Get a Romanov on the Mexican throne

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In my studying's of the First Mexican Empire, there was talk of importing a European noble on the throne to please the conservatives. Naturally, the Bourbons were favored, but would it be possible if some other dynasties to be considered, especially a Romanov? Or would the Mexican elites not prefer an Eastern Orthodox Monarch?
 
In my studying's of the First Mexican Empire, there was talk of importing a European noble on the throne to please the conservatives. Naturally, the Bourbons were favored, but would it be possible if some other dynasties to be considered, especially a Romanov? Or would the Mexican elites not prefer an Eastern Orthodox Monarch?

With it being a majoritively Catholic and it was really Napolean III who wanted to establish Mexico as a monarchy to legitimize French rule, you would neeed to find some one with the support of the French army and the conservative mexican monarchists. And this is around the 1860's.

So Russia is out due to French and Russian relations, the Crimean War only finished in 1856.

Napoleon III was strangle very close with England (he will died and be buired in a catholic church in Chislehurst, Kent, England) so you could chose from:
  • Prince George, 2nd Duke of Cambridge (Cousin of Queen Victoria)
  • Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught and Strathearn (Son of Queen Victoria)
Napoleon III also had ties with the Italian throne, after he helped set the kingdom up, so you could have, Prince Amedeo of Savoy (2nd son of King Vittorio Emanuele II)

Francis II of the Two Sicilies, has recently lost his kingdom due to the conquoring of it by Italy, so he is a king without a Kingdom.
 
now i want to see the ROmanovs flee to Mexico after being deposed.

But that would be after 1900, and then they have the revolutional all over again when Trosky gets out there lol

No Romanovs will sit on the mexican throne unless they colonies Mexico instead of Alaska which is pushing a bit close to ASB :)
 
There was talk as far back as the 1820s and especially the early Santa Ana era of bringing in a European noble to appease the Conservatives and promote stability. It is doubtful that a Romanov would be acceptable to anyone in Mexico, especially the church which had a lot of power all the way until Juarez.

While it beats being executed by Bolsheviks, I can't see civil war torn Mexico as high on the list as appropriate refuges for the surviving Romanovs. There may be a small somewhat plausible way to make that happen but I'm at a loss right now.

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With it being a majoritively Catholic and it was really Napolean III who wanted to establish Mexico as a monarchy to legitimize French rule, you would neeed to find some one with the support of the French army and the conservative mexican monarchists. And this is around the 1860's.

So Russia is out due to French and Russian relations, the Crimean War only finished in 1856.

Napoleon III was strangle very close with England (he will died and be buired in a catholic church in Chislehurst, Kent, England) so you could chose from:
  • Prince George, 2nd Duke of Cambridge (Cousin of Queen Victoria)
  • Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught and Strathearn (Son of Queen Victoria)
Napoleon III also had ties with the Italian throne, after he helped set the kingdom up, so you could have, Prince Amedeo of Savoy (2nd son of King Vittorio Emanuele II)

Francis II of the Two Sicilies, has recently lost his kingdom due to the conquoring of it by Italy, so he is a king without a Kingdom.
Ok, Queen Victoria's kid as the Mexican Emperor has so much potential I'm stealing this if you don't mind.

Although, is there any candidate you can thinking of for the first empire and not the second?
There was talk as far back as the 1820s and especially the early Santa Ana era of bringing in a European noble to appease the Conservatives and promote stability. It is doubtful that a Romanov would be acceptable to anyone in Mexico, especially the church which had a lot of power all the way until Juarez.
Perhaps if he converts to Catholicism? Maybe Russia puts forth one of their own as a means to expand their influence abroad?

While it beats being executed by Bolsheviks, I can't see civil war torn Mexico as high on the list as appropriate refuges for the surviving Romanovs. There may be a small somewhat plausible way to make that happen but I'm at a loss right now.

Benjamin
We've a POD in the 1810s though. That doesn't necessarily mean Mexico will be the same shaky nation with that POD. Lots of time to fix the mess that was OTL and make it an attractive place to settle.
 

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Have a Russian princess convert to catholicism to marry into a German, French, Italian, Spanish, or English family. Once there, have her husband be offered the Mexican throne. Once there, have the Princess gain more popularity than her husband so as to be invited to stay after the Prince/King/Emperor's death. Through her a cousin may be invited over, asked to convert, and then rule after her own demise if she did not have issue.
 

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With it being a majoritively Catholic and it was really Napolean III who wanted to establish Mexico as a monarchy to legitimize French rule, you would neeed to find some one with the support of the French army and the conservative mexican monarchists. And this is around the 1860's.

So Russia is out due to French and Russian relations, the Crimean War only finished in 1856.

