Give me back that draft pick!

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Got the idea for this a little while ago, while looking at old NHL draft listings, trying to figure out where it all went wrong for my beloved Hartford Whalers.

It's funny how one player taken one or two picks earlier (by The Whale) could have changed the entire course of the franchise...and with The Whale, it's not just ONE player, it's a depressing string of poor draft choices when you consider the guy who went IMMEDIATELY AFTER the player the team did pick.

So, considering the niche that Sports What Ifs have around here, I figured this would be a nice little exercise for heart-broken sports fans from all across AH.com.

Use these sites for reference...

http://www.hockey-reference.com/

http://www.basketball-reference.com/

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/


Only two rules:

1. You can't "Over-reach": You may pick a player taken no more than five picks after your team's pick.

2. You may only pick a player taken in a later round if that pick conforms to rule one (example: Pick was last pick in round 2, player was taken within the first five picks of round 3.)


Without further ado...

Building the Perfect Beast: The Whalers Drafts, 1982-1985

1982 was actually a solid draft for the Whalers; they took Kevin Dineen, Ulf Samuelsson and Ray Ferraro in this draft, as their 3rd, 4th and 5th picks respectively. All three of those players would play big parts on the playoff teams of the mid to late 80's.

Could have been a better draft on the whole, particularly in rounds 1 and 2 where the could have added two game changing wingers and in round 7 where they could have landed an absolute steal.

So, in 1982: Give me back The Whale's 1st, 2nd and 7th round picks:

1st Round, 14th Overall:

The Whalers took LW Paul Lawless. They had need for forwards, they had need for everything, but Lawless wasn't the answer, especially if they wanted an impact player on the left side.

For that, I'm taking LW Dave Andreychuk, taken by the Buffalo Sabres at #16.


2nd Round, 35th Overall:

The Whalers took D Mark Paterson. They didn't need him and should have concentrated on another solid forward, this one on the right side.

For that, I'll take RW Tomas Sandstrom, taken by the Rangers with the very next pick.


7th Round, 130th Overall:

Now for The Steal: Center Doug Gilmour, taken by the Blues four picks later at 134.

Dougie's the kind of steal every GM in every sport dreams of snatching up in the late rounds: Early round talent at a late round price. Keep him or trade him, he's got more value than the Whalers ever got out of Jim Johannson, a high school player from Rochester Minnesota that never made it to the NHL.


1983 Draft: "We're NOT as stupid as The North Stars!"

In 1983, the Whalers had TWO picks in the 1st round (#2 and #20) and, while they didn't blow their pick anywhere NEAR as bad as Minnesota did, they still blew it. Big time.

But, with Andreychuk in hand from the '82 Draft, I don't NEED an impact left winger, like the Whalers envisioned Sylvain Turgeon to be when they took him at #2.

I'll level with you, the hockey fans amongst you will be kinda surprised by who I'd take at #2, but I have a reason for it.


Round 1, 2nd Overall:

Pat LaFontaine, C, Verdun Juniors, QMJHL.

Yeah, the rest of you would have taken Stevie Yzerman and, given a crystal ball, so would I...but I'm going based on pure junior stats and Pat DEMOLISHED the QMJHL as a 17 year old in '82-'83: 104 goals. Let me repeat that: 104 GOALS. 130 assists. Again, he not only scored 104 goals- in 70 games- he also set up 130 more. 234 points. In the QMJHL.

Just for comparison, a year later, the Pittsburgh Penguins would take another QMJHL center, this one from the Laval Voisins, who put up 133 goals and 149 assists (282 points) named Mario Lemieux with the #1 pick.

I'm not saying LaFontaine's Lemieux, but Pat was capable of BIG numbers and posted 'em. I only use the comparison in this respect: If the guy who demolished the QMJHL in '83-'84 was good enough to go 1st in 1984, the guy who ran up 234 points (104 of them goals) in '82-'83 should have been regarded highly enough to go #1 or #2 in 1983. The North Stars decided they wanted Brian Lawton (for whatever public relations reason they cooked up to convince themselves it was a good idea) and left LaFontaine on the table.

