Germany joins Washington Naval Treaty

What would be the limitations on Germany for other classes of warships?

Are there other things going on in this atl world that makes including Germany in the naval treaty attractive? Maybe the Soviets are building a fleet in the Baltic and Germany is seen as a counterweight? That is the first thing I can come up with.
The British wanted to stop the building of the Deutschland-class and the Germans responded by proposing to join the Washington Naval Treaty with a tonnage limit of 125,000. The British and Americans were willing to allow this but the French wouldn't. So ITTL the British and Americans bring the French around. The Deutschland-class is cancelled and Germany has the right to build its new battleships. I believe the French would respond by building the Richelieu-class earlier rather than the Dunkerque-class and the Italians would probably respond as they did IOTL.
 
The British wanted to stop the building of the Deutschland-class and the Germans responded by proposing to join the Washington Naval Treaty with a tonnage limit of 125,000. The British and Americans were willing to allow this but the French wouldn't. So ITTL the British and Americans bring the French around. The Deutschland-class is cancelled and Germany has the right to build its new battleships. I believe the French would respond by building the Richelieu-class earlier rather than the Dunkerque-class and the Italians would probably respond as they did IOTL.
That's fine but RN/USN/IJN will get the full WNT replacement schedule so by WWII the navy's are unrecognisable as is Gemany and Japan's government's
 
That's fine but RN/USN/IJN will get the full WNT replacement schedule so by WWII the navy's are unrecognisable as is Gemany and Japan's government's

That means replacing the R's and the QE's right? And the R&R of course. And come 1938 a replacement for the Hood can be laid down if i think correctly?
 
There is another possibility. Britain pulls out of the LNT but instead of building new battleships builds carriers?
 

SsgtC

Banned
There is another possibility. Britain pulls out of the LNT but instead of building new battleships builds carriers?
Not unless the RN also develops the ability to launch, recover and carry out effective strikes at all times of the day or night and in bad weather. Until effective ASV radar (still 10-15 years off), battleships still have a place in the world's navies
 
Not unless the RN also develops the ability to launch, recover and carry out effective strikes at all times of the day or night and in bad weather. Until effective ASV radar (still 10-15 years off), battleships still have a place in the world's navies

Some more money for carriers might be forthcoming to enable them to slow down enemy ships for their older ones, but they would still want to replace their older battleships in the first hand. After all, how heavy a bomb/torpedo can the current generation of carrier planes carry and how far? And as you say, the weather and without radar it's not really a replacement for battleships yet.
 

SsgtC

Banned
Some more money for carriers might be forthcoming to enable them to slow down enemy ships for their older ones, but they would still want to replace their older battleships in the first hand. After all, how heavy a bomb/torpedo can the current generation of carrier planes carry and how far? And as you say, the weather and without radar it's not really a replacement for battleships yet.
Exactly. While we today look at the building programs in the 1930s for Battleships and wonder what were they thinking, at that time, they were thinking that carrier aircraft were only useful in daylight and good weather and that the aircraft of the day couldn't carry enough of a payload to seriously hurt a battleship
 

NoMommsen

Donor
There is another possibility. Britain pulls out of the LNT but instead of building new battleships builds carriers?
Out of the LNT ?? ... it was rather keen IOTL to be concluded by as many as possible ? ... maybe even before it was concluded, so no new treaty regulating naval armament anymore ?... starting a new naval arms race at full speed ? ... When ?
The problem with this is simply what does the KM get to build?

If they get even one 35,000t ship then everybody else will need to so no extension to the building holiday like OTL LNT, but I agree that they could easily be added if the old WNT build schedule is kept.
What would be the limitations on Germany for other classes of warships?
IF, ... Germany would be accepted into the naval armaments regulations of the WNT-system, then becomming LNT-system in 1930, I am quite sure, that conditions will be renegotiated ... maybe especially about building holidays for the other participants, ... maybe (also ?) a time-clause on the germans before allowed starting cap-ship-building or something similar.



But THAT
As writen if Germany joins the WNT a part of the Versailles Treaty will abgrogated. That a alone will be a mayor coup for Weimar Republic and will have internal effects in Germany.
would be the true and most important "gain" for Germany, despite whatever further restrictions (time to start building, amount of allowed tonnage for caps) would be set into the LNT of this timeline.
It would be the de facto abandoning of the ToV in one of its major parts. That way "easing up" german diplomacys efforts to seek and reach another break in the ToV and one by one the ToV would go down the pipe at all.

By every bit further also improving the rather less "radical" parties in Germany

However, the former also especially the french would see and therefore ...
fight with all they got against an acceptance of Germany into any kind of naval or other "agreement" about any kind of arms.

To get the french to accept this is the real challange here.
 
But THATwould be the true and most important "gain" for Germany, despite whatever further restrictions (time to start building, amount of allowed tonnage for caps) would be set into the LNT of this timeline.
It would be the de facto abandoning of the ToV in one of its major parts. That way "easing up" german diplomacys efforts to seek and reach another break in the ToV and one by one the ToV would go down the pipe at all.

By every bit further also improving the rather less "radical" parties in Germany

However, the former also especially the french would see and therefore ...
fight with all they got against an acceptance of Germany into any kind of naval or other "agreement" about any kind of arms.

To get the french to accept this is the real challange here.

I am not certain the French do that much to stop it is both the USA and UK are on board, the French were alienating both with their baldly revenge agenda that in the eyes of the other allies was destabilizing and undermining lasting peace the Nazis got more than enough freedom of action based on this divide, giving a Weimar government the significant gain in reestablishing Germany as a co-equal internationally might solidify the loose left-leaning coalition of parties more room to assert governance and appease the right. Tov was quickly becoming an embarrassment in the British and American eyes, it was failure in too many regards once history put perspective upon the war, Europe needed to be rebuilt not continually shackled to French dreams of super power glory. Even rather limited a German navy symbolizes that Germany is back as one of the great powers she was and should signal her participation in ongoing arms reductions and diplomacy.
 
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