Get Russia into NATO and the EU

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Well with a POD of 1917 alone it's tough to join an Analog. First and foremost all factions save the Bolsheviks were for continuing the war with Germany, despite the problems of doing so. Second even if Russia somehow makes it out of the war, it has to deal with all the aforementioned factions, hope they don't come to blows in a civil war. All of this is on top of trying a stable social situation. Then there's the issue of what would they do with all the various Non-Russian populations in the Russian state.

This is isn't even getting into, how is this NATO/EU analog going to form?

I said this upthread, but one way (and I have no idea how plausible this is) is to have Russia and Germany flip roles in an alternate WW2. Germany goes Red instead of Fascist, along with a few other countries (say Poland, Austria, etc.), while the Whites win the Civil War and turn into something halfway between Fascist Italy and Germany, with a virulent hatred of Communism.

*Russia gets it into its head that it needs to reform "Great Russia", and so they start making moves on Eastern Europe. They invade Poland, Germany fights back, and somehow you get the US/UK/France/etc. in the picture. *Russia is defeated, and is on the receiving end of a Marshall Plan like reconstruction effort, as Germany (and their Warsaw Pact analogue) are now a major power right in the middle of Europe.

Like I said, no idea if this is possible, but it's something, I guess?
 
By 1998 Yeltsin was in poor health though, so my POD would be Yelstin having a stroke in October of 1998 while Vadim Gustov is Prime Minister.
Would it not be better to avoid Yeltsin altogether and try and get someone that's at least vaguely honest and effective President instead? My general idea would be to try and avoid the big bang style economic reforms in Russia for something more along the lines of the policies the Baltic states followed, IIRC they were the best transition economies of the post-Soviet states, along with an alternate to Yeltsin coming to power. You're still going to see a lot of turmoil due to structural weaknesses in the Russian economy and society but I don't think it could hurt any.
 
Would it not be better to avoid Yeltsin altogether and try and get someone that's at least vaguely honest and effective President instead? My general idea would be to try and avoid the big bang style economic reforms in Russia for something more along the lines of the policies the Baltic states followed, IIRC they were the best transition economies of the post-Soviet states, along with an alternate to Yeltsin coming to power. You're still going to see a lot of turmoil due to structural weaknesses in the Russian economy and society but I don't think it could hurt any.

The alternatives could be worse: Zyuganov, Zhirinovsky, coup plotters, take your pick. Zyuganov's Communists would have never cooperate with the West, and we know too well that Zhirinovsky ruling Russia would become a dystopia, as would the coup plotters.
 

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When Russia starts playing nice with the West from 1988 onwards, respond in kind. When they stop targeting our cities with nukes, stop targeting theirs. And when the coup weakens Russia in 1991, don't shove NATO right to it's borders, push it around, and make it clear that if it had no nukes it would be pushed around even more. Then it might well be friends and be welcomed into NATO at least.
 
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