Gloria Plantagenesta

Gloria Plantagenesta

Here is the intro of the timeline.

Charles Martel, son of the duke of Calabria the brother of Joanna of Naples, the son of Charles the Duke of Calabria survives infancy, Humbert of Dauphine does not sell his duchy to France in 1349 and Charles Martel marries Elisabeth, the last heir of the Kingdom of Mallorca in 1357 and because of this he inherits Montpeiller, Carlat, Provence and Mallorca in addition to the Kingdom of Naples Charles Martel and Elisabeth later has a son named Raymond, the treaty of Bretigny happens as OTL and ,Humbert of Dauphine sells his lands to to Charles Martel in 1362 instead to the King of France which causes his realm to be elevated to a duchy in the Holy Roman Empire, assisted by Emperor Charles IV he attacks Eastern Languedoc, Carlat, Lyonnais and French Provence and annexes it which causes instability in France, and later Charles Martel has another son named Louis, who was been decided to inherit Naples.

Edward the Black Prince decides to be a priest in a seminary because he decides that being a priest would make his lineage more possible to better their position in their claim to the French throne and he appointed John of Gaunt as heir and earlier he did not marry his OTL wife, John of Gaunt already had three children, Philippa, Elizabeth and Henry. Edward II of England and his Plantagenet allies take advantage of the situation caused by Charles Martel and because of the lack of French control in the western languedoc and it's isolation they defeat the Aragonese forces in the Rousillon and create a puppet duchy called the Duchy of Narbonne ruled by Aimery Lara which causes Plantagenets to gain one more ally in South of France an ally that is strong in Southern France and they have another ally in the Holy Roman Emperor.

The relations between Charles Martel and John Gaunt become good friends and they become strategic allies because of their huge lands in Southern France something that the Valois did not like.

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Edward III might have a problem with the Black Prince deciding to be a priest.

A serious problem.

Not to mention that this would be a rather different fellow than OTL's Black Prince.

Not sure what you mean by "being a priest would make his lineage more possible to better their position in their claim to the French throne" either.

Picking this because I think it capsizes the idea regardless of the first paragraph.
 
Edward III might have a problem with the Black Prince deciding to be a priest.

A serious problem.

Not to mention that this would be a rather different fellow than OTL's Black Prince.

Not sure what you mean by "being a priest would make his lineage more possible to better their position in their claim to the French throne" either.

Picking this because I think it capsizes the idea regardless of the first paragraph.
His lineage, I mean Plantagenet and he wants the Plantagenets to rule France, I will revise it until I post the actual timeline.
 
In this TL, I plan that the Plantagenets become an equivalent of the Habsburgs in our Timeline only that their center of Power is in France not Austria and they will try to invade the Aztecs and colonize the Americas.
 
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In this TL, Joan of Arc allies with the Plantagenets and have French support, the Plantagenet heir does not inherit England yet but he inherits England at his later years.
 
In this TL, Joan of Arc allies with the Plantagenets and have French support, the Plantagenet heir does not inherit England yet but he inherits England at his later years.

1) Assuming Joan of Arc isn't hit by a butterfly, why would she choose to support the Plantagents? As in, the English?

2) So the Plantagenet heir - as in the English royal dynasty's heir - doesn't inherit England unt...wait, what?

My suspension of disbelief just died.

If you want a Plantagent dynasty being like the Hapsburgs of OTL, that's not necessarily unbelievable. But it seems you're unsure who the Plantagents are.

Either that or you're using it to mean a different dynasty than the one which ruled England from Henry II to Richard II (not counting the Houses of York and Lancaster).
 
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1) Assuming Joan of Arc isn't hit by a butterfly, why would she choose to support the Plantagents? As in, the English?

2) So the Plantagenet heir - as in the English royal dynasty's heir - doesn't inherit England unt...wait, what?

My suspension of disbelief just died.

If you want a Plantagent dynasty being like the Hapsburgs of OTL, that's not necessarily unbelievable. But it seems you're unsure who the Plantagents are.

Either that or you're using it to mean a different dynasty than the one which ruled England from Henry II to Richard II (not counting the Houses of York and Lancaster).

It is the Lancaster dynasty actually but still Plantagenet.

The Plantagenet heir gain France first and have the French nobles ally with him and his father is the king of england and when his father dies he becomes the king of England.

I will also do a Plantagenet Poland in my TL.
 
It is the Lancaster dynasty actually but still Plantagenet.

Why are the Lancasterian dynasty inheriting the throne? Edward III (shouldn't be Edward II if he's the Black Prince's father) is the father of John of Gaunt, if memory serves. So this "Plantagent allies" thing...doesn't really make sense.

I mean, his sons are presumably loyal. Its not as if the House of Lancaster being one family makes the duchy more a part of England than something else.

The Plantagenet heir gain France first and have the French nobles ally with him and his father is the king of england and when his father dies he becomes the king of England.
How the hey does that happen? Even with French allies, even with Charles IV as an ally.

I will also do a Plantagenet Poland in my TL.
This actually makes more sense than how somehow John of Gaunt or his descendants inherit the kingdom of France and then England.
 
Why are the Lancasterian dynasty inheriting the throne? Edward III (shouldn't be Edward II if he's the Black Prince's father) is the father of John of Gaunt, if memory serves. So this "Plantagent allies" thing...doesn't really make sense.

I mean, his sons are presumably loyal. Its not as if the House of Lancaster being one family makes the duchy more a part of England than something else.

How the hey does that happen? Even with French allies, even with Charles IV as an ally.

This actually makes more sense than how somehow John of Gaunt or his descendants inherit the kingdom of France and then England.
I made Charles the mad with no male heirs in my TL and the Duke of Orleans usurps the throne at first.
 
I'm sorry but no way would the eldest son be allowed to enter Priesthood. The best way to get rid of Edward the Black Prince and replace him with John of Gaunt is to have him killed in the battle of Crecy
 
I'm sorry but no way would the eldest son be allowed to enter Priesthood. The best way to get rid of Edward the Black Prince and replace him with John of Gaunt is to have him killed in the battle of Crecy

Maybe it's an April Fools? ;) Otherwise, I seriously have no idea.

But yes kasumigenx, there's really no reason the English throne should ever be divested on a separate man from the French throne in an "English conquer France" scenario, except in the case where France is (somehow) made independent again - which should only be done against the wishes of the Kings if you can manage that, or in a Hapsburg-style "this Empire is now too large to hold together" - but that would require more countries than just England and France being united. If nothing else, the reigns of Henry II and sons should show that having two Kings on two thrones from the same family, and supposedly working together, is a Very Bad Thing.
 
Maybe it's an April Fools? ;) Otherwise, I seriously have no idea.

But yes kasumigenx, there's really no reason the English throne should ever be divested on a separate man from the French throne in an "English conquer France" scenario, except in the case where France is (somehow) made independent again - which should only be done against the wishes of the Kings if you can manage that, or in a Hapsburg-style "this Empire is now too large to hold together" - but that would require more countries than just England and France being united. If nothing else, the reigns of Henry II and sons should show that having two Kings on two thrones from the same family, and supposedly working together, is a Very Bad Thing.

I will fix this thanks. :)
 
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