What effect does a more successful Canada have on television? Sidney Newman was a Canadian. Does that mean that the equivalent of Doctor Who ITTL is a Canadian production?
Go North, Young Man: The Great Canada
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With Canada having a bigger homegrown media industry, does this mean fewer Canadians working in American TV? If so the original series of Star Trek will be unrecognisable.
At least in English Canada; their Québecois counterparts already have a strong homegrown media industry.
OTL German capital ships never shelled Saint John's.
But U-boats did sail up the Saint Lawrence River past Rivière du Loup, sinking a few merchant vessels and closing the Saint Lawrence River to shipping.
Cargo was forced onto trains that delivered their goods to Halifax where it was loaded onto ships.
A better solution would be better RCN ASW ships in the Saint Lawrence River backed by hydrophones on the riverbed and RCAF patrol planes above.
The ability to load ships in Montreal or Quebec City would shave a few billion dollars off the cost of Lend Lease.
But U-boats did sail up the Saint Lawrence River past Rivière du Loup, sinking a few merchant vessels and closing the Saint Lawrence River to shipping.
Cargo was forced onto trains that delivered their goods to Halifax where it was loaded onto ships.
A better solution would be better RCN ASW ships in the Saint Lawrence River backed by hydrophones on the riverbed and RCAF patrol planes above.
The ability to load ships in Montreal or Quebec City would shave a few billion dollars off the cost of Lend Lease.
Indeed you are correct, but with three of the others who were instrumental in war victory (America, Britain and France) were insistent that Canada's efforts deserved them a spot on the UNSC, and China wasn't objecting to Canada's presence. The Soviet Union's relationship with the UN isn't always gonna be very nice in the future.
True again, but France is looking to have Canada be a natural ally of them. In the future, Britain, France and Canada will all be seeking to act as mediators between Washington and Moscow both on the UNSC and outside of it.
I can't see things being much different from OTL, but the NHL certainly will be. There will be fourteen NHL teams in Canada in this world - the OTL seven plus the Quebec Nordiques, Hamilton Coyotes, London Knights, Atlantic Spirit (which play home games in Halifax), Seattle Seahawks (they will get a NFL franchise, but the NHL team will be there first) and Saskatchewan Lightning. Rocket Richard will still be a player for the Canadiens, though I am thinking he might have longer career in hockey than IOTL.
The Gouzenko affair did happen, and when combined with the Berlin Airlift is going to sow the seeds of the Cold War.
Canada will not be involved in Vietnam - in fact, I'm not sure it should even happen, namely because I have different fates in mind for Japan and Korea, and the British Commonwealth is going to hang to a presence in Asia. Mao is still going to be victorious in China, But China is gonna be surrounded by economic tigers, and the British Commonwealth is going to play a few different roles post-war, ones which are going to considerable benefit to everyone involved, Britain included.
Energy Independence isn't gonna be anywhere close in the immediate post-war world, but as Canada is going to have a major surplus of power by the 1970s (projections about electricity demand growth in North America were hugely optimistic, which is going to be true ITTL as well, and it will make sure the Quebec, Ontario, Manitoba and British Columbia are going to have a huge surplus of hydroelectric power, which is going to be used to make for dirt-cheap electric power in Canada and to provide lots of power to border areas of the United States. Nuclear energy in Canada is going to get going in the 1950s, with several CANDU plants built in Ontario, New Brunswick and Alberta in the 1950s and 1960s, and the United States after about 1962 or so is going to dive into that world with both feet, and the two countries are going to co-operate on what to do about the waste that nuclear power stations leave behind. By the 1970s, Canada will be getting 90% of its power from hydroelectric or nuclear power stations, and that cheap power will also manifest itself in other infrastructure changes - electrified mainline railroads, electric-operated mass transit in both large and small cities, electric heating of homes, et cetera.
The Middle East is going to end up being a very different place than OTL by the 1980s, which is going to change the geopolitical situation of the world. I've already mentioned the Ottawa Treaty, but that will be one of a bunch of changes in this world that is going to shift the goalposts of that part of the world. Canada will be supplying the needs of both Europe and America (the oil pipeline to Halifax was completed during WWII and there will be a couple more) and dumping much of the proceeds from that into government funds meant to be investment tools. By the 1980s these funds will have trillions of dollars in them, making for massive investment income, cheap development loans, major leverage over the companies they invest in and plenty of investment income for both Ottawa and the provinces. This will also make sure that the canadian dollar is a major trading currency, which raises the value of the Canadian dollar - by TTL's 2016, the Canadian Dollar and British Pound are worth about the same, and is worth rather more than the US Dollar or Euro.
See above.
Could be. Maybe a BBC-CBC co-production, filmed both in London and Toronto or Montreal.
Canada here is going to have a massively larger homegrown media industry (Canadian content rules and the requirement of Canadian ownership of media outlets are going to push it, as will strategic investments by the CBC and lots of other government bodies, not to mention private investors), so yes that will mean much fewer Canadians headed to New York and Los Angeles. I can make an exception to have Star Trek still happen as IOTL, or I could also have it be a Canadian idea.
The Hollywood North nicknames that get attached to Toronto and Vancouver are gonna be attached here too, and earlier than OTL, too. The CBC's immense studios in Montreal (built in the 1960s) and in Toronto (first one built during the Depression, replaced by a new complex in the 1980s) will have tons of space for all kinds of projects, and the CTV studios in Toronto and the Radio-Quebec studios in Quebec City also have such resources. The Canadian Media empires (and there will be more than just Bell and Rogers) will be huge players by the 1980s. See above.
