GLORIA EFFUGIAM: Stuartae Americarum -a collaborative TL

Prologue

December 11, 1688

late night, near a dock


James was rushing to the ship. He had decided he better keep the Great Seal with him, just in case a French army ever helped him get back in power. As well, if he left it, he could be followed. Finally, he reached the ship, and fled. His wife and the Prince of Wales were on the deck waiting for him- they should have hidden! Oh well. James told the loyal crew to get him to France- the Dutch military did not yet control this part of the Channel.

London

"My King, we have not found James II."
"Then where the devil is he?" Stormed William.
"We think he may have either been killed or escaped to France." Spoke the officer.
"We cannot worry about him. The Scots and Irish will cry out in vengeance. We MUST pacify them. England will be mine, for the greater good of the Protestant faith!!!!" William roared.

Finis

Next chapter will be by @Joshuapooleanox !
 
GLORIA EFFUGIAM: Stuartae Americarum: Part 2

Un royaume de la Nouvelle-Angleterre

As the isles fell upon the 'Glorious Revolution', James and the remaining catholic ministers joined him in the flight to France. While much of his former glorious luster and prestige was taken from him by the vile Dutch, he still played with an idea within his mind... A new Kingdom, both populated by Englishmen and larger than his former kingdom...

As James departed the boats to France, in Brittany, he awaits an audience with the 'Sun King', Louis XIV.

Due to being a fellow Catholic, it was expected that the French would assist him in some form, on what form that took was still a manner of debate.

On the turn of the year, Louis XIV arrived to see him in exile, his location still a mystery to the Dutch and English navies.

James shuffled nervously, knowing his plan would be made or broken here. The King was busy in affairs with Flanders, and still surprised to hear about the King's exile, although not entirely shocking.

Louis XIV came into the room. James immediately stood up, greeting the King. 'Hello James, I believe you have some business with me?'

James nodded, 'I have a plan to undermine the English affairs abroad and it involves a small bit of help. Would you be able to assist?'

Louis grinned, 'Of course James, what is it is that you need?'

'Several boats, a few hundred ducats, some mercenaries and a cover name'

Louis looked at him with a puzzled expression. 'That is a strange set of requests James, what do you plan?'

James tried to speak French to appease the King, stating 'Un... Un... royaume de la Nouvelle-Angleterre'

A Kingdom of New England.

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A picture of Louis XIV

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A picture of James II, the exiled King.

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-Josh
 
An interesting [if a little implausible IMHO - but I'll keep that to myself and let you get on with writing] idea.

Louis looked at him with a puzzled expression. 'That is a strange set of requests James, what do you plan?'

James tried to speak French to appease the King, stating 'Un... Un... royaume de la Nouvelle-Angleterre'

Just a minor point - the two men were cousins. James's mother was a Princess of France and he spent years at Louis's court during his exile in the Civil War. James wouldn't have had any trouble speaking French - he was fluent - and likely this whole exchange would have been in effortless French.
 
An interesting [if a little implausible IMHO - but I'll keep that to myself and let you get on with writing] idea.



Just a minor point - the two men were cousins. James's mother was a Princess of France and he spent years at Louis's court during his exile in the Civil War. James wouldn't have had any trouble speaking French - he was fluent - and likely this whole exchange would have been in effortless French.

Damn it reydan, I was trying to suspense like in the books. Thanks for at least additional information. Maybe he stumbled over the idea, or maybe living in England so long he got a tiny bit rusty. Idk. Thanks for the imput!
 
Damn it reydan, I was trying to suspense like in the books. Thanks for atleast additional information. Maybe he stumbled over the idea, or maybe living in England so long he got a tiny bit rusty. Idk. Thanks for the imput!


Sorry! Realised that was probably what you were aiming for, but couldn't get an image of Louis being like 'what the hell is wrong with James?!' as he stumbled over the French.

Good luck with your timeline - I'm interested in how you'll deal with the religious issues.
 
Sorry! Realised that was probably what you were aiming for, but couldn't get an image of Louis being like 'what the hell is wrong with James?!' as he stumbled over the French.

Good luck with your timeline - I'm interested in how you'll deal with the religious issues.

There definitely will be issues, a Catholic King on an expedition to take over New England? A land of puritans?

Oh, and James might be sad or finding it harder to speak due to the fact he just lost his kingdom :closedeyesmile:
 
There definitely will be issues, a Catholic King on an expedition to take over New England? A land of puritans?

Oh, and James might be sad or finding it harder to speak due to the fact he just lost his kingdom :closedeyesmile:

Or he's nervous. He's not exactly asking for something easy from Louis. Plus, there's Louis' OTL remark to him when he attempted to reconquer England starting at La Hogue - "Monsieur, I hope never to see you again, but if we do meet, I trust you will find me unchanged". Not to mention he wasn't exactly overly popular at the French court, since someone (I think Mme de Sévigne?) remarked "when one hears him speak one realizes why he's here." Even the French clergy had a good laugh at James behind his back "there goes a good man. He gave up three kingdoms for a mass."

