Germany builds the VK3001(H)

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cortz#9 said:
Yeah I remember one of your little mistakes had me looking for a plane that didn't exist LOL well it did but under another letter & number designation. I understand your reluctance to writing a TL I have them too but I'll probably try it some day and when I do I'll probably steal a lot of your ideas. :D:p
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As long as you don't make big money with them, take all you want;)
 

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cortz#9 said:
Big money? From AH? Sounds a bit ASB if you ask me :rolleyes: but if it happens we'll talk. :cool:
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I don't know. "Fifty shades of navy grey" about an inexperienced Flower class corvette that has to escort an old battle cruiser might land you a publishing deal...
 

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I don't know. "Fifty shades of navy grey" about an inexperienced Flower class corvette that has to escort an old battle cruiser might land you a publishing deal...
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Ok I didn't get the joke I didn't know what fifty shades of grey was but now thanks to you I do and I shall curse you till the end of days. So tell me more about this enexperienced Flower class Corvette and the old Battle Cruiser, do you really think we can make some money off this?
 

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I'd rather introduce the German Merkava to the debate. Professor Porsche 1943 design study for a Porche Tiger II alternative that maximized crew protection.
Designed for defensive action on the russian steps, this formidable tankiller would have been a much better successor to the "Ferdinand"

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And Herr Professor was not alone, in Russia Kotin chalanged his engineers to come up, in April 1941, with concpets for a heavy tank with a 107mm HV gun capable of dominating the battlefield and killing heavy tanks at long range (the man was either prescient or had a large alien bat on his shoulder, pirate style) the team of Tarapatin, Kuzmin and Torotko came up with this 88t design. Intended for a 1200HP diesel engine, and with a secondary 45mm to take care of SdKfz251 and other lightweights, it was an impressive concept for 1941...

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It definitely looks more formidable than the Ferdinand and I imagine it would do well in the defense role but I think it would suffer from the same lack of horsepower as other large & heavy German AFVs. The Germans need a more powerfull engine for their Uberpanzers.
 

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cortz#9 said:
It definitely looks more formidable than the Ferdinand and I imagine it would do well in the defense role but I think it would suffer from the same lack of horsepower as other large & heavy German AFVs. The Germans need a more powerfull engine for their Uberpanzers.
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2xPorshe Type 101/3 for a total 640HP powering electric engines, for a 57t weight. Slow, but expected to handle better than the nose heavy Porsche Tiger (with forward turret).
The real problems were reliability and range.
 

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The russians did came back to the concept, albeit in non turreted form, with the Su101 prototype of 1944. It was found superior to the Su100, but not mass produced...

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The "Rear turret" Porsche Tiger II, in a revised version with a conventional power pack using a diesel engine, would have been my choice for a 1943 Heavy Tank within my "alternative German Production" framework

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So with this concept they finally abandoned those stupid interleaved wheels? Was this the only one that didn't feature them?
 

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The non interleaved wheels alone make me think this would be a better tank than the Tiger II of OTL and if it handled better and had better crew protection, why the hell didn't the Germans build it? And they could of had it in 43?
 

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Shaby said:
So with this concept they finally abandoned those stupid interleaved wheels? Was this the only one that didn't feature them?
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Porsche avoided interleaved wheels in his designs (the Maus had a very complex 24 wheels arrangment but that must have been unavoidable). On the other hand, he was a big fan of gasoline electric powerplants since he worked on the Austrian Road trains before WW1. (we could try and sell the Porsche Tiger to a modern audience claiming it was a Hybrid:cool:)
I would assume that the interleaved suspension was adopted for the half tracks because it gave a good weight distribution that was better for the tracks used on those, along with good ride and a pratical suspension arrangment.
DB droped them on the production variant of their VK30.02, but Krupp, Henschel and Mann liked them soo much they feature even in the projected E series tank designs, so the feedback from the troops must have been mixed.

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Shaby

I'd presume drivers would say it was great. Smooth ride and all. Engineers, though... I'd imagine input from the crews was more valued than those who took care of the vehicles.
 

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Shaby said:
I'd presume drivers would say it was great. Smooth ride and all. Engineers, though... I'd imagine input from the crews was more valued than those who took care of the vehicles.
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And on the tests conducted for oficial evalution the tanks would probably be suported by a factory team.
 

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Thanks. I copied it and put it in the quick reference file.
This is quite a Zombie thread, everytime I think it's dead it bumps back.:cool:
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A good thread doesn't die, it just keeps getting bumped. But if it starts craving brains...:eek:
 
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