Germans in Turkey

So as you may or may not know their is a large population of Turkish immigrants in Germany. What scenario is necessary in order to have a reverse scenario with a large German population in Turkey. With a POD after the fall of Nazi Germany.
 
*After* 1945 makes this far harder; if you have a cataclysmic event that destroys postwar Germany, the natural place for them to go would be to neighboring states or to the New World.

It's much more plausible with an 18th-century POD, say the Ottoman Sultan inviting Germans to settle in the Fertile Crescent (like the OTL Volga Germans)
 

Germaniac

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Throw in a surviving Ottoman empire that encourages jewish immigration, you have a large German-Jewish base.
 
*After* 1945 makes this far harder; if you have a cataclysmic event that destroys postwar Germany, the natural place for them to go would be to neighboring states or to the New World.

It's much more plausible with an 18th-century POD, say the Ottoman Sultan inviting Germans to settle in the Fertile Crescent (like the OTL Volga Germans)
The Fertile Crescent is pretty densely populated already though isn't it? Or was there a significant population thinness in the 18th century? I could imagine if Russia lost the Great Northern War and the Ottomans kept their Black Sea possesions they could invite German farmers in do to their western agricultural knowledge see that as a success and invite more to other locations later.
 
The Fertile Crescent is pretty densely populated already though isn't it? Or was there a significant population thinness in the 18th century? I could imagine if Russia lost the Great Northern War and the Ottomans kept their Black Sea possesions they could invite German farmers in do to their western agricultural knowledge see that as a success and invite more to other locations later.

I would'nt really say that 10 million people in Iraq AND Levant is densely populated...

Other than the reason that Germans won't necessarily like the region. I think the Black Sea and the Marmara region or the big cities as a magnet... if there were to come any at all...
 
So as you may or may not know their is a large population of Turkish immigrants in Germany. What scenario is necessary in order to have a reverse scenario with a large German population in Turkey. With a POD after the fall of Nazi Germany.

PoD after 1945? Maybe elderly people who come to retire. And that won't be more than 100k.

There were some numbers in the 10k Germans migrating to the Marmara region when the German-Turkish friendship was developing in the late 19th century. If WWI is averted or the Central Powers win the numbers might be higher over time. There was economic potential to gain there...
 
The Fertile Crescent is pretty densely populated already though isn't it? Or was there a significant population thinness in the 18th century? I could imagine if Russia lost the Great Northern War and the Ottomans kept their Black Sea possesions they could invite German farmers in do to their western agricultural knowledge see that as a success and invite more to other locations later.

Iraq was a border March between the Ottomans and the Persians.

But that wouldn't be picked and wouldn't come. The Ottomans are fighting Germans, are Muslim and have other more loyal people to settle there instead. While the Germans have America, Russia or other parts of Europe.
 
The Fertile Crescent is pretty densely populated already though isn't it? Or was there a significant population thinness in the 18th century? I could imagine if Russia lost the Great Northern War and the Ottomans kept their Black Sea possesions they could invite German farmers in do to their western agricultural knowledge see that as a success and invite more to other locations later.

Another issue I see here is the timing. In the 18th century the Ottoman-Habsburg rivalry is too heated for the Sultan to accept any Germans. Maybe if Frederick the Great makes even better relations that makes the Sultan accept German settlers. And probably far away from Russian or Austrian borders. You may think of Greece or Anatolia.
 
Another issue I see here is the timing. In the 18th century the Ottoman-Habsburg rivalry is too heated for the Sultan to accept any Germans. Maybe if Frederick the Great makes even better relations that makes the Sultan accept German settlers. And probably far away from Russian or Austrian borders. You may think of Greece or Anatolia.
Yeah but if those stay in Ottomania/Turkey they count
 
First, figure out a way to have European federalizations occur relatively soon after the Second World War. Perhaps a trigger-happy POTUS starts the Third World War over China’s intervention in Korea, which devolves into a nuclear conflict that leaves the United States and Western Europe unscathed but absolutely smashes the PRC and USSR. After the dust settles, the Europeans decide to keep an arm’s distance from the Americans and form their own distinct bloc, which quickly develops into a proto-EU. Somewhere along the way, Turkey gets integrated.

...and then Yellowstone, or some other supervolcano with similar power, erupts. The main global effect is to trigger an ice age, which causes many Northern Europeans (including Germans) to flee to the Mediterranean (including Turkey), which is legally doable given the free movement allowed by European federalization.

Several decades on, and Turkey has a very large European diaspora community, of which Germans represent a solid plurality (the French who decided to migrate from mainland Europe preferred Algeria or some other part of the Maghreb, whereas fleeing Britons preferred