I'm picking, I'm taking LaFontaine over Sly or Stevie Y.


1st Round, 20th Overall:

I'm going to try and trade this one. If anyone can think of a good destination and what might have been offered, let me know.


2nd Round, 23rd Overall:

I'm taking RW Claude Lemieux (taken by the Habs at 26th).

Ulfie and Claude on the same team.

Yeah...it'll be a filthy team.

But so were those legendary Broadstreet Bullies teams, and they won Cups. Cups keep teams from relocating. That's the mission here.


4th Round, 65 Overall:

Mikko Makela, RW. Claude's a bruiser, Mikko's a scorer. What put an end to his days as an effective player, I'm not sure, but it could be butterflied away in Hartford. The Isles took him with the very next pick...


4th Round, 74th Overall:

Taking goalie Daren Puppa. Puppa had the skills and would have been just about ready to become the starter when Mike Liut began to decline. Also, he wasn't the headcase Sean Burke was AND it wouldn't cost us Bobby Holik to get him. (Buffalo took Puppa at 76)


6th Round, 107th Overall:

Right on the cusp of over-reach, I'm taking big left winger Kevin Stevens (sorry Mario) with the 107th pick, before the the Kings can grab this late round gem at 112.

Maybe I can trade this pick with Philly and take Tocchet at 125th, as I'd like to take a big physical right wing, rather than over-stacking the left side.

Hell, maybe I can take Stevens and trade him FOR Tocchet.

As it stands, I want Tocchet but can't reach that far, so the only way to get him would be through a trade.


Okay, this ran longer than I thought, so I'll cut it off here and post up 1984 and 1985 later.

Remember, any sport you want and don't worry about making similar moves as someone else in the thread; it's not a game, it's a thought exercise/fantasy draft/"How I'd have done it if I were in charge..." sort of thing, and just because someone else would have picked a player you would have picked for your team, doesn't mean you couldn't have done the same thing.
 
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Dave Parro ?

My favorite strange draft choice was made by Boston Bruins in 1977 in the second round. They chose golie Dave Parro. They already had three qualified golies. Why they thought they needed another I don't know. Two choices later Montreal chose Rod Langway. He played 994 NHL games and played a style of game that would have fit in with Boston.
 
First and foremost, this is a really cool idea; And I wish I had come up with it first.

Basketball:
1981, 1984 NBA Draft:
The Pacers do not trade their first round pick to Portland for Tom Owens in 1981.
Therefore, the Pacers have the 2nd overall pick in the '84 Draft, and draft shooting guard Michael Jordan out of North Carolina. The Pacers then package their other 1st-round and 2nd round pick in a deal to Utah for 16th overall, picking up Gonzaga point guard John Stockton. The foundations of a dynasty are set. (Stockton was taken 16th overall in OTL, and the Pacers picked Vern Fleming 18th).

1985: Pacers with the 2nd choice pick Xavier McDaniel small forward out of Wichita State, a tough defender.

1986: Pacers have the 2nd pick in the 2nd round, 26th overall. Instead of Greg Dreiling out of Kansas, they pick Dennis Rodman, forward from Southeastern Oklahoma State.

Now, I've screwed up history to an immense degree. Obviously, Jordan doesn't go to Chicago, thereby butterflying a Bulls dynasty. Stockton doesn't go to Utah to run the pick-and-roll with Malone, but he would have been equally good with Jordan. McDaniel gives the Pacers a defensive power, and Rodman would have been a rebounding freak. The Pacers would have been a defensive team with a pretty good offense, a lot like the Jordan-Jackson Bulls.
 
In 1996, the Philadelphia 76ers selected Allen Iverson with the #1 pick in the draft.

It's a pity they haven't gotten it anywhere near as right since then. What happens with hindsight?