You could have the French just accept that it's a lost cause, then Ho Chi Min might not go to the Soviets looking for support.
Donald Reaver
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All the current members of the security council have nuclear weapons. Is Canada going down that road?
I feel like they will. Having nuclear weapons kind of signifys that a nation is one of the great powers. You could have Canada and Britain cooperate on a nuclear programme which would make them both nuclear powers by the 50s.
Do you think there would be a possibility of a PM or party coming along down the road though that would ban nuclear weapons the way Trudeau did in the 80's? Cause that's a very strong possibility depending on the way politics and Canadian culture shift post-Second World War.
I'm also curious to know what First Nations languages have revived TTL, and to what extent.
I'm also curious to know what First Nations languages have revived TTL, and to what extent.
Ming777
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France's support is key in Canada getting permanent membership. The Soviets might have tolerated Canada given it is possible the Soviets received some materiel from Canada via lend-lease.
Australia's interests could be represented by Britain and Canada, and eventually becomes a regular rotating participant in the UNSC.
Australia's interests could be represented by Britain and Canada, and eventually becomes a regular rotating participant in the UNSC.
That won't be the case until after the energy crisis, where resource wealth pushes the amount of money in the resource funds into the stratosphere, driving the Canadian dollar's value with it despite multiple attempts by Ottawa to tamp it down so as to not ruin the country's industrial and export sectors. By the 1990s, Canada's huge amount of funds available and at very low interest rates, cheap electric power, efficient transportation infrastructure and highly-educated workforce will make sure that the country is a center for higher-tech industries, particularly in the Salish Sea and St. Lawrence River Valley areas.
I'm thinking that I might just have Vietnam be a proxy war rather than having direct deployment of huge numbers of American soldiers, perhaps involving American air and naval power to support the South Vietnamese. Beyond that, I'm not sure how that's gonna go just yet.
I'm of two minds on this. I can't see Canada operating SSBNs or missiles, but I have had the idea of bombers and tactical nuclear weapons. I've already planned out a fair bit of what Canada's armed forces will look like in the future and I can see the aircraft in question as nuclear strike platforms, but I'm not sure how well that would work. Maybe Canada does like India and uses MRBMs, but even that I think is unlikely because of the fact that America is next door and there is no earthly way Canada could win a conflict that goes even full-on conventional warfare with America. I'd be more inclined to have Canada have a smaller armed forces but one with extraordinary expeditionary capabilities, contributing substantially to NATO but able to be a major peacekeeper and effectively deploy anywhere in the world rather rapidly if the situation required it, using money that might otherwise be used on nuclear weapons on aircraft carriers and amphibious ships and airlift aircraft capable of delivering goods anywhere along with highly-trained infantry and special forces.
On the flip side, this is a country that has immense resources and the idea of an Anglo-Canadian nuclear program here is not at all crazy, particularly as a sizable portion of Tube Alloys research was going on in Canada and Canada would be a likely source (them or Australia, really) of uranium for the British nuclear weapons project, and having Canada have access to nuclear weapons would probably change Canada's relationship with the United States with regards to defense.
That might be a possibility, but it would depend on the viewpoint of nuclear technology in Canada and the reputation of Canada's armed forces, which to be fair after the Cold War did sink a fair bit. Not sure how that's gonna play out just yet.
As far as First Nations languages go, it is now pretty common occurrence to have the tribal schools (which here do have standards equal to or in some cases higher than the provinces they are located in) teach the languages of the tribes in question, to the point where the many different variations of Algonquian languages are merging into one another, particularly among the languages with the greatest number of native speakers (Ojibwe, Blackfoot, Cree and Mikmaq in particular) in a way similar to how English is spoken differently and with different words depending on the nation it comes from. There is a sufficient number of speakers of these languages (roughly 650,000 in the 1951 Census that use it either as a first or second language) that there is a push among many Native tribes to create distinct a Algonquian language and get it recognized as an official language of Canada, though government agencies and officials most connected to these tribes almost universally speak it and one can get practically any government document and more than a few private sector ones in Algonquian languages. It is a similar story, though rather more fractured, among West Coast Native Canadians and the Inuit. Metis communities are common speakers of Algonquian languages as well. Practically everyone in Canada speaks English or French fluently, and many Natives are even trilingual. The influx of new Canadians is adding dozens of other home languages to the nation, and while English and French will remain the dominant tongues of Canada, the Algonquian push will bear real fruit by the 1970s, and there will be distinct Canadian versions of both French and English.
About 175,000 before the outbreak of war, about another 30,000 after the Fall of France (more than a few of these fled to Britain with nothing but the shirts on their backs) and 107,000 Holocaust survivors. More will come after the war. By OTL's 2016, Canada's Jewish population will number roughly 1.2 million, far larger than any other countries save Israel and the United States.
Correct on the Soviet Union getting Lead-Lease support from Canada, and the Soviet Union's primary problem with the UNSC - the fact that they are outnumbered so badly - is reduced a fair bit by Mao's victory in China. What is really going to get the Soviet Union and their allies angry is that Canada is going to be only too happy to play wingman to both France and Britain where it is appropriate, and both countries are going to be influenced by (and influence themselves) their friends on the other side of the Atlantic. In the post-war, Ottawa's geopolitical realities are its relationships with Washington, London and Paris.
You could have Canada base it nuclear strategy around long range stand off missiles. That way it wouldn't need to develop special platforms but would still have nuclear capability. Have a fleet of 20 bombers which would also be able to carry conventional weapons and it would also be great for foreign interventions.
Will you give a very detailed explanation of the Ottawa Treaty? Like a Wikipedia page summary?