Germany/Russian armistice 1915 ?

Was there any conceivable deal Germany & Russia could have made circa 1915 or 1916 ? Such a agreement would have to be persuasive to the Austro-Hungarian Empire as well. I've always assumed not, but want to run this one past any experts here for their thoughts.
 
Was there any conceivable deal Germany & Russia could have made circa 1915 or 1916 ? Such a agreement would have to be persuasive to the Austro-Hungarian Empire as well. I've always assumed not, but want to run this one past any experts here for their thoughts.

What such a deal would entail I am unsure, but there is a scenario to get peace brought about.
 

BlondieBC

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Was there any conceivable deal Germany & Russia could have made circa 1915 or 1916 ? Such a agreement would have to be persuasive to the Austro-Hungarian Empire as well. I've always assumed not, but want to run this one past any experts here for their thoughts.

I assume you don't want to change battle results, just diplomacy.

In April 1915, Russia has Austria on the ropes. Then in May/June 1915 we see a rapid reversal, but at no time is the core of Russia threatened. Between the fall of the Tsar and the Reds leaving the war, the Russians turned down a deal that was basically a cease fire in place. Things are no where near as bad in 1915 for the Russians, so this deal will not work. I guess the Germans could try a "return to prewar borders" but I can't see that having any realistic chance of being accepted by any of three powers.

In 1916, the Brusilov offense works then is reversed by major counter attack a few months later. All Entente powers try to hit CP at same time to win the war. In this mindset, hard to see a deal working. Any deal for same reasons as 1915.

Now if you want to start changing some battles, then I guess you could get a peace deal accepted. Or maybe have internal issues in Russia earlier. Or maybe a much different USA policy.
 
... Or maybe have internal issues in Russia earlier. Or maybe a much different USA policy.

I was thinking of Russian leaders admiting their internal issues & general situation were serious. The Germans & Austrian as well for that matter.

If they did see sense I am guessing the Austrians would have to make a major face saving concession concerning Serbia, or the Balkans in general. This will be a problem in terms of practical results, since the Serbian government, and nationalist fanatics drew so much support from the French & Brits.
 
If I remember correctly the Germans offered peace to Russia in June and July of 1915.

They at first just demanded congress Poland and later Poland + Lithuania.
 
Any references for that. Reading more would be interesting.

My thought is realistic leader would not demand much from Russia. The object is to get Germany out of a two front war and slow the economic decline. If a eastern armistice allows a reduction in rationing Germany is obviously in a better position to defeat the remaining Entente, or get a peace settlement.
 

BlondieBC

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I was thinking of Russian leaders admiting their internal issues & general situation were serious. The Germans & Austrian as well for that matter.

If they did see sense I am guessing the Austrians would have to make a major face saving concession concerning Serbia, or the Balkans in general. This will be a problem in terms of practical results, since the Serbian government, and nationalist fanatics drew so much support from the French & Brits.

Austrians made peace overtures during the war, so a Russian/Austrian negotiation is a better place to start. If there is the motivation in Russia from some POD, then conceptually these two could reach an outline that works for these two and the Germany is brought on board. Something along the lines of Serbia is restored and the Kingdom of Poland (Congress of Poland) goes to the right set of nobility. A buffer in the east and maybe some annexations (Polish border strip), might be enough to for the Germans to rationalize the peace internally.

The whole problem that I have is getting two opposing powers to want to make peace at the same time, and on fairly "generous" terms. In March 1915, Austria would be hard pressed to turn down "Status Quo - Prewar", but why would Russia offer these terms?
 

BlondieBC

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If I remember correctly the Germans offered peace to Russia in June and July of 1915.

They at first just demanded congress Poland and later Poland + Lithuania.

Interesting. I have not seen that offer. If true, it means the German terms changed little from July 1915 until a few months before OTL Russia exit from the war.
 
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