In contrast, Mary of Modena was the toast of French society. She was popular, well-liked (she even got on with Mme de Maintenon, which is more than the dauphine or Madame could say) and much admired, although the French couldn't understand her love for James. And Louis was especially charmed by her since she resembled Marie Mancini a great deal, and thus reminded him of his youth.
 
Or he's nervous. He's not exactly asking for something easy from Louis. Plus, there's Louis' OTL remark to him when he attempted to reconquer England starting at La Hogue - "Monsieur, I hope never to see you again, but if we do meet, I trust you will find me unchanged". Not to mention he wasn't exactly overly popular at the French court, since someone (I think Mme de Sévigne?) remarked "when one hears him speak one realizes why he's here." Even the French clergy had a good laugh at James behind his back "there goes a good man. He gave up three kingdoms for a mass."

In contrast, Mary of Modena was the toast of French society. She was popular, well-liked (she even got on with Mme de Maintenon, which is more than the dauphine or Madame could say) and much admired, although the French couldn't understand her love for James. And Louis was especially charmed by her since she resembled Marie Mancini a great deal, and thus reminded him of his youth.

Mary gives him some moderate respect, also the French'd be happy to use him against the English in this regard.
 
It's aneat idea, but the colonies were even more rabidly anti-catholic than the mainland and revolted against the Catholic-tolerant government of Maryland and the Anglican-supporting government of New England during the Glorious Revolution. I have a very hard time imagining any successful Stuart rule over British America, even (especially) if backed by the French.
 
@Dr. Hochmeister I beg to differ. Many of the anti-Catholic laws are from later in the 17th century and the early 18th century. Indeed, the southern colonies were anti-Catholic at this time, but not the northern ones, who were generally tolerant. James may not even have to mention his Catholicism- the colonial reaction to the Revolution is going to be different than OTL. French assistance... let's just say it will be covert if at all. ;)
 
@Dr. Hochmeister I beg to differ. Many of the anti-Catholic laws are from later in the 17th century and the early 18th century. Indeed, the southern colonies were anti-Catholic at this time, but not the northern ones, who were generally tolerant. James may not even have to mention his Catholicism- the colonial reaction to the Revolution is going to be different than OTL. French assistance... let's just say it will be covert if at all. ;)

I'm afraid you're entirely wrong here. While I don't have time to cite better sources ATM, the wiki article on anti-catholicism in the US is quite clear that it was present in all states from the beginning. The early colonies were not very religiously tolerant (early Massachusetts was practically a theocracy!), and were quite supportive of the Glorious Revolution.
 
Chapter III

on a boat in the Atlantic

James hoped that his supporters at home would keep fighting. One day, a descendant of his would come from his new kingdom to conquer the old, and restore the Stuart Dynasty. The first problem, however, was gaining the new kingdom. James knew some things about the Colonies- and he knew the southern ones would be too hostile to his Catholicism. However, the northern were generally tolerant. If he could raise an army who would support his claim, he would have a new kingdom. That bastard William would send forces after him eventually- it would be up to James' colonial armies to defeat them. In the meantime, his absence and lack of abdication would hopefully convince many that he was still the rightful king. Louis of France would take care of the European war; how could William defend the Netherlands and England from enemies on all sides, and from within? He had dispatched some friends of his back to England, to go into hiding and wait to rise up. Quietly these rebel cells would build. James himself would have to convince multitudes of people that he had never met before to accept him his their divinely ordained leader and follow him to the ends of the Earth. This would be a most arduous undertaking. Painting himself specifically as the victim may help his cause. There was another boon: William was reputed to be tolerant of only some. In a land of colonies founded upon religious liberty, certainly they would aid their persecuted king in overthrowing the despot? Even if not, James had no choice now but to try.


finis

Sorry it was short! Will be sure I make my Chapter V longer! Just glad to be posting again: was on vacation. Apologies for the wait.
 
Chapter IV

London

January 2, 1689

William thundered and raged against these obstinate nobles. They were simply too stubborn to admit he was King. Worse still, his advisors were now bringing word of revolts in the north, in the name of King James. It seemed there was more to getting the throne than just being Protestant. William only wished he could have caught the King: he could have forced him to abdicate and he could actually control Britain!

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(William of Orange around the time of his usurpation)

The people would just have to get used to William. He needed their support against France. And now that he had received reports of James getting to France, he could only wonder what James might be planning.
"We must fortify the coasts! That damned Catholic is going to march at the head of a French army into London if we do nothing!" Cried William.
This pretension of caring about London was a fraud for the purpose of endearing himself to the country- William only wanted England and Scotland's fleets, monies, and armies. His allies on the continent were not enough. He had come here because of his wife- daughter of King James. It was her claim that could save his country. The Empire, Spain, and the Netherlands cannot fend off both France and the Turks! The French simply smashed every army thrown at them, and were rapidly advancing. The Netherlands was also in greater danger due to his not being there- not every noble wanted war with France. William could be usurped himself and left with no kingdom! This was a delicate matter to consider...

Finis
 
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