Germany Invades US

I would like to know what happen if this operation success, and what would be the suitable POD for Germany to achive this? Also how the battle in North America is going to rage?:)

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Germans-Japanese join project in the 1930s produces the Mark IV Gundam which can be manufactured at a fraction of the cost of a destroyer per unit
 
You might want to read 1901 by Robert Conroy. It's not great literature by any means, and although marred by sloppy research, a flimsy premise, and inaccurate portrayals of both America and Germany of the period, it still makes for a fun read and is, I have to say, better than anything Turtledove's written lately.

1901 falls into some of the same traps as other AH stories I've read: early 20th century characters suddenly wake up and adopt early 21st century views on race, Kaiser Wilhelm is portrayed as a Hitler-like villain, and the Timeline re-converges to something very like our world. For these and other reasons, the novel is best read as pure fiction rather than as serious alternate history. At no time was I ever convinced that German soldiers could really have been strolling down Fifth Avenue. Some parts of the novel were good though, and Conroy does know how to write battle scenes, but there aren't nearly enough of these.
 
Hmm, Germany invading the USA? First off, they have to get across the Atlantic. Add Italy as a German partner, and not even a junior partner as the Italian fleet will be essential. The British Royal Navy needs to be taken out of the picture somehow. I'm thinking that after the fall of France, Germany spends the rest of 1940 and most of 1941 in an naval and air campaign against Britain. Eventually the Axis kick the Brits out of the Med and take Gilbralter. And then whatever else needs to be done to get Britain out of the way.

Will Germany and Italy take the northern or southern route to the Americas? The northern route gives Iceland and Greenland as bases, and nothing else. Newfoundland needs to be taken, but will be hard to keep if Canada is a US ally.

The southern routes feature bases at friendly South American countries, European colonies, or a seizure of bases. And then the Axis fleets need to break through the American outer barrier of bases.

How many months would it take for the Axis to be in position to strike at the US mainland? I'm thinking it would give the USA plenty of time to organize enough divisions to contain any beachhead, then crush it.
 

Anaxagoras

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Is it just me, or have an unusually high number of Nazi-related ASB-level threads shown up in the last few weeks?
 
Is it just me, or have an unusually high number of Nazi-related ASB-level threads shown up in the last few weeks?

No, they have always been prevalent. But to give the original question the respect it may deserve, what follows are some essential preconditions. Taken together they are pretty much ASB, but here goes:

(1) US does not enter "WW2" and remains more isolationist (say FDR is never elected or loses to an isolationist Republican in 1940, and Japan does not attack Pearl Harbor), US does not enter into lend-lease agreements with Britain - ie remains truly neutral

(2) Germany is able to defeat Britain/occupy and defeats the USSR or neutralizes it diplomatically by maintaining the friendship pact. European war is over by late 1941

(3) Germany obtains control over the bulk of the Royal Navy and French fleet, and efficiently marshalls the production of conquered states to make it true a continental superpower. This would take several years, say by 1945-46. If Nazi-Soviet pact is still inplace Germany never attacks the USSR and the USSR never attacks them

(4) US military attention is focused entirely Japan - but not in a way which leads to war with Germany. Perhaps Germany is able to pull the wool over the eyes of a conservative, isolationist US government so the Nazis are not seen as a critical threat to US security. Perhaps Germany even breaks with Japan and offers a non-aggression pact to the gullible US similar to that they have with the USSR.

(5) A lot depends on the status of Canada and/or Mexico in this TL. Is Canada completely independent from occupied Britain, the outpost of some sort of UK govt in exile still technically at war with the Axis, Under the control of a British govt which is a Nazi puppet, or a US protectorate? Is Germany able to obtain diplomatic inroads (and secret military preparations) in Mexico without raising suspicions in the USA. Basically, it would very much help Germany's chances if they could start with significant forces already in North America without having to stake everything on a cross-atlantic invasion.

(6) Somehow the US government is not convinced to develop nuclear bombs

So, in this TL, lets pretend that, in early 1947, the US is fighting a war in the Pacific, with the bulk of its fleet and army engaged against Japan in east Asia. It has been lulled into thinking German Europe is not a threat while at the same time the Germans have been planning for a massive invasion of North America, making initial use of forces predeployed secretly in Canada and or Mexico. US reconnaisance in the atlantic is minimal. The Nazis strike in a massive sneak attack, invading with relatively small elite forces from both Canada and Mexico and pushing into the undefended midsection of the country, drawing US forces against them, while the bulk of the invasion force is headed across the Atlantic, escorted by the bulk of the Royal Navy, Kriegsmarine, Italian, and French navies. (Formerly British) Aircraft carriers strike at US airfields and naval bases along the east coast. Landings are made along several locations on the east coast, and Nazi troop replenishment continues thru Canada and Mexico. The US immediately sues for peace with Japan and ships its forces back to the west coast, but it is too late to prevent disaster. In several months, most major cities along the east coast have been occupied and over a million German troops are advancing south through the Great Plains from Canada and North from Mexico. They join in Kansas, splitting the country in half, while another force pushes slowly against the middle west from the east. The US federation then begins to disintegrate. The Southern States reform a second Confederacy and sues for peace, which the Nazis grant. United States is reformed in the unoccupied Mountain west and Pacific Coast states The Germans recognize the difficulty of invading the Rockies and eventually, agree to an armistice withthe rump USA.

And there you have it...an invasion of the USA by Germany. Likelihood that this could ever happen = less than 1 %.
 
I've got it...

Viking Raiders move south from Greenland into Vinland, and create a Viking State of Vinland.

Now we need this Vinland to become part of Germany and for some kind of USA to form...

This would be, about, 1000 AD?
 

Markus

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I've got it...

Viking Raiders move south from Greenland into Vinland, and create a Viking State of Vinland.

Now we need this Vinland to become part of Germany and for some kind of USA to form...

This would be, about, 1000 AD?

Won´t work! In spite of all the nordic-this and nordic-that talk the oversexed Vikings were not from Germany at all. Your idea would be more like a Scandinavia-wank, although the Vikings have not need for a wank, having stolen all the hot chicks from Scotland!
 
Germany wins WW1, Britiain cozies up with the new superpower on it's doorstep, German Navy puts the HSF (updated and expanded of course) in forward bases in Bermuda and Newfoundland. The rest writes itself.
 
Germany wins WW1, Britiain cozies up with the new superpower on it's doorstep, German Navy puts the HSF (updated and expanded of course) in forward bases in Bermuda and Newfoundland. The rest writes itself.

That'll work - Plus it's Nazi-free
 
Skorzeny (sp?) hijacks an Imperial Star Destroyer from orbit over Hoth, flies it to Germany, loads it up with as many soldiers as he can, then flies it to Omaha or Birmingham (or something) while using the Luftwaffe to fly the tie fighters and wipe out the USAAF.
 
If the Nazis lacked the brains to cross the Channel they'd never cross the Atlantic. At least the Kaiser built the world's 2nd largest navy before he went to war with Britain.
 
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