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What if, there was no Nazi party? Hitler gets accepted as an art student and the Nazis never become a major force in German politics. What happens?
 
Hitler's avantguarde paintings take the world by storm and make him an instant star of the arts scene. His mind-boggling creations inspire world leaders as well as revolutionaries. Under their influence, Wilhelm II prioritizes wood-cutting, Gavrilo Princip invents action-painting and the paintball-gun, Lenin and Stalin work on photographic collages in their Switzerland exile.

Thus WW 1 and the Communist regimes are avoided, too.
 
If there is no Hitler and no Nazi Party, the German economy is still in horrible shape, the country is still better from World War I, and because of communist revolutionaries, the Weimar Republic is on the brink of collapse.

I eventually see a communist government seizing power in a revolution and ignoring the Treaty of Versaille by rearming the military and collectivizing the economy. This probably would get the support of the Soviet Union which uses leverage to reunite the former parts of Germany broken up after World War I and dismantle Czechoslovakia, Austria, and Poland in a joint Russian-German invasion that expands communism.

I don't think Britain and France would care very much about saving Poland and risk a war with both a reunited Germany and the Soviet Union. Communism would eventually spread in eastern Europe like Hungary, Romania, Greece, and due to Russian intervention, Spain during the Civil War.

If anything a war with fascist Italy is more likely a military confrontation would occur here as the communists will try to prevent expansion of the fascist in Europe. Mussolini will still probably invade Ethiopia and annex, it but invading the Baltics might make him an invasion target for the communists. Europe would still be at least half communist and secular democracy.

I don't know if Stalin was eager to invade western Europe, but Germany would eventually just be another satellite state of the Soviet Union, and nothing more. The Russians will continue to aid China in its resistance against Japanese expansion which will probably eventually lead to a war in Asia. Japan is force out of the Chinese mainland and has to look elsewhere for natural resources or collapse internally. She probably won't attack France and Britain due to them being strong, but may collapse after a military cou and undergo some sort of modern revolution with the emperor as only a symbolic figurehead in a puppet government. But a much smaller second global war is produced and more communist nations than before. The West remains militarily peaceful and strong without a major war in Europe or Asia involving them.
 
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If there is no Hitler and no Nazi Party, the German economy is still in horrible shape, the country is still bitter from World War I, and because of communist revolutionaries, the Weimar Republic is on the brink of collapse.

This is so improbable. The Nazi party is not a national political factor of major importance until 1930, of minor importance until 1923.

The impetus for actual Communist revolutionary uprisings had been spent by 1923 already. The POD is too late for them.

Without the NSDAP, it is not a given that its voters would wander off to the KPD and play October revolution. Some would, yes, but that doesn't bring Thälmann's guys above 20%. The DNVP would still remain the strong right wing party, unless we have another populist, perhaps fascist right-wing alternative and we are back at the trope of Alt-Nazis.

Violent uprising of the reds? The Reichswehr didn't shoot on the SA, they would (and did) shoot on Communists.

So, without Hitler and his brand of totalitarianism, the question in the early 30s is:
- the Weimar Republic struggles and survives (quite possible if no charismatic Hitler as candidate prevents Hindenburg running again 1932 and you get a center-right president insteand...perhaps)
-a different right wing regime under
--alternate history fascist Germans
--monarchical restauration
--Hindenburg presidential regime
--Reichswehr coup
--combination of the above
-but most certainly no Communist Germany at that point
 
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