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I don't know if Callista would come out, honestly. By this time (1999-2000) that's a seven year relationship that is obviously mutual on both sides.(1) I don't think you can really compare Monica to Callista, but I could be wrong.(2) Callista may indeed follow Newt to the WH, or Newt could divorce his wife early (Newt's smart enough to know that divorcing her before an affair became public would be in his best interest; OTOH, that's one hell of a high profile divorce.(3))

Plus, I don't think Newt would try to lie about it,(4) especially after watching Clinton get impeached for perjury. Would it affect the 2000 Presidential election? Of course, but remember that Ted Kennedy (who's likely to be the Dem nominee) has personal issues of his own and can hardly take a stand on righteousness against Gingrich.(5)

No, I see Newt winning the 2000 election, unless I'm underestimating the impact of the affair becoming public.(6)

1) First Lady Callista? That's a helluva incentive to tell Newt that its time to make a decision...:mad:

2) You're not. So far. Newt hasn't been caught (yet), and hasn't testified under oath.

3) First in the WH divorce?:eek: That's for sure. And the history of politics tells us that politicians are FAR TOO EGOTISTICAL to make such calculations. They always believe they can get away with it. Telling lies is natural to all politicians. That's why they can go out there every day and say: "More services, less taxes!" Despite that anybody who has passed 3rd grade arithmetic knows better.:rolleyes: No more than any other politician, Newt CANNOT make a decision like this. its ASB.

4) Under oath.:rolleyes:

5) Gingrich would more likely have troubles with his own base. As I see it, Newt would already have to BE the nominee for Callista's revelation not to destroy his candidacy. THAT, and that Teddy Kennedy is just about the only Democrat in the country he COULD beat in these circumstances. Which is why I rolled my own eyes when I saw his name first introduced into the thread. Oh yeah, Teddy Kennedy. Every Republican's favorite Democratic Presidential candidate.:p:rolleyes:

6) You're not. But against Kennedy you are looking at a 2000 Election that will be basically a Republican game of tee-ball.:D Using Republican major league all-stars:eek: against Democratic 4-5 year old pee wee players.:eek: Has anyone noticed that 2000 is only one year after the 30th anniversary of Chappaquidik?(7)

7) BTW? On that note? Teddy wasn't in the car. He drunkenly staggered across the bridge well after Mary Jo had drowned, unaware of her crash. He WALKED away from the island to establish an alibi, thinking he had been seen and recognized by a local deputy with the girl. After sleeping in a local motel that night, he came out to the sight of all those emergency vehicles. The first person to see him was one of his own aides. Time to cook up a story! Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.:(

This is why his story was so ridiculously convoluted. He was telling a "story" for the voters of Massachusetts, not America. His WH prospects were dead. This was 1969, not today. Back in 1969, you could get drunk, get into a car, plow into a busload of nuns and orphans:eek:, driving them off a bridge to their deaths, and the worst they'll do to you is permanently strip you of your driving license! BUT YOU BETTER NOT HAVE A WOMAN WHO IS NOT YOUR WIFE WITH YOU WHEN YOU DO IT!!!:mad::mad::mad: At least if you're a politician...:rolleyes:

Notice the reporters never asked Teddy how he could have been in that car, gone off the bridge into the water, yet was so perfectly kempt AND DRY, wearing the same clothes he'd had on the night before?
 
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Not really. Only if you think that Kennedy is going to be the nominee.

Real Spoiler warning: More Presidential candidates will declare in the coming months.

Is there anyone more beatable than Teddy Kennedy?:confused:
EDIT: Ah, can read it now. Thank you for not humiliating us with a thread that says the American people would nominate, much less elect, such a man post-1969.
 
1) First Lady Callista? That's a helluva incentive to tell Newt that its time to make a decision...:mad:

Right, but even the most ambitious of power hungry mistresses would realize that Newt *can't* make that decision now that he's President. And, you know, she could genuinely love him and want what's best for him. Not saying that she's as pure as the driven snow, but I would think that, in seven years, she would have told him to make a decision if she was going to.

2) You're not. So far. Newt hasn't been caught (yet), and hasn't testified under oath.

I was referring to personality, not circumstance. Longer relationship, probably smarter, and a bit older (more experienced). I don't think she could play the "poor young intern caught up with the power of an older man" card. And, if she thinks she's going to be demonized, she's less likely to come forward.

3) First in the WH divorce?:eek: That's for sure. And the history of politics tells us that politicians are FAR TOO EGOTISTICAL to make such calculations. They always believe they can get away with it. Telling lies is natural to all politicians. That's why they can go out there every day and say: "More services, less taxes!" Despite that anybody who has passed 3rd grade arithmetic knows better.:rolleyes: No more than any other politician, Newt CANNOT make a decision like this. its ASB.

I'd agree, I was only saying Newt would realize that it would be best, not that he could actually do it.

