Get the USA to annex or conquer all of north and central america

Warsie

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Bonus if you can get Cuba, Jamaica, Hispanola and Puerto Rico too.

At the minimum, OTL USA, Canada and Mexico must be unified by the USA and not Spain :p
 
I can see the USA trying all-Mexico and thus running into Imperial Overstretch I cannot see a conquest of Canada unless the USA has Victory Disease and is intent on well and truly ruining itself for good.
 
We have a few timelines that fulfill this, I will leave linking to others

My idea, Lousiana purchase as per OTL, France does better against the British navy and for a brief amount of time grievously threatens the British isles, USA joins in, in exchange for Hispaniola, and takes Canada and the British Caribbean while Britain is distracted. Fast forward 30 years, OTL style Texas revolt then Mexican war taking more. Add some successful filibustering expeditions, to chop off another chunk, and grab part of central America. Now have a civil war and Mexico try to regain its lost territories and fail, USA takes enough to leave the country nonviable here. Have Alaska purchase and Spain sell its Caribbean possessions. Non viable Mexico enters a civil war and the USA annexes it to restore order, problem solved.
 
Not very hard.

Well Canada revolts during the Revolution as well. Bermuda or (more likely) the Bahamas come as well since they were pro-Rebel but surrounded by the British Navy.

Naturally, there are now more free states, so the South wants to expand even more to even things out. Polk wanted to take OTL Northern Mexico as well, but his diplomat went rogue. A hawkish President annexes all of Mexico, which may or may not have kept Central America ITTL.

If not, then Central America is annexed during the Banana Wars. There are both Nicaraguan and Panamanian Canals (Panama being bought or taken from Colombia), the second one built to give President X a boost in winning another term.

Hispaniola? Santo Domingo was nearly annexed during Grant's term; ITTL it is and Haiti follows after one border clash too many. Jamaica? *Venezuelan Crisis goes hot when the US is roughly equal to Britain, and the US wins. Cuba? So many choices, but a Spanish-American War is the easiest. It could be as early as the 1870s (incident similar to the Maine then) if you want the US to concentrate on the Americas and not the Pacific.

If Canada isn't there at the start though, I don't see it happening. By the time the US can duke it out with Britain over the *Venezuelan Crisis or something, Mexico will still be around, and with nationalist pride satisfied, the US will be horrified to get that many brown people. One of the TLs I have bouncing around in my head has the US covering all of North America save a rump central Mexico with a POD in the 1880s. The affect on US culture and Mexican standard of living (no Sonora Gang to stop the Revolution's fervor) is quite interesting.
 

Warsie

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I can see the USA trying all-Mexico and thus running into Imperial Overstretch I cannot see a conquest of Canada unless the USA has Victory Disease and is intent on well and truly ruining itself for good.

I had the idea that Britain is a lot more chaotic in World War I and Canada rebels in the process, overthrows it's government and petitions to be annexed by the US. I remember someone wrote an ATL with that as a possibility.
 
I had the idea that Britain is a lot more chaotic in World War I and Canada rebels in the process, overthrows it's government and petitions to be annexed by the US. I remember someone wrote an ATL with that as a possibility.
No. Canada would just drop out of the war. It was a democracy. And it wouldn't join the US unless the *Venezuelan Crisis went hot and it was conquered.
 
I can see the USA trying all-Mexico and thus running into Imperial Overstretch I cannot see a conquest of Canada unless the USA has Victory Disease and is intent on well and truly ruining itself for good.
Well there was a lot of talk of Manifest Destiny in the 1800's.
 

Warsie

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No. Canada would just drop out of the war. It was a democracy. And it wouldn't join the US unless the *Venezuelan Crisis went hot and it was conquered.

I remember there were still strong sentiments of rebellion and desire to unify with the US.
 
I remember there were still strong sentiments of rebellion and desire to unify with the US.
In the early 1900s? Nope. Unless the ATL went pretty far back... I think 1837 is the last chance for a voluntary union to occur.
 
I think that Mexico would have to be conquered gradually. A piece at a time. Perhaps in the 1830s Texas is annexed, followed by some surrounding territory. In the 1840s we have California and most of the west coast, perhaps the yucatan. ad perhaps followed by the filibusters in the 1850s which would lead to total annexation of the mexican and meso-american states during the late 1860-1870s.
 