1997: The Sixers held the 2nd pick in the draft, right after the Spurs selected Tim Duncan. They traded the pick, Keith Van Horn, along with some less than useful players, for the 7th and 21st picks in the draft and equal crap. With 7 and 21, they selected Tim Thomas and Anthony Parker. Had they paid attention to Gray's Sports Almanac 1997-2025, they would have selected OTL's 9th pick, Tracy McGrady, and the 24th pick, Bobby Jackson.

Now, we have PG Allen Iverson, SG Tracy McGrady, and backup PG Bobby Jackson. Let's see what 1998 brings.

1998: OTL, the Sixers selected Larry Hughes with the 8th pick, at the behest of coach Larry Brown. GM Billy King and Director of Scouting Tony DiLeo had other suggestions, though: Paul Pierce and Dirk Nowitzki. With McGrady ensconced at SG, the Sixers take Nowitzki here, and fill the PF slot for the next decade. Philadelphia also would feel no need to trade a future 1st (#19, 1999) for Nazr Mohammed.

1999: Philadelphia now has #19 (presuming, of course, they retain the same draft slot) and have the urge to fill up their front court. Passing on the big Russian, Andrei Kirilenko, who would fit nicely at SF/PF, they go for C Jeff Foster, OTL's #20. Instead of acquiring Jumaine Jones, Philly retains their pick in 2000.

2000: What became Quentin Richardson in 2000 would stay exactly that. However, he'd be the SF in a Philly starting 5 of Foster/Nowitzki/Richardson/McGrady/Iverson. By 2001, when the franchise made the NBA Finals already, they'd be more formidable than ever, with three high-flying stars and a serviceable bench.
 
I'm a Chargers fan so if I could take back anyone I'd do my utmost to convince the Colts to draft Ryan Leaf so we could have gotten Peyton Manning. :D
 
My favorite strange draft choice was made by Boston Bruins in 1977 in the second round. They chose golie Dave Parro. They already had three qualified golies. Why they thought they needed another I don't know. Two choices later Montreal chose Rod Langway. He played 994 NHL games and played a style of game that would have fit in with Boston.

Langway was the King of Defensive D's for just about his entire career. Paired with Ray Bourque on the B's blue line...*shudders*

One word for that: Nasty.:eek:

I'm a Chargers fan so if I could take back anyone I'd do my utmost to convince the Colts to draft Ryan Leaf so we could have gotten Peyton Manning. :D

Not quite the theme here. It's not about who you wish could have slid down the draft to your team, it's who you're team would have been better off taking.

You present a beauty though. Try this one on:

The Chargers don't trade the #3 and #33 picks in the 1998 draft and their first round pick in '99 (#8 overall), along with Eric Metcalf and Patrick Sapp to Arizona for the #2 pick and instead use those picks to take:

DB Charles Woodson at #3 (taken by the Raiders at #4)

T Flozell Adams at #33 (taken by Dallas at #38)


Still use their '99 2nd rounder to take DT Jamal Williams in the '98 Supplemental Draft.

Then, instead of trading away their 2000 1st rounder (#13 overall) for a 1999 2nd rounder from Tampa...

1999:

Take QB Daunte Culpepper at #8 (Vikes took him at #11)

2000:

Take DE John Abraham at #13 (right where the Jets took him after trading for the pick)

Take T Chad Clifton at #43 (Green Bay took him at #44)

Then draft LT in the 1st round in 2001...

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Saving The Whale, Part 2: The 1984 and 1985 Drafts...


The Whalers, due to a nonsensical trade with The Habs back in '81, picked 11th, rather than 5th in 1984.

Not a problem.


1st Round, 11th Overall:

Instead of taking D Sylvain Cote with the 11th pick, I'm taking the guy taken at #12: LW Gary Roberts!

Yeah, I'm stacking forwards, but I'm creating flexibility for trades. The forwards I take can EASILY be traded for quality D later...if I can't draft it myself.