Napoleon III was strangle very close with England (he will died and be buired in a catholic church in Chislehurst, Kent, England) so you could chose from:
  • Prince George, 2nd Duke of Cambridge (Cousin of Queen Victoria)
  • Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught and Strathearn (Son of Queen Victoria)
Napoleon III also had ties with the Italian throne, after he helped set the kingdom up, so you could have, Prince Amedeo of Savoy (2nd son of King Vittorio Emanuele II)

Francis II of the Two Sicilies, has recently lost his kingdom due to the conquoring of it by Italy, so he is a king without a Kingdom.

I thought we were talking about the First Empire here. The regency council looked for candidates throughout Europe, but Spain forbade any Bourbons from taking the throne which prompted Mexican general Agistin de Iturbide to take it.

Maybe they can get a Romanov to convert to Catholicism? The Russians got a German princess to convert to orthodoxy after all.
 
I thought we were talking about the First Empire here. The regency council looked for candidates throughout Europe, but Spain forbade any Bourbons from taking the throne which prompted Mexican general Agistin de Iturbide to take it.

Maybe they can get a Romanov to convert to Catholicism? The Russians got a German princess to convert to orthodoxy after all.

How about russian empire nobilities like any remaining polish nobles?
 
As others have said, Catholicism is a must for any Mexican monarch. No one who would have any interest in establishing a Mexican monarchy would be willing to anger the Church (a Liberal might, but hardly any of them would support a monarch, and certainly not a Romanov).

More importantly, accepting an invitation to become Emperor right after independence would be a major insult to the Spanish, as well as setting a dangerous precedent by supporting a revolutionary movement. I doubt Tsar Alexander I would countenance any of his relatives participating in such radical nonsense.
 
Ok, Queen Victoria's kid as the Mexican Emperor has so much potential I'm stealing this if you don't mind.

Although, is there any candidate you can thinking of for the first empire and not the second?

Perhaps if he converts to Catholicism? Maybe Russia puts forth one of their own as a means to expand their influence abroad?


We've a POD in the 1810s though. That doesn't necessarily mean Mexico will be the same shaky nation with that POD. Lots of time to fix the mess that was OTL and make it an attractive place to settle.

You can have that idea, as long as i can be credited with the spark when the TL wins the Turtledove award :)

For the 1st Empire - you would need to be careful, any nobility that takes the role puts their home-nation at odds with Spain. The only candidate I can think of is Napoleon II, which would lead on to Napoleon III picking one of QV's children to succeed him,?

I wonder if a member of the portugese crown familly, ironically... or Savoie. Or such.
As I said about if they take the throne in Mexico, this will p*ss the spanish off causing a small war which neither Portugal or Savoly could handle, althought this could lead to a humours TL with Brazil going independent with a Spanish Emperor lol

Have a Russian princess convert to catholicism to marry into a German, French, Italian, Spanish, or English family. Once there, have her husband be offered the Mexican throne. Once there, have the Princess gain more popularity than her husband so as to be invited to stay after the Prince/King/Emperor's death. Through her a cousin may be invited over, asked to convert, and then rule after her own demise if she did not have issue.
Changing from Russian Orthordox to Catholic is not that easy, many Russian Princessess who married outside their religion never really converted which catholic mexico would not be able to handle.

I thought we were talking about the First Empire here. The regency council looked for candidates throughout Europe, but Spain forbade any Bourbons from taking the throne which prompted Mexican general Agistin de Iturbide to take it.

Maybe they can get a Romanov to convert to Catholicism? The Russians got a German princess to convert to orthodoxy after all.
As I said above, this would not work, war would break out in Europe. It's a bit like a French Monarch being elected by Thomas Jefferson to sit on the throne of America - Britain would see this as a form of attack from France

(Have I just thought of 3 different TL in one thread :confused: wow I am on a roll today :D)
 

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You can have that idea, as long as i can be credited with the spark when the TL wins the Turtledove award :)

For the 1st Empire - you would need to be careful, any nobility that takes the role puts their home-nation at odds with Spain. The only candidate I can think of is Napoleon II, which would lead on to Napoleon III picking one of QV's children to succeed him,?


As I said about if they take the throne in Mexico, this will p*ss the spanish off causing a small war which neither Portugal or Savoly could handle, althought this could lead to a humours TL with Brazil going independent with a Spanish Emperor lol


Changing from Russian Orthordox to Catholic is not that easy, many Russian Princesses who married outside their religion never really converted which catholic Mexico would not be able to handle.

As I said above, this would not work, war would break out in Europe. It's a bit like a French Monarch being elected by Thomas Jefferson to sit on the throne of America - Britain would see this as a form of attack from France

(Have I just thought of 3 different TL in one thread :confused: wow I am on a roll today :D)
Would Russia even care about what Spain wants? They never seem to have allied as far as I know or even try to get on each others good graces?
 
Russia would care what France wants, and they're still reactionary Bourbons at this point. Plus, Alexander I (or his immediate successors) would definitely not be keen on encouraging people to rebel against their rightful rulers. He'd just supported the French in quashing a liberal revolt in Spain, after all.
 
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