Get an Ottoman Italy
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There was a TL awhile back where Vlad Dracul was an Ottoman general who led the attack on Rome. Can't remember the POD though.
Abdul Hadi Pasha
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If they lacked the ability to conquer a territory, it would make sense to ravage in order to keep foes off balance until it was possible to press the advantage. This was a common tactic in this period.
Keenir
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but if they didn't lack the ability....(the initial post doesn't say when Italy becomes Ottoman, only assumes that the Ottomans only know how to ravage and sack)
Abdul Hadi Pasha
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Assuming an Ottoman landing, say in Otranto, as in OTL, it will take some time to consolidate hold over any conquests achieved. As Italy is entirely Christian and separated by a sea, some basis for Ottoman power has to be established. That would probably mean shipping over some Turcomans and other assorted settlers. While consolidating control over southern Italy, it would probably be necessary to conduct raids into central and Northern Italy to keep any potential counterattacks off-balanced.
Well... you have to get them heading in that direction before they become invested in Hungary. Mass Christian conquests are all very well and good (actually probably more trouble than they were worth, but I digress) but there's no way the Ottomans could even start at doing more than one.
Perhaps I should make myself clear, now that I'm no longer talking to an intoxicated German in Spanish.
ISTM that you can easily get the Ottomans to invade Italy; to hold Otranto, and threaten Rome.
A long term invasion, however, seems far more difficult. eventually the Christian powers will drive them out.
No?
ISTM that you can easily get the Ottomans to invade Italy; to hold Otranto, and threaten Rome.
A long term invasion, however, seems far more difficult. eventually the Christian powers will drive them out.
No?
Abdul Hadi Pasha
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Depends. The Christian powers took 700 years to drive them out of Macedonia and never quite did out out Constantinople.
But a long-term stay would be difficult without forced conversion, and the Ottomans just didn't do that.
It could still have a large impact, as the Ottomans would probably place Southern Italy and Sicily back under the juristiction of the Patriarch of Constantinople. I wonder if it's too late to re-Hellenize?
Abdul Hadi Pasha
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I think Malta was intended to remove a hostile base on the communication route with Ottoman Tunis and Algiers. The failure to take it has to count as a major loss for the Ottomans. Having it, it could serve as a springboard for invasion of Sicily, but I'm not sure how realistic that was by the mid 16th c.
Well, if it's before the OTL Risorgimento, then why not? That would be very interesting though if Southern Italy spoke Greek again.
Here's another possibility. Apparently in those areas of Greece that were under Venetian control, the Greek Catholic population survived. What would it take to get the Campanians/Apulians/Maltese/etc. to become Eastern Rite (Greek) Catholic, instead of Orthodox, in this scenario, or have part of the population Eastern Rite Catholic?