Are you saying that invading the Soviet Union would be a walkover? If not, you must agree there is a large element of risk. If you agree there is a large element of risk, you must agree there is a good chance Turkey will stay out.because teaming up with the conquerors of the British Empire and the whole of Continental Europe doesn't look impressive enough to face the "invincible" Red Army...
If the Soviets were against continental Europe, Britain and America, she would have lost. Had the Soviets been against America they probably would have lost. Had the British Empire, Turkey and Japan allied themselves to the Nazis then they would have likely lost. Against the Nazis, Turkey and Japan, it is almost an even bet, where the Soviets would lose a short war, but win a long war. Against the Nazis and Japan, I think the result is similar with less hurt to the USSR, Against Nazi Europe, Nazis make gains early on but eventually get fucked.One thing I always wondered to ask Russian/Sovietwanking, just how big needs to be the stacking of countries, military/industrial resources, and great powers against the Russia/URSS alone, so that their "invincible" country is eventually but surely overrun and crushed ? Is there a threshold the poor wankers of other countries can rely on when discussing and writing TLs, without suffering this annoying "the Russians/Soviets will always win" mantra ? Germany, Japan, Britain, France, the USA, the Race, China, NATO, twelve legions of angels, the Draka, what ???![]()
I do not believe that Britain would get involved. I do not believe Turkey would get involved and I think the Japanese would be concentrating on China in the short-term and also their earlier defeat against Russia also counts for them thinking twice before entry. As such I think Germany would get fucked. The German command structure almost made it certain.
"Please sir, go to war with us, it'll be a jolly jape! You can finish China off later!"Even if the Germans had asked them to enter ????![]()
Wrong, and I find quite amusing that the person who in this thread has talked of the evils of "self-hating multiculturalism" to call me a racist.Oh, yes because the fall of Franchist Spain, Salazarist Portugal, the Generals' Greece, Videla's Argentina, Pinochet, Communism in Eastern Europe, South Africa Aparthed has always required military invasion and foreign occupation. Every people is perfectly able to walk back the path to democracy on its own but the Germans. The usual racist anti-German prejudice that the whole "unconditional surrender" argument was based upon in the minds of Roosevelt & Co.![]()
Nazi Germany was quite unlike any of the above regimes. Look at the Poles who were herded from the "incorporated territories" to the General government in Poland just because their face didn't fit. Look at the Volksdeutsche who were quite openly and being encouraged to take over land and businesses in the occupied territories, including the General Government. That alone would fuck up Eastern and Central Europe far more than years of dictatorship which would eventually lift. It was due to this that the Nazi changes were in a sense irreversable and directly affected nations as few other dictatorships did. The Soviet changes were not. After Communism fell, the Poles etc. took charge of the affairs of state, once the Nazis would fall, would you tell the grandchildren of the Nazis that they were to lose their land? This is not to mention the lack of education the eastern europeans would have recieved. The very policy of the Nazis would have wrecked Europe and created a racial tension ten times worse than today.
Such a philosophy had to be strangled whilst it was small and I am glad the allies did so. Any compromise peace would risk the policy being continued and is why the Nazis had to be crushed.
Defending the territorial integrity of a nation is not stupidity. Even had Britain and the Empire gone down in 1940, at least she would have gone down fighting the most repugnant regime the Empire had ever faced. Such is a badge of honour.Only after Hitler saved their butts by the unspeakable idiocy of declaring war on the USA for no perceivable gain and provided Roosevelt the only way America was going to accept the war with Germany or another Great Power after Pearl Harbor. The out-of-the-blue idiocy of your enemy doesn't excuse your own stupidity.
I see you made other points but I have answered them in my above replies.
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