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Mrstrategy

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what if Germany allies with Poland in the 1930s and they both declare war on soviets in 1940-1941 with not western front since the allies don't have to declare war to protect Poland. Germany gets part of their claim in Poland in exchange for polish claims in Russia will germany /Poland win against soviets?
 
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Hadn't Germany and Poland quiet bad relationships on 1930's? And why they would ally and invade USSR?

And even if Germany and Poland ally and invade USSR I doubt that they can win. Or it of course depend totally their aims. If it is something much more moderate than Hitler's aims they can win but with heavy loses.
 
See https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.history.what-if/YBrroe0gVU4 for a summary of the 1989 discussion by Polish historians on "Would Poland and its people have fared better if they had avoided armed confrontation with Germany in September 1939?" (The answer most of them give is No; in any event, they all seem to think that even a somewhat authoritarian government like that of Poland in 1939 could not ignore the extreme hostility of Polish public opinion to giving in to German demands; as one of them puts it, "there was no such thing as a pro-German faction in the country's politics." See http://tinyurl.com/ztu5m65 for a snippet.)
 
what if Germany allies with Poland in the 1930s and they both declare war on soviets in 1940-1941 with not western front since the allies don't have to declare war to protect Poland. Germany gets part of their claim in Poland in exchange for polish claims in Russia will germany /Poland win against soviets?

What claims? Poland had no claims for USSR territory. And Poland would have prefered for war with USSR to never happen. So no offensive Alliance against USSR - no matter with whom. And as posters above said, Poland had no interest in allying with Germany.
 
It must be said that there were some in Poland who still dreamed of a Greater Poland. In view of the Russo-Polish War which ended in 1920 with a Miracle victory by the gallant Polish Army I would think that that dream was unrealistic. Having said that the Polish government always considered the Soviets to be a serious threat to them. However, the rise of Hitler and his constant tirade on Danzig showed that the Nazi regime was one that no deal could be made with. A Polish-German alliance would have put a very large army on the Eastern Front against a Red Army that suffered from massive problems. Remember even in 1939 the Red Army suffered greatly during its war with Finland and even the Poles who were fighting the Germans still managed to inflict loses on the Red Army. No I do not think that it is likely in anyway to happen. A different regime in Berlin combined with a different treatment of the Russian people might very well have won the war in the east.
 
I don't see that happening. You basically have three scenarios here:

  • No authoritarian regime in Germany: no push for war, the status quo prevails
  • Nazi come to power as OTL: The Nazis have a little something against slavs, invasion proceeds as OTL
  • Communists come to power: a communist regime is very unlikely to attack the USSR, much more likely to double tag Poland with USSR.

Regarding the claims, didn't Poland have bits of Ukraine at some points? That said, Poland is basically any bit of territory with Warsaw in it, so Polish claims are always shaky at best
 
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