Really? The zombie trend was actually peaking around this time. At least PvZ and The Walking Dead could revive the genre if that's the case...
Geronimo : What if Osama Bin Laden was killed prior to 9/11?
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OTL? yes. TTL? No.
Read pop culture 2004 chapter
And World War Z was called World War M in TTL, it's about martian
(Pop culture 2006)
Since the Taliban has been significantly weakened since 2004. What will happen once Mullah Omar dies? From my speculation once he dies the Taliban would probably fade away and in the 2010s depending how an alternate Arab spring turns out Islamic terrorism would probably fade away with only africa being the sole strong hold.
That would mean for the US, the "end of history" era starts to come to a close the South China Sea would potentially be the most important geopolitical Hotspot. For Eastern Europe, it's more of a mystery depending if Putin is more inward looking since the 9/4 attacks.
That would mean for the US, the "end of history" era starts to come to a close the South China Sea would potentially be the most important geopolitical Hotspot. For Eastern Europe, it's more of a mystery depending if Putin is more inward looking since the 9/4 attacks.
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But what do you guys think would happen when Islamic extremist groups like Al Queda become mostly irrelevant and most of the activity shifts to Africa away as conflict in the middle east possibly subside or at the very least be peaceful enough that western media like BBC and CNN ignores the region completely?
Think it'll hot up but the focus will be on africa especially ethiopia/Somalia.
I won't be surprised if Ayman and Atef focused on regrouping in Eastern Africa over trying to attack the west and instead bleed them in the continent basically they abandoned Afghanistan.
On the topic of Russia after 9/4: I think that one of the main consequences of 9/4 will be the early politicization of society. Most likely, this will lead to an increase in the popularity of nationalists and anti-war liberals.
And I think, that if Putin running for a third term, it may lead to earlier mass protests*
* - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011–2013_Russian_protests
And I think, that if Putin running for a third term, it may lead to earlier mass protests*
* - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011–2013_Russian_protests
So could the LDRP or the liberals have an actual chance of electoral victory ?
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Then again, from how Iraq is starting to see Civil War, the Arab Spring might begin earlier than OTL.
The question is how it's going to affect the great recession if the Arab spring occurs in 2009?
LDPR in 2003 almost became second party. I think, that in 2007 they have chance a 12-15%(8% OTL).
That's good for opposition in hybrid regime which is in autocratization.
Anti-war liberals will be more popular not so much in official politics, but as an out-of-system opposition.
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But I still think Putin would still manage to consolidate his power by the late 2000s and maybe it might lead to an earlier Ukraine revolution.
Euromaidan only occurs because Yanukovich start playing double. He gets to power over promise to integrate with the EU only to pull out half way. A rug pull that pisses people off.
If there's no such move it is likely Ukraine ended up a relatively more democratic Belarus
If the Euromaidan got butterflied away thanks to 9/4 What would the West's relationship with Putin's Russia be like then?
I think the failure of the Orange Revolution will mean that Russia maintains good relations with the West for the foreseeable future. One of the main reasons Putin began his anti-Western shift is because he genuinely believes since at least 2004 that the United States has been pushing for regime change in Russia. He was convinced of this by the political advisors he sent to Ukraine to help elect Yanukovych in 2004, who after they came back to Russia created the theory of "Colour Revolutions" to explain their failures. ITTL Colour Revolution theory wouldn't even exist as a coherent concept, since both the Orange and the Tulip Revolutions failed (I think this might partly explain why Putin seeks a third term, as he isn't as afraid of domestic unrest).
On the topic of Ukraine, I don't think a revolution is inevitable. The 2014 revolution was very particular and hard to replicate, it essentially happened the way it did because Yanukovych kept shooting himself in the foot and fumbling every attempt at de-escalation with the protesters. Considering how badly the Ukrainian economy was hit by the Great Recession IRL, I think it's more likely that Yanukovych will lose in a landslide against some reform-minded candidate in 2010, probably some Tymoshenko surrogate or perhaps Vitali Klitschko, who ITTL was elected mayor of Kyiv in 2006.
On the topic of Ukraine, I don't think a revolution is inevitable. The 2014 revolution was very particular and hard to replicate, it essentially happened the way it did because Yanukovych kept shooting himself in the foot and fumbling every attempt at de-escalation with the protesters. Considering how badly the Ukrainian economy was hit by the Great Recession IRL, I think it's more likely that Yanukovych will lose in a landslide against some reform-minded candidate in 2010, probably some Tymoshenko surrogate or perhaps Vitali Klitschko, who ITTL was elected mayor of Kyiv in 2006.
Not just the orange revolution. It is theorize 2 events that Putin 'learnt' to be hostile with the West is NATO bombing of Serbia and the 2003 Iraq War.
Since the latter is also butterflied away, that is also another less reason for the OTL hostility
By invading Iraq - it gave Putin an excuse to invade Ukraine by claiming that they have bioweapons as one of his justifications too