I've always seen the whole "US conquers all of North America" as something with massive potential for a fatal backfire.

I did a speculative TL where the US annexed all of Mexico during the Mexican war and left the right of slavery up to the Mexicans themselves. They also are a little more brutal to California in this TL making it a hot bed of resistance as well. This had the adverse effect of letting the issue of slavery smolder for a number of years and as a result the Civil War erupts in 1862 instead. The war is multi-sided with California splitting off to form its own Republic and a very violently nationalist Mexico rising in open revolt. Unable to act on all fronts the US loses the war badly and The CSA becomes independent as well as Mexico and California.

This leaves a weakened USA, and a CSA backed by France and California and Mexico backed by Britain. This makes California and the CSA the countries mortal enemies while the opinion on Mexico is divided, but leaves the Mexicans hating the US with a fiery passion.
 
Canada

1775-Battle of Quebec goes initially better for the Americans as the cannon that killed Gen. Montgomery in OTL misfires leading to the capture of the lower town but attacks on the upper town are repulsed ending in the surrender of American forces in Quebec

1776-Eddy's Rebellion is more successful and takes Fort Cumberland, Nova Scotia.

1777-Battle of Brandywine Washington attacks across Chad's Ford and captures 6000 Hessians but is driven back by flanking force leaving the British in control of the field. Battle of Saratoga goes OTL

1778-British abandon Philadelphia and Newport(in OTL 1779). French fleet arrives and participates in New England plan to capture Halifax and Newfoundland in August.

1779-Montgomery having been exchanged earlier in the war leads attack against Montreal(forces are from OTL Sullivan's Expedition). French fleet with 5000 marines sails up the St. Lawrence and occupies Quebec.
 
Why would the USA want all of Canada, Mexico, and North America? That being said, I can see a time line where the USA has more of North America.

1.) The USA is more successful in the ARW. This could be possible by capturing and holding what would be become Upper Canada in 1779. I like the time line also where Nova Scotia joins the other 13 colonies in 1776. So from the ARW, the USA has Ontario and Nova Scotia.

This will make it easier in the future for the rest of Canada to become American by peaceful means. Also, it makes adding southern territory easier as well due to a desire to even out slave and free states.

2.) American culture is more accepting of foreigners. Perhaps even citizenship is spelled out better in the US Constitution. This will make acquiring Latin territory easier.

3.) USA buys LA purchase same as OTL

4.) The USA has better relations with Britain after the ARW. No embargo act and no War of 1812.

5.) Instead of splitting the Red River territory in 1818, the USA purchases it and keeps the Milk river territory. This gives the USA the best part of Manitoba and Saskatchewan plus a little of Alberta.

6.) USA annexes Texas in 1836 after it wins independence to equal out slave and free. This makes Mexico mad, War with Mexico nets USA New Mexico and California including baja California.

7.) USA supports Rio Grande republic in 1840, it is victorious and wants to become part of USA. USA annexes and takes Chihuahua and Veracruz states in Second Mexican War.

8.) Polk has campaign goals of settling Oregon question, Acquiring more of Mexico
The Oregon question is settled, the USA buys all except for Vancouver Island from the British. Polk also purchases British Honduras.

9.) Polk makes the Gadsden purchase for all of Sonora, Durango, Sinaloa and Zacatecas. USA gives British Honduras to Mexico. Also states that Mexico can absorb Guatamala and Honduras if wanted. This is the last of US possessions in Mexico.

10.) Civil War occurs four years earlier after 1856 election

11.) Dominion of Canada is created. It is Quebec. Later other portions of what is left such as Northern Ontario, Northern Manitoba, and the Northwest territories are added. PEI and Newfoundland are added as well. It is pretty much a French country with some Englishmen added into the mix.

11.) USA acquires Alaska in 1867 from Russia. It is not called Seward's folly, USA is protecting Pacific Northwest.

12.) USA purchases Yukon territory, rest of Alberta and rest of Saskatchewan.

13.) In Spanish American War, USA annexes Cuba and Puerto Rico and makes the Philippines a protectorate. Along with Virgin Islands, they become the State of American West Indies.

