ancient Greece and Rome.

King Louis XVII holds a meeting with the Pope in the city of Genoa. With Italian nationalism on the rise, the idea is floated of uniting the entire Peninsula (with the exception of the Papal States, of course) into a single Kingdom of Italy, which will be tied to France by the Holy Alliance. The Pope stresses that the Church must remain in complete control of all religious and educational affairs in such a kingdom and must have influence in secular matters as well. The Pope also admonishes Louis for considering the idea of a state-supported public education system in France.

At the same time, King Louis sends letters to several heads-of-state in Germany, suggesting that they more closely align their policies and trading relationships as the first step in the creation of a German Confederation. Most reply politely but noncommittally.

1833:
Construction of the first railroad in India, from the French capital of Pondicherry to the Mysorean capital at Srirangapatna, is begun. In New France, a similar project seeks to link Quebec and Montreal. Throughout the French Empire, there are discussions of building large steamships to link the various ports of call.

When protests erupt in Mexico City calling for freer trade between New Spain and Europe, the Spanish Viceroy uses brutal force to break up the demonstration. Surprising many observers, King Henri responds by summoning the Viceroy home and stripping him of his noble rank, an act which gains him many supporters among the middle-class in New Spain. Working behind the scenes, King Louis had again threatened to cut him out of the inheritance of the French throne unless Henri acted with moderation in the matter.

More discussions are held regarding German unification. Within France, government and military officials regard the creation of some sort of German confederation as a potential buffer state between France and Russia. To a lesser degree, the same is true of the potential Kingdom of Italy vis-à-vis Austria. However, some in the French government fear the potential power of such united nations and insist that measures be enacted to ensure that they will remain under de facto French control.
 

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1834:
King Louis XVII is seriously wounded in an assassination attempt, when a bomb goes off next to his carriage while he is on the way to a theatrical performance. Within hours, several suspects are captured, quickly identified as a group of radical Italian nationalists. Hey admit their responsibility, saying that the attack was retaliation for the French response to the 1830 Rome Uprising.

For several days, it is feared that Louis will die of his injuries, and King Henri is summoned from Madrid. The French public is dismayed, not only at the popular king’s life-or-death struggle, but at the thought that the unpopular king of Spain will soon be their monarch. More disturbingly, Russian diplomats state unequivocally that they cannot allow the thrones of France and Spain to be united.

However, to the surprise and relief of everyone (except Henri), Louis rallies and begins to recover. Much to his delight, the administration of France and its colonial empire had continuing to function perfectly even while he was incapacitated, reflecting the benefit of the Malraux Reforms. One of his first acts after he resumes his duties is to dispatch a stern note to St. Petersburg, warning the Russians against any interference in Franco-Spanish affairs.

In India, tensions between the French and the Sikhs continue to rise, partially because Russian advisors are influencing the Sikh royal house and attempting to persuade them that the Sikh army is strong enough to defeat the French and, indeed, to conquer all of India.

On the other hand, the French use the tensions with the Sikhs to consolidate their control over India even further. As the Sikhs have traditionally been the enemies of the both the Sikhs and the Muslims, the French use the xenophobia of the Indian princes vis-à-vis the Sikhs to appear as the defender of Indian liberty.

1835:
The revelation that the men who carried out the assassination attempt on the king came from the Republic of Genoa causes an outrage among the French population. The government of the republic declares truthfully that they had nothing to do with the plot, but it is soon discovered that the prefect of the Genoese police who details of the plot and did nothing to interfere. In response, French troops occupy the city, the republican government putting up no resistance. Ostensibly, they are there to sweep the city for other radical elements, but few expect the French troops to leave.

At the same time, the French garrison in Rome takes over internal security duties from the Papal police, sweeping the city and arresting many suspected radicals.

As months passes following the assassination attempt, it is clear that the wounds sustained by Louis will never fully heal and that his health is going downhill. King Henri pays him a visit in Paris and the younger man insists that, when he assumes the throne of France, he will act “as his conscience dictates.” This is not good enough for Louis, who wishes Henri to make a pledge not to interfere with the Malraux reforms or the “basic rights of the people.” Henri refuses to do this.

Disappointed and fearful, Louis studies the Treaty of Utrecht and considers declaring someone else his heir. The nearest relative aside from Henri was the king’s fourteen-year-old nephew, the Duke of Orleans. The young Duke, however, was mentally retarded and would be unacceptable.

Realizing that it was inevitable that Henri would inherit the kingdom, Louis instead becomes determined to push through new reforms to limit the power of the king. He summons his ministers to Versailles and asks them to outline a plan to institute a limited monarch, similar to the system prevailing in Great Britain. In the meantime, Louis begins reading up on Locke and Hume.

Russian armies continue their campaign to subdue Central Asia and fight a intermittent war against the Persians along the southern coast of the Caspian Sea.

An ambitious plan for a “Dominion Railway” which will link the entire Dominion of America from Boston to Savannah is put forward in the Dominion Parliament, with the Whigs backing the plan. It is approved pending the raising of funds.
 

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1836:
In April, government ministers present a plan to King Louis XVII, whose health is now rapidly declining. It is proposed to call the States General, an obscure assembly which had not been used since the early 17th Century. The group would be reformed, made permanent, and gradually assume many legislative functions similar to those held by the British Parliament. At the same time, echoing many ideas of the Enlightenment philosophes, a specific declarations of rights held by the people would be published and given legal authority.

Louis, knowing he has only a few months to live, gives his approval for the plan. He summons Henri from Madrid to tell him about it, which turns out to be a grave mistake. The young King of Spain flies into a rage. From the next room, ministers and various officials can hear the two kings loudly and bitterly arguing with each other. Accounts differ: the Reformist French ministers of Louis say that Henri was cruel and vindictive, whereas the reaction Spanish and French allies of Henri declare that Louis was unfair and obtuse, mocking his son. After a time, however, there was only silence, and afterwards the sound of Henri crying.