2nd Round:

The stupid trade with The Habs took my 2nd rounder (#26) and I can't do anything about that. Maybe if I'd been in charge in '81, but I chose '82 to take over for a reason.


3rd Round:

Flyers got my 3rd round pick (#47) as compensation for Fred Arthur retiring on them...starting to think that, even at the age of 4, I could have GM'd the Whalers better than the dopes running the show in 1981.

If I had that pick, I could have snagged Patrick Roy. (taken by the Habs at #51)

Son of a...:mad:


4th Round:

Now, I'd have this pick as I wouldn't have made the Norm Dupont trade in July of '83, so I'd still have the #68 pick.

Not much there. Maybe I'd deal it. Dunno what I'd get for it though.

7th Round, 131st Pick:

C Cliff Ronning, taken by the Blues at 134. (I keep robbing the Blue Notes in the late rounds...maybe I can deal Gilmour or Ronning to them for some D...:cool:)

Okay, I'm going to modify the rules a bit here: You can reach as far as you want in ANY round from 7th on in a given draft because, at that point, guys rarely make it, if ever.

9th Round, 173rd Pick:

D Gary Suter, taken at 180 by the Flames.

I can justify it too: In 12 rounds, I only had 8 picks to work with and I was denied my 2nd and 3rd rounders to boot.

I needed a defenseman, Suter's a low risk pick in this spot. (How he ended up going in the 9th round is beyond me. THAT kind of talent!?)


1985...

1st Round, 5th Pick:

D, Dana Murzyn. Same guy the Whalers actually took at this spot. I need D and Murzyn was a solid pick at 5 considering what was available. (There's no reach long enough in the '85 draft to make the first round good. Take it for what it is.)

2nd Round, 26th Pick:

Kay Whitmore? No. Way.

I'll gladly rob the Flames of a third piece of their Stanley Cup teams by taking Joe Nieuwendyk at 26, one pick ahead of where the Flames did at 27.

I've got time with Joe, he won't be around immediately, but it's okay, because I'm already stacked at center and on the left wing. When he's ready to come up, I can ship someone out.


3rd Round, 47th Pick:

Last pick the Habs get from that damned Pierre Larouche trade. Finally, my team stops paying for that mistake.

Maybe I can trade one(some) of those picks from earlier drafts or a prospect to the Flyers or Rangers and snag D Steve Chiasson at 48 or 49...


4th Round, 68th Pick:

Probably part of the package to get the pick to take Chiasson.


5th Round, 89th Pick:

Wouldn't have made the deal that sent this pick to the Isles. May have packaged it away for the right deal elsewhere though...


6th Round, 110th Pick:

I'll take RW, Randy McKay over that dope Shane Churla.

I've got Ulfie, Claude, Tocchet (via trade), Dineen...I've got tough guys. McKay's an enforcer, but smarter than Churla, a guy who's career was ended after he ruined his eye by fighting Stu Grimson (who was with the Whalers at the time) not long after coming back from an injury to said eye.

I'm building a brute squad, not a pack of mindless goons!:p


7th Round, 131st Pick:

LW, Stu Grimson.

At least I don't have to explain this one...:D


9th Round, 173 Pick:

I'll take D Gord Murphy. Remember, there's no over-reach from the 7th round on.

Not much else to take, so there's my 1982-1985 drafts:

1982:

LW Dave Andreychuk
RW Tomas Sandstrom
RW Kevin Dineen
D Ulf Samuelsson
C Ray Ferraro
C Doug Gilmour


1983:

C Pat LaFontaine
RW Claude Lemieux
RW Mikko Makela
G Daren Puppa
LW Kevin Stevens


1984:

LW Gary Roberts
C Cliff Ronning
D Gary Suter


1985:

D Dana Murzyn
C/LW Joe Nieuwendyk
D Steve Chiasson
RW Randy McKay
LW Stu Grimson
D Gord Murphy


Add to that a couple of very real trades that DID happen IOTL:

C Mark Johnson and G Greg Millen to St. Louis for G Mike Liut and LW Jorgen Pettersson, only sooner. Prior to the start of the 1983-84 season if I can. Gilmour's going right into the #2 line.