14.) US and British good relation results in a joint effort to build two canals, one in Nicaragua (USA) and one in Panama (UK). One is for Pacific to Atlantic traffic and the other is for Atlantic to Pacific.

15.) After WWII, the USA creates an oceanic state, Pacifica out of Hawaii and other Pacific island possessions, mainly Guam and Samoa. Will also include islands captured from Japan such as Carolines, Marshal Islands, and Marianas.

So in this way, not all of Canada and Mexico are annexed but some of the best parts are.

From Canada, the USA will get the southern Ontario region which will become an industrial juggernaut. The USA will obtain the wheat fields of Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta. The USA will obtain the oil fields of Alberta ...

From Mexico, the USA will obtain the oil along the gulf and in the gulf. The mines of northern Mexico will also be in the USA.
 

Warsie

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Why would the USA want all of Canada, Mexico, and North America? That being said, I can see a time line where the USA has more of North America.

Manifest Destiny, basically

I think that Mexico would have to be conquered gradually. A piece at a time. Perhaps in the 1830s Texas is annexed, followed by some surrounding territory. In the 1840s we have California and most of the west coast, perhaps the yucatan. ad perhaps followed by the filibusters in the 1850s which would lead to total annexation of the mexican and meso-american states during the late 1860-1870s.

I've bad that idea as well, having there be no Mexican American war, just the US chopping off pieces of northern Mexico/letting secessionist movements grow in the north and have them split off from the central government, while slowly annexing the more older states/territories that full of recent immigrants and 'americans' a la Texas. Maybe there is a war to conquer a rump 'Mexica' territory that is OTL central mexico minus Oaxaca and Tabasco states (Chiapas and Yucatan went Mayan Reoublic, Oaxaca is an 'Indio' republic which formed out of the collapse of Mexico.

I've always seen the whole "US conquers all of North America" as something with massive potential for a fatal backfire.

I did a speculative TL where the US annexed all of Mexico during the Mexican war and left the right of slavery up to the Mexicans themselves. They also are a little more brutal to California in this TL making it a hot bed of resistance as well. This had the adverse effect of letting the issue of slavery smolder for a number of years and as a result the Civil War erupts in 1862 instead. The war is multi-sided with California splitting off to form its own Republic and a very violently nationalist Mexico rising in open revolt. Unable to act on all fronts the US loses the war badly and The CSA becomes independent as well as Mexico and California.

This leaves a weakened USA, and a CSA backed by France and California and Mexico backed by Britain. This makes California and the CSA the countries mortal enemies while the opinion on Mexico is divided, but leaves the Mexicans hating the US with a fiery passion.

I had the idea of a slow gobbling of Mexican territories, and a civil war happens like OTL. The US largely lets Them secede, knowing the CSA cannot form a viable long term government. Rio Grande joins OTL confederacy, and they buy Cuba and Puerto Rico from Spain. The CSA has uprisings against slavery and the system, and being loosely federated the US reannexes the states slowly with less deaths and destruction than OTL but i do see a more 'regular' civil war in the deep south hard slave owning states after everyone else surrendered easily. several CSA states switch allegiances too, like Rio Grande due to a lack of slaves.

The US annexing former Mexican states easier than the Confederates helps too, as Mexicans are not interested in Slavery...

Also the chaos from balkanizing Mexico means more Mexicans who are mestizo and whatnot settle in the great plains easing out their population preventing a clear majority in Mexican states/providing cultural fusion and due to the annexation being less violent than OTL there is no revanchism among Spanish speakers, there is cultural erosion to the point that only those in the 'Mexica' rump state speak Spanish in any large amount, while Spanish speakers behave like Germans would have without WWI in OTL - intermarrying with others while keeping their language.

Combine this with more English speakers I. oTL mexico from immigration from other parts of the USA and well.
secede
 
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Mexico would be the easiest to take; we were tempted to do it in OTL, but kept to the empty northern territories instead. However, holding onto the populated parts of Mexico would have been tough. Canada would have been a lot harder to take, with Britain backing them up. However, if it was done, holding onto it might have been easier, since so much of the nation was Anglophone (except for those irredentists in Quebec) already. Basically, taking the entirety of either nation would involve taking a lot of really empty areas that could probably be held, and big areas of non-English speaking natives who would be troublesome...
 
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