4) Under oath.:rolleyes:

I don't think he'd even lie about it without being under oath. Newt would be able to see that he'd eventually be placed under oath, and he's egotistical enough to believe that he could come out of it unscathed.

I can actually see Newt saying something to the effect of "Yeah, I've been having an affair for the better part of a decade. But, I've got a war going on right now, so why don't you stop bothering me about unimportant shit?"

5) Gingrich would more likely have troubles with his own base. As I see it, Newt would already have to BE the nominee for Callista's revelation not to destroy his candidacy. THAT, and that Teddy Kennedy is just about the only Democrat in the country he COULD beat in these circumstances. Which is why I rolled my own eyes when I saw his name first introduced into the thread. Oh yeah, Teddy Kennedy. Every Republican's favorite Democratic Presidential candidate.:p:rolleyes:

This made me laugh. Honestly. :D

I think that with an early War on Terror, Newt could ride the wave of public opinion to a victory against the majority of opponents.

6) You're not. But against Kennedy you are looking at a 2000 Election that will be basically a Republican game of tee-ball.:D Using Republican major league all-stars:eek: against Democratic 4-5 year old pee wee players.:eek: Has anyone noticed that 2000 is only one year after the 30th anniversary of Chappaquidik?

I agree, but as kevvy has said, more candidates will be coming in. I still think Newt has a better than average chance at beating the average Democratic nominee. I'm curious as to who will be throwing their hat into the ring...
 
I am now regretting throwing in Ted Kennedy. After looking at my notes again, I realize that it wasn't the most plausible thing in the world to do.

EMK said when he announced he wasn't going to run in 1984. I realize I may never be president. The guy watching it with me in dorm TV lounge was very disappointed. I wasn't.
 
EMK said when he announced he wasn't going to run in 1984. I realize I may never be president. The guy watching it with me in dorm TV lounge was very disappointed. I wasn't.

The late night comics would be out in droves against Kennedy. Imus in the Morning in NYC had a "Ted Kennedy" character as a regular. Every time he made a speech, it would end in a word that Imus would pick out as a different word, asking (as if he misunderstood Kennedy): "Did you say 'water'?":D Kennedy: "Oh you bastard...":mad: *sounds of screeching brakes, followed by a big "SPLASH!", followed by the sounds of someone screaming (underwater): "Help! I'm drowning! I'm drown..." finished with "Jaws theme"...*:eek: Imus was One.Sick.Bastard.
 
I really have to say this, again: What's to save Newt from his own acute case of virulent "Foot-in-mouth" disease? Other than handwavium?:confused:
 
The late night comics would be out in droves against Kennedy. Imus in the Morning in NYC had a "Ted Kennedy" character as a regular. Every time he made a speech, it would end in a word that Imus would pick out as a different word, asking (as if he misunderstood Kennedy): "Did you say 'water'?":D Kennedy: "Oh you bastard...":mad: *sounds of screeching brakes, followed by a big "SPLASH!", followed by the sounds of someone screaming (underwater): "Help! I'm drowning! I'm drown..." finished with "Jaws theme"...*:eek: Imus was One.Sick.Bastard.

One of the many reasons why I have regretted throwing Kennedy in. Thinking about retconning and taking the Kennedy/Romney storyline out.
 
One of the many reasons why I have regretted throwing Kennedy in. Thinking about retconning and taking the Kennedy/Romney storyline out.

Perfectly understandable. Having Ted Kennedy as either the nominee (its ASB to suggest he could win) or even just as a strong candidate for the nomination in 2000. I doubt that he could even win the Massachusetts primary, with exit polls saying MA voters wanted Kennedy staying right where he was, in the Senate. Not launching another Don Quixote charge against the White House windmill.

As to alternate 2000 Dem primary POTUS candidates? Hmm... get back to you.:)

EDIT: I'd have to say Wellstone has the grass-roots and John Kerry the $$$. So its up to you who wins that battle.
 
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Perfectly understandable. Having Ted Kennedy as either the nominee (its ASB to suggest he could win) or even just as a strong candidate for the nomination in 2000. I doubt that he could even win the Massachusetts primary, with exit polls saying MA voters wanted Kennedy staying right where he was, in the Senate. Not launching another Don Quixote charge against the White House windmill.

As to alternate 2000 Dem primary POTUS candidates? Hmm... get back to you.:)

EDIT: I'd have to say Wellstone has the grass-roots and John Kerry the $$$. So its up to you who wins that battle.

Would everyone be alright if I just removed Kennedy from the story? It would knock down quite a bit.
 
Please do so This satisfies the ten character requirement.

YES. Kennedy makes it look like a GOPwank.

Alright then. We'll just take out those bits. Kerry is back in then, and the Romney storyline is done.


You can give him a heart attack or something. The guy's in his late 60s, so probably not so ASB. He drops out of the race and Wellstone/Kerry takes over. :)

Marc A

That's a little cruel. I'm just going to pull Kennedy out.
 
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