RW Ray Neufeld to Winnepeg for D Dave Babych, preferably before the 1985-86 season begins.

D Chris Kotsopoulos to Toronto for LW Stew Gavin, same time as OTL.

Gilmour will make good trade bait by then, wonder what I could have gotten for him...Ah-HA!

The Canucks want a center for Cam Neely after the '85-'86 season (they traded for one IOTL)...Cha-CHING!

Gilmour for Neely, and the Canucks 1st Round pick in the 1986 draft (#7 overall) on draft day...and then I'll take Brian Leetch at #7 and still get Scotty Young at #11!

Not a bad one day haul: Neely, Leetch, and Scott Young...not a bad day at all.

Wonder what I'll get for Ronning...

At any rate, I figure, by 1987-88, this team's well on it's way to a dynasty.:cool:
 
The one that immediately comes to mind is the Miami Dolphins drafting Ted Ginn Jr. at number 10 in 2007. I would like to replace him with Brady Quinn, but he slipped to 22. So instead I replace him with Patrick Willis who went 2picks later to San Francisco.
 
This is a good idea!

I'll do the late 80's, early 90's Seattle NFL team, to give little Doug the best team he can have when he first pays serious attention to the Seattle Seahawks in the 1996 season. :p

1989:
OTL: Drafted non-descript Notre Dame OG Andy Heck 15th overall. Played for four seasons with the team before leaving
ATL: Drafts OTL 20th overall Arkansas SS Steve Atwater 15th overall. He plays for the Seahawks for nine years and appears in eight Pro Bowls.

1990:
OTL: Drafted Miami DT Cortez Kennedy 3rd overall. Not going to change that. :p Nor do I want to change the 4th round selection of Ferrum, VA RB Chris Warren. :)

1991:
OTL: Drafted SDSU QB Dan McGwire 16th overall. :mad: 3rd round pick Penn State WR David Daniels never did anything, either. Kasay's a good pick in the 4th round, as is Michael Sinclair in the 6th. :)

ATL: Not much in the next five to replace McGwire, but at least Cincinnati LB Alfred Williams got into a Pro Bowl in the late 90's. Daniels gets replaced by Clemson punter Chris Gardocki, for a one-two special teams punch. :p

1992:
OTL: Drafted Virginia OT Ray Roberts 10th overall. Stayed with the team for three years, not particularly good. Michael Bates was good in the 6th round.

ATL: Move down one to pick up solid Miami OT Leon Searcy. AT least he'll go to a Pro Bowl in the late 90's. Pick up Clemson LB Ed McDaniel in the 5th round for a solid late 90's defense.

1992 Season:
OTL: A Seahawks cornerback intercepts a New England quarterback's pass in the end zone, preserving a 10-6 lead. The Seahawks finish 2-14, the Patriots 1-15.

ATL: He drops it and the Patriots score the game-winning touchdown on the next play to win 13-10. Seattle finishes 1-15, New England finished 2-14.

1993:
OTL: Seattle drafts disappointing Notre Dame QB Rick Mirer with the second overall pick in the draft.

ATL: Seattle drafts local hero Washington State QB Drew Bledsoe with the first overall pick in the draft. They also grab FB Lorenzo Neal in the 4th round.

1994:
OTL: A good draft already, with DT Sam Adams getting picked up, in addition to some other solid players.

ATL: Undrafted free agents Missouri Southern WR Rod Smith and SJSU QB Jeff Garcia get picked up, too. :D

1995:
OTL: Another decent draft, with Joey Galloway and Christian Fauria added.

ATL: Our undrafted magic picks up Hofstra WR Wayne Chrebet. :)

1996:
OTL: Drafted Boston College OT Pete Kendall 21st overall. He played four "meh" years at the position.

