Correct, but they didn't because of a successful launch of their falcon rocket. How would that be butterflied away?
I only ask because that is a rather big knock-on effect, the results and replacement of which could be an update in itself.
Geronimo : What if Osama Bin Laden was killed prior to 9/11?
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I only ask because that is a rather big knock-on effect, the results and replacement of which could be an update in itself.
You said pointless argument. I could say the same for why the butterflies are just so crazy and wish fulling. As much as you hate it, 4chan also played and plays a huge part in shaping Internet as we know it today. The loss of Youtube and 4chan are increasingly making me hesitant if I'm choosing between this timeline or ours to be honest.
Late reply but I don't know if I can deal with no Funamusea games, but I do think that Funamusea's popularity as a artist would still rise up in popularity in one day or another, like if these games, events of this indie-franchise were indirectly connected to post-9/11, the loss some of Okegom elements will be painful.
Edit: Also I've heard that one of those medias I've talked about were inspired by Yume-Nikki, not sure if I'm correct about this but this will be interesting on what non-9/11 Yume-Nikki and Funamusea games will be like.
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The author adopted it
No turning back
You seem so angry, but there's what it is, what's done is done
And if you go back you can see the author actually love the setting which took away the 4Chan
Iwanh welcome everybody contributed to the TL, if you have problem, talk to him, he is kind and open-minded.
What makes me sick is that you guys, yes not just one person, already seems so angry and emotional, that doesn't sit with me, I mean Jesus you were actually getting mad at 4Chan's ill fate in parallel universe ??? Really?
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I wonder what no 4chan will actually be like, personally since a lot of Touhou and Funamusea games was partially popularized by 4chan (I mean it was mostly popularized by YouTube for good reasons but still)
No offense. I'm not angry. It's just a waste of energy and time to be angry for this aspect of this TL. It's just, let's just say internet especially Youtube and to a lesser effect 4chan's effects really, really helps me to have entertainment especially in this time.
Besides, you know what else might be erased by this so-called butterfly effects ?
This site.
Edit : Holy shit. Now I remember yet another thing that could/would be erased by the non-existence of Youtube and 4chan. Vtubers especially Hololive. Congrats, now you make me hate this TL's cultural aspect instead of having a bit of negative feelings.
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Hey @Iwanh, got a minor and perhaps a very nitpicky suggestion.
Is it alright if 9/4 can also be known as The City Day Attacks?
I'm from Australia and this isn't meant to be a dig or anything but I think Americans (and Canadians) sometimes forget that they're the only country that uses the month-day-year format when writing dates. I also noticed that naming events after an all-numeric date tends to be an American thing.
I just don't think it's plausible for Australians to call a Russian historical event by its American date notation. In my opinion, there's nothing really significant or noteworthy about the dates 9/4 or 4/9 compared to 9/11 (the US emergency services number). Off the top of my head, I can't think of many famous events named after the D/M format other than the 2005 London attacks (7/7, doesn't matter if the date is in the D/M or M/D format). 9/4 will probably be the common name in the US, Canada, China, Japan and some Asian countries.
I think people in the UK, Australia, New Zealand and other English speaking countries are more likely to refer to 9/4 as the 2004 Moscow City Day Attacks, or the 2004 City Day Attacks, or simply The City Day Attacks. In Europe, Latin America and Russia itself, they'll probably refer to it as the 4th of September Attacks in their own languages rather than simply 4/9.
City Days after all are something exclusive to the former Soviet Union so it's unlikely someone saying The City Day Attacks will get confused with some other date, event, holiday or celebration from other parts of the world.
hey at least we still have a much bigger vocaloid movement and possibly a healthier animation meme/furry community am i right
at least one thing thats kinda cool about russias 9/11 scenario is that the date 4/9 means that arthurs april 9th episode sorta becomes real
Thank you for saying it, I wanted to say this too to get it off my chest
hey at least without 9/11 we still have myspace, geocities, alternate newgrounds, a better modern deviantart (possibly with full animations instead of AI art), fta streaming services, au spotify, steam and peertube to take their place,
even though youtube is a pretty good site for something thats free, their copyright system that forces people who are computer illiterate to watch happy tree friends, rules (such as coppa and the recent no cussing rule ruining videos from the past and future) is very draconian
if i wanted to watch happy tree friends as an educational tool, i would just watch it as a way to learn how not to treat animals (or using it as a replacement for frog dissecting)
not by leeching off htfs popularity for clout just because someone uploaded a rare 90s edm song or a full episode of an obscure 80s tv show thats lost media
and if i wanted to watch cartoons and other old kids shows without comments or likes, i would just get those shows on vhs or dvd (at least they have bonus features and cool 90s ads)
also if i wanted to watch avgn without cussing i would just watch old g4tv shows like xplay, electric playground and the 1999 era classic game room instead
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I agree with most of it, but 9/4 here are so called because most users here from US. In addition, I think that the name "The City Day Attacks" will be in the background (unlike "4 September Attacks")
I also want to say that some part of the meme culture is likely to appear on other sites (from SA or Futaba Channel to social media)
In no way have I attached any substantive emotion in regards to my investment in reading this timeline so keep your accusatory rhetoric from being so broad and I think everyone will be much happier here.
I feel you
I'm sorry to hear that
A trade off of a more peaceful world really hard to deal with
I'm sorry but I can't fucking handle vtubers being nonexistent such as Funamusea since Youtube helped me to have entertainment especially in this time. Besides, you know what else might be erased by this so-called butterfly effects.
Another thing that could be erased by the non-existence of Youtube and 4chan. Entire 2010s and 2020s internet pop-culture (To some extents cough cough US riots)
Now you made me hate this TL's cultural aspect instead of having atleast of hopeful feelings.
I'll...ignore for now people believing that 9/11 is better than a worse off pop culture(from a very subjective standpoint) because I want address that vtuber thing
I dont know why you guys are assuming that will be the case?
Like I dont know how much it was influenced by 4chan IOTL, but the main components of Vtubing as I see it are
A) Anime girls(and sometimes boys too)
B) Streaming services
C) Motion detection technology
A is a given as long Anime grows in popularity in the West, 4chan didnt invent the idea that "oh look that japanese character is so lovable" they just jumped into that trend and made it part of their culture, its going to happen regardless with anime being popular
C I havent seen any update saying that kind of tech got butterflied away so if anything I expect it to be more advanced due to TTL focus on non-military technology(at least sightly more than OTL due to No War on Terror)
As for B it has already been confirmed that not only streaming exists but it seems to be doing better than IOTL
So I would say Vtubing has more chance of existing here than it had IOTL
I'm sorry if I accidentally made my intention that 9/11 is "better" off (It is not, for the longer terms if GWB was a POTUS) I'm just pissed off this TL is just a waste of energy without any considerations for this aspect of Geronimo so I made a sarcastic comment about it, although you might actually be right about this.
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Yeah it came off as that because GhostTrader made a similar comment about his hesitancy in choosing between the timelines because of the pop culture