Go North, Young Man: The Great Canada

TheMann, have you read Fear, Loathing, and Gumbo on the Campaign Trail '72 and its sequel?

If TTL's Canada existed in that world, a lot more Americans would be fleeing to Canada...

I'm pretty sure butterflies would prevent anything like that from coming to pass.
 
Is that plausible? Icelanders tend to be more than a little bit proud of their independence. It would be good to have in Canada and indeed Canadian development and support would probably be able to be meshed with Iceland as it exists, but I'm not sure if you could make it possible.

As far as I'm aware, the option has been considered by Iceland a couple of times, as well as adopting the Canadian dollar as the official currency.

That being said I'm not sure how much thought was seriously given to the idea by Iceland.
 
I'm pretty sure butterflies would prevent anything like that from coming to pass.

The Red Scare likely will still exist and likely still be an environment a "strong man" could exploit into enforcing tyranny. Said American "strong man" could also make up revanchist claims to Washington state.
 
The Red Scare likely will still exist and likely still be an environment a "strong man" could exploit into enforcing tyranny. Said American "strong man" could also make up revanchist claims to Washington state.

Actually, judging by TheMann's past TLs, I bet America actually becomes more liberal ITTL.

Paging any ASBs.

I for one would love to see the Canadians kicking Rummy's ass.
 

Ming777

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One thing is for sure, Canada here appears to be among the most prepared Allied nations for the outbreak of war. Looking forward to the section(s) on WWII and Canada's role.
 
I will likewise be interested in seeing how the Civil Rights movement will unfold TTL. It appears that Canada is setting an example in that respect.
 
Actually, judging by TheMann's past TLs, I bet America actually becomes more liberal ITTL.

This is what I was getting at. Canadian influence leading to more humanitarian policies by governments and corporations -- affordable and customer-friendly healthcare, for one.
 
It's the cold war era I'm exited about. No way Canada will allow the US pretty much bankrolling tyrants all for the cause of anti-communism. Canada might intrude into the Proxy War by expanding Welfare Capitalism into these countries, significantly stabilizing them while reaping great rewards in the future.

I don't see Canadian Politics changing American Politics. US public and politicians don't look outside for examples and Big Business wouldn't allow it.
 
America mught well become more liberal, but I think (initially at least) more divided
as greater zeal in social reform tends to meet greater backlash from traditionlists.
 
It's the cold war era I'm exited about. No way Canada will allow the US pretty much bankrolling tyrants all for the cause of anti-communism. Canada might intrude into the Proxy War by expanding Welfare Capitalism into these countries, significantly stabilizing them while reaping great rewards in the future.

I don't see Canadian Politics changing American Politics. US public and politicians don't look outside for examples and Big Business wouldn't allow it.

Influence the influencers.
 
As far as I'm aware, the option has been considered by Iceland a couple of times, as well as adopting the Canadian dollar as the official currency.

Iceland voted to end it's personal union with Denmark by 97% and take back control of its own foreign affairs so I don't think they would really be interested in becoming part of another country that it doesn't share much in common with.
 
Iceland voted to end it's personal union with Denmark by 97% and take back control of its own foreign affairs so I don't think they would really be interested in becoming part of another country that it doesn't share much in common with.

That was my thought too, if I'm honest. As much as I love the idea of Canadian Iceland in a way, I don't think it's feasible.
 
I must admit that I've kinda sailed through the pre-WWII writing, but at this point it starts to make impacts on others (as people have pointed out) and I'm not quite sure where to go with that just yet.

For starters, I gotta think about an idea that has interested me for a long time - Churchill's idea of having France join the UK as it was falling to have portions of the French armed forces evacuate to Britain and thus live to fight another day, and then have the Union remain alive after the war. This is more likely with a successful Canada that has greater achievements for its French and Native populations, but still a tall order. And people are right about the effects of the Civil Rights Movement, and Canada being that way also could have big impacts on plans for Caribbean territories, too. I'm not sure quite yet where to go on that all, having to research it all.
 
I must admit that I've kinda sailed through the pre-WWII writing, but at this point it starts to make impacts on others (as people have pointed out) and I'm not quite sure where to go with that just yet.

For starters, I gotta think about an idea that has interested me for a long time - Churchill's idea of having France join the UK as it was falling to have portions of the French armed forces evacuate to Britain and thus live to fight another day, and then have the Union remain alive after the war. This is more likely with a successful Canada that has greater achievements for its French and Native populations, but still a tall order. And people are right about the effects of the Civil Rights Movement, and Canada being that way also could have big impacts on plans for Caribbean territories, too. I'm not sure quite yet where to go on that all, having to research it all.

I don't really think that the union could work. The French are not going to want to be ruled from Britain and the British aren't going to want to want to be ruled by France. There is also the royal family to consider. I think that it's status is going to need to be discussed. I think that if it had happened it would have fallen apart near the end or right after the war.
 
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Ming777

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At most, I think it would be a temporary political union, though perhaps there remains some agreements on mutual defence, trade, and social policies.
 
It's politically impossible. France and the French will never accept it. Also, at the time no one was thinking that the Nazi were actually going to annex France, since doing so to a nationalistic people is an exercise in futility. So at worst they expected a harsh peace treaty in the veins of the Treaty of Versailles.
 

Ming777

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I wonder if the Canadians might consider installing Pom-Poms or Bofors 40 mm guns on their ships before and during the early months of the war.
 
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