ATL: Moving down a few spots, one-time Pro Bowler OT Jermane Mayberry at least provides a long-term solution for the Seahawks at the position. Stephen Davis gets picked up in the 4th round. Relatively famous SDSU K Adam Vinatieri gets picked up as an undrafted free agent, as Kasay has already left. :(

1997:
OTL: Good draft, with Shawn Springs take 3rd overall.

ATL: Gets better by signing undrafted Texas RB Priest Holmes. :)

In short, when I start watching the NFL seriously in 1997, instead of watching Warren Moon throwing passes to Joey Galloway and Brian Blades, I'm watching Drew Bledsoe heaving TD's to a wide receiver core of Joey Galloway, Rod Smith, and Wayne Chrebet, with Jeff Garcia in the wings as Bledsoe's backup if he gets injured/leaves the team. I get to watch Ed McDaniel and Steve Atwater add their skills to those of Shawn Springs, Sam Adams, and Cortez Kennedy for an actually fearsome defense. Lucky us, we get to play the Broncos twice a year :)o), but the journey should be fun.
 
Only two rules:

1. You can't "Over-reach": You may pick a player taken no more than five picks after your team's pick.

2. You may only pick a player taken in a later round if that pick conforms to rule one (example: Pick was last pick in round 2, player was taken within the first five picks of round 3.)

Man, those two rules make it tough. I actually was doing a version of this on my own with the Pittsburgh Pirates a couple days ago, but without the over-reach rule. The 1990s Pirates were notorious for drafts in which none of the players they took succeeded. Without an over-reach rule, I'm usually able to turn the team from the basement into a pennant contender with only one year's draft. But let me try it your way... (Since writing "never made the majors" gets tiresome after a while, I'll just ignore the OTL Pirates pick, since none of the ones I'm replacing did anything in the majors.)

1993 Draft
Instead of promoting Cam Bonifay, the Pirates made the controversial choice of handing the reins to a teenager named Tom Veil. It paid off, however.

  • Round 1, #22: RHP Jeff C. D'Amico, who quickly establishes himself in the middle of the rotation. Who knows, maybe he avoids his OTL injuries and becomes an ace.
  • Round 1, Compensation Pick for the loss of Barry Bonds: Who would have thought the Pirates would end up with a player who proved to be Bonds's equal? Yet they did with future Hall of Famer 3B Scott Rolen.
  • Round 2, #12: RHP Jay Witasick was a competent middle reliever, which is more than most Pirates draftees in the 1990s can say.
  • Round 2, #22: SS/RHP Jeff M. D'Amico, because it's funny.
  • Round 6, #22: 1B/IF Scott Spiezio, always solid a the back of the lineup
  • Round 7, #22: 2B Mark Loretta, a slick fielder and .295 career hitter
  • Round 11, #22: RHP Kevin Millwood. Wow.
  • Round 17, #22: OF Jermain Dye, the closest thing to a power hitter that the Pirates will draft all decade.
  • Round 45, #22: RHP Bob Howry, the classic 8th inning man (OTL, Howry passed and signed in 1994, but a nice bonus should secure him.)
1994 Draft
  • Round 1, #11: SS Nomar. Nomar. NOMAR.
  • Round 6, #11: RHP Joe Mays, who can hold down the back of the rotation.
  • Round 12, #11: LHP Jose Rosado, who was an ace-in-the-making his first 3 years in the AL, until he blew his rotator cuff
  • Round 13, #11: RHP Carl Pavano, who will somehow end up on the Yankees.
  • Round 20, #11: RHP Brett Tomko (OTL signed 1995)
  • Round 25, #11: LHP Randy Wolf (OTL signed 1997)
  • Round 38, #11: C/OF Eric "Crash Test Dummy" Byrnes (OTL signed 1998)
  • Round 61, #11: IF Morgan Ensberg (OTL signed 1998)
At that point, the butterflies start flapping. EDIT: Here's my projected lineup for the 1998 Pirates, with no changes other than the draftees above. Dude. These guys are winning the pennant.
Batting
1. C Jason Kendall
2. 2B Mark Loretta
3. SS Nomar Garciaparra
4. 3B Scott Rolen
5. LF Jermaine Dye
6. RF Jose Guillen
7. 1B Scott Spiezio
8. CF Turner Ward
Dugout: IF Aramis Ramirez, C/OF Eric Byrnes, OF Adrian Brown, IF Morgan Ensberg
Pitching
1. Kevin Millwood
2. Jose Rosado
3. Jason Scmidt
4. Carl Pavano
5. Francisco Cordova
Bullpen: Jay Witasick, Jeff C. D'Amico, Joe Mays, Brett Tomko, Randy Wolf, Jon Lieber, Mike Williams, Bob Howry
 
