Gildas and a different Britain

Based on the writings of the early 6th century historian Gildas, apparently there was some sort of functional post-Roman government in Britain with a council based on representatives of the different major cities/polities in the old Roman territories. Their downfall came after inviting Saxon settlers onto the island, with the leader of the government at the time (Vortigan?) being ironically among the first to die. Supposing the Saxons are not invited to settle, what sort of government evolves in Britain and how might this impact early Medieval and Dark Age Europe?
 
The Angles and Saxons still come and the disunited Romano-Britons fall back roughly as OTL.
The "invitation" thing is a massive oversimplification of likely multiple mercenary hirings intersecting with West Germanic migrations.
 

Zen9

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Thing is Vortigern is faced with terrible problems and terrible options to solve any one of them.

For start Britain is denuded of Roman professional Army since the coinage was first debased and then stopped coming over the channel along with a letter saying (I paraphrase) "your on your own now".
Declared Emperor after Emperor in Britain marched what armies they could find to fight for the purple in Gaul and beyond. All in imitation of Constantine, whose backers must've been made very wealthy for their support.

What's left are old men ex-army and thugs for the rich in the south and tribes permitted to be armed in the north.
This is why Vortigern gets the Votadini to move to north Wales to repell Irish raiders.
And this is why he uses established germanic community connections (mercenaries and such) to hire Anglo-Saxon (Jutes and Frisian (who are Anglo-Saxons) and Franks and others) to face off the Pictish threat from the north east coast and if he can use pagan barbarians to enforce civilised Roman rule over wayward rich estate holders and their thugs then why not?
"Sorry Gaius about your hired hands but they did get in way of our Anglo-Saxon enforcers, who get a bit enthusiastic. Now about those taxes you owe...."

In fact I'll go so far as to suggest "blame it on the Anglo-Saxons" was a very convenient excuse for the time....until 'they' (there's a story) started taking over.
 
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So you'd need an earlier PoD where Britain somehow retains or regains some military capability making them less dependent on German mercenaries?

Training up a new force using old vets and a few local warriors as drillmasters?
 

Zen9

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So you'd need an earlier PoD where Britain somehow retains or regains some military capability making them less dependent on German mercenaries?

Training up a new force using old vets and a few local warriors as drillmasters?
No you need the local rich to not back repeated attempts to repeat the success of Constantine.
Which considering the wealth of the landed estates at the time is pretty much impossible.
 
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