Germany becoming less antisemitic and racist WITHOUT the holocaust ever happening

Inspired by people suggesting in another thread that somehow removing the horrors of WWII from History would lead to racism and antisemitism being much less discredited in Europe and beyond in the aftermath.

So the challange is to think of a timeline where alternate Germany, Europe, the US and other countries would be not much more anti-semitic than they are now even without a... """"catharsis""" of remotely that magnitude. Perhaps as a consequence of some analogy to the civil rights movements in OTL America?
 
Inspired by people suggesting in another thread that somehow removing the horrors of WWII from History would lead to racism and antisemitism being much less discredited in Europe and beyond in the aftermath.

So the challange is to think of a timeline where alternate Germany, Europe, the US and other countries would be not much more anti-semitic than they are now even without a... """"catharsis""" of remotely that magintude. Perhaps as a consequence of some analogy to the civil rights movements in OTL America?

When even the likes of Niall Ferguson argue that Germany was becoming much less racist and anti-Semitic prior to the rise of the Nazis I rather think that you just need to thwart the interwar German far right. Then, whether people like it or not, with Germany being a key influencer in European affairs that less in group, out group attitude will likely spread.
 
When even the likes of Niall Ferguson argue that Germany was becoming much less racist and anti-Semitic prior to the rise of the Nazis I rather think that you just need to thwart the interwar German far right. Then, whether people like it or not, with Germany being a key influencer in European affairs that less in group, out group attitude will likely spread.

Backlash against progress and expanding civil rights is common but clearly not bound to be successful (and fatal). Though of course the far right to this day has a vested interest in suggesting otherwise.

I discovered antisemitic polemic, as serious political debate, dating back to the 19th century, making it sound downright surprising that the holocaust didn't come a whole bunch of generations earlier. It's frightening to see how much of what Hitler said was just copy-paste. And yet, to name one thing, Jewish people still fought on the german side in WWI, over 40 years later, sometimes as high ranking officers. It's entirely possible the path to the holocaust passed through the kind of crossroads societies face repeatedly, and back then german society collectively decided to give in and take the wrong turn.
 
Backlash against progress and expanding civil rights is common but clearly not bound to be successful (and fatal). Though of course the far right to this day has a vested interest in suggesting otherwise.

I discovered antisemitic polemic, as serious political debate, dating back to the 19th century, making it sound downright surprising that the holocaust didn't come a whole bunch of generations earlier. It's frightening to see how much of what Hitler said was just copy-paste. And yet, to name one thing, Jewish people still fought on the german side in WWI, over 40 years later, sometimes as high ranking officers. It's entirely possible the path to the holocaust passed through the kind of crossroads societies face repeatedly, and back then german society collectively decided to give in and take the wrong turn.

I would be inclined to agree. A slightly better performance by more main stream parties in the polls, a margin of error's worth of economic uptick for Germany in the Depression or a quirk of fate and I think we see hugely different vistas opening up. Germany might then continue its economic trajectory towards catching and surpassing its pre-1914 levels and of course a Germany without further war damage is a far stronger and more influential Germany that much sooner.
 

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When even the likes of Niall Ferguson argue that Germany was becoming much less racist and anti-Semitic prior to the rise of the Nazis I rather think that you just need to thwart the interwar German far right. Then, whether people like it or not, with Germany being a key influencer in European affairs that less in group, out group attitude will likely spread.
They were going to be there regardless, but the only reason guys like Hitler got a chance to grow was the poorly handling of the Great Depression and the desperation it caused in German society. Everyone else was so discredited by the whole episode that even monarchists and the ex-royal family thought Hitler was the only hope to revive the country. How desperate do you have to be to think someone like Hitler in the early 1930s was a good option? But then only about 1/3rd of the voters supported him at the peak during the last free and fair elections in 1932.
 
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