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Nice work, folks!:cool:

One more site for additional reference (MARVEL at some of the stupid draft pick deals your favorite teams have made!:rolleyes:)

http://www.prosportstransactions.com/

VERY useful to see where you're picking (or why you're not) in a given spot, year by year.

It's how I learned of that infernal Pierre Larouche trade...:mad:

Amongst others...:(
 
Pacers Draft, Continued(And some ATL):

1987:
OTL, the Pacers picked UCLA SG Reggie Miller with the 11th overall pick, without a doubt the greatest player in Pacers history. In ATL, the Pacers took local hero Indiana shooting guard Steve Alford in the draft. Though Pacers management knew that MJ was firmly ensconced in the shooting guard spot, they thought Alford would up ticket sales and provide relief off the bench, and, if worst came to worst, could be trade-bait later on. Miller would be selected by the Chicago Bulls.

1988: Pacers draft center Rik Smits, out of Marist College. The rookie would play after an injury felled Steve Stipanovich. Pacers lose to Detroit Pistons in 7 games, as the Los Angeles Lakers beat the Pistons in 5 games.

1989: Pacers select George McCloud, a point forward out of Florida State. With MJ and Stockton leading the charge, the Pacers defeat the Pistons in a brutal 7 game series. Pacers play Lakers, win in an excruciatingly close 7 game series. MJ named Finals MVP.
 
Warning
1. You can't "Over-reach": You may pick a player taken no more than five picks after your team's pick.

2. You may only pick a player taken in a later round if that pick conforms to rule one (example: Pick was last pick in round 2, player was taken within the first five picks of round 3.)

Okay Sigma, I got it. I just discovered this thread by accident.

Denver Broncos (Recent picks)

2012 Round 2: Cordy Glenn over Derek Wolfe, Lavonte David over Brock Osweiler
2012 Round 3: Derek Wolfe (Denver drafted him in Round 2 in OTL) over Ronnie Hillman
2012 Round 4: Kirk Cousins over Omar Bolden
2013 Round 1: Travis Frederick over Sylvester Williams
2013 Round 2: Robert Alford over Montee Ball
2013 Round 3: Brandon Williams over Kayvon Webster
2013 Round 6: C.J. Anderson (undrafted in OTL) over Vinston Painter
2015 Round 2: Ali Marpet over Ty Sambrailo
 

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Okay Sigma, I got it. I just discovered this thread by accident.

Denver Broncos (Recent picks)

2012 Round 2: Cordy Glenn over Derek Wolfe, Lavonte David over Brock Osweiler
2012 Round 3: Derek Wolfe (Denver drafted him in Round 2 in OTL) over Ronnie Hillman
2012 Round 4: Kirk Cousins over Omar Bolden
2013 Round 1: Travis Frederick over Sylvester Williams
2013 Round 2: Robert Alford over Montee Ball
2013 Round 3: Brandon Williams over Kayvon Webster
2013 Round 6: C.J. Anderson (undrafted in OTL) over Vinston Painter
2015 Round 2: Ali Marpet over Ty Sambrailo
You clicked through a warning telling you that this thread was dead for SEVEN YEARS to post this.

NEVER do this again.
 
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