The next morning, Henri emerges to tell the frightened assemblage of officials that Louis was dead. According to the reactionaries, he had simply found the strain of the family quarrel too much for him and suffered a heart attack. The Reformists, however, would always maintain that Henri himself killed Louis.

Henri’s Spanish bodyguard and French soldiers following orders of reactionary nobles arrest the Reformist minister who are present, so as to squelch any rumors of how Louis died. Gendarmes are immediately dispatched to the offices of the major Paris newspapers and urgent messages are sent to the provinces and other towns and cities for similar messages.

The next day, Henri addresses an assembly of nobles, expressing great grief at the death of his father while being proclaimed as King Henri V of France. He pledges to maintain the policies of his “illustrious father,” including the upholding of press freedoms. Even as he is speaking, newspapers are being given long lists of topics they are forbidden to discuss.

Europe watches nervously, and diplomatic notes are dispatched by Britain and Austria expressing “concern” over Henri’s succession and recalling that the Treaty of Utrecht expresses forbids the throne of France and Spain being united. Russia, however, is the only nation which uses the word “violation” when it discusses the Treaty. France and Spain issue a joint communiqué, stating that the French and Spanish thrones are not technically united, and that Henri is simply the simultaneous king of both France and Spain.

A week after the coronation, a small French newspaper prints an eye-witness account of one of the Reformist ministers who was present at Versailles when Louis died and had somehow gotten away without being arrested. The minister stated his "undoubted belief" that Henri purposefully killed his father. Quickly reprinted in pamphlet form, the news sweeps through Paris. Riots break out within hours, “Down with the Usurper!” becoming the rallying cry. The French Army is called out as rioters begin setting up barricades. The narrow streets of Paris make it almost impossible for the troops to regain control of certain neighborhoods, and they become no-go zones.

As word spreads throughout France, riots break out in other towns and cities as well. Reformist politicians are simultaneously eager to prevent Henri from taking the throne and terrified at the possibility of the country sinking into anarchy. France seems to be on the verge of complete revolution.

Throughout the spring and into the summer, Henri regains control of Paris and some measure of control over the rest of France. He issues a proclamation, declaring that he will uphold the policies of his “illustrious father” and specifically that he will not interfere with the freedom of the press. However, he has already begun to prevent newspapers from printing material considered to be subversive, and the Reformist ministers in the French government are steadily being dismissed and replaced with reactionaries. In a few cases, Frenchmen are even being replaced by Spaniards.

Riots continue to flair up and many outlying cities (particularly the Channel ports) seem to be under limited government control, if any. Reformist politicians and civil servants, fearful of being arrested, gradually filter out of Paris or hide themselves away in anti-Henri neighborhoods.

The colonies of the French Empire remain stable. The administrators simply keep doing their jobs and watch events unfold in France.

The rest of Europe watches uneasily. Britain worries that political disruption will harm its exports into Europe, on which its economy depends. However, other countries see an opportunity to throw off the French yoke. Russia immediately orders its ambassadors to make inquires regarding the possibility of an alliance against the French. With the French distracted by internal disorder, the Holy Alliance itself might be completely dismantled.

Austria responds favorably, seeing an opportunity to restore the Hapsburg position in Italy. Prussia, Saxony and some other German states which have long desired to see French power in Germany overthrown also show interest. The British, however, are noncommittal, being of the opinion that the disorder in France is temporary and, at any rate, concerned over the possibility of the Dominion of America being overwhelmed by French forces in New France, which remains stable.

The disorder in France and the diplomatic maneuvering persists throughout the year.
 
I'm not too sure if I want to cheer for a Spanish Empire or a Spanish ruled France.

*waves a giant Spanish flag, half hazardly

Just curious - what is the state of the Spaniards towards Henri? In the previous segments you pointed out that Henri has spending a lot of time in Spain, mostly conservative, and not at all French. I was just wondering on how Henri managed to become Spanish, provided that ITTL there's this "Complex" going on that France is getting too big for it's britches, as one might say. There's also how Spain sort of functions with Henri as (I want to say patsy but that's too harsh) one of their own - are they proud? is there dissidents? (spoiler leading, I know) I'm just curious on th' state of Spain at the point of the current segment.

Oh - BTW- what does the Dominion of America's flag look like?
 

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G.Bone said:
Just curious - what is the state of the Spaniards towards Henri?

Keep in mind that Spain, both in TTL and in OTL, is a rather reactionary place in the early 19th Century, controlled by priests and conservative aristocrats. Once they saw that Henri was one of them, they got along just fine.

IOTL, the Spanish fought the French in the Peninsular War largely because they feared the liberal ideas of the Revolution. In the 1820s, when the French invaded Spain to restore conservative rule, there was more or less the opposite reaction.

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Oh - BTW- what does the Dominion of America's flag look like?

Thirteen stripes with the Union Jack in the upper left corner. I'd post one, but I have no idea how to do graphics.

For that matter, I'd make a wonderful map of this timeline, but have no idea how.
 
Great! The scenario reminds me of the "Shattered Imperium" subset of the Megatraveler RPG. And I like seeing some bad luck for France... the thing I most LOATHE about the Draka TL is how they go from a small spot on the tip of Africa to absolute rulers of the entire globe (and a good chunk of the Solar System IIRC) in little more than two centuries IN A STRAIGHT LINE. Maybe later, you can have them lose a First Franco-Russian War (and/or a First Sino-French War) and then learn their lesson and make up lost ground and more in a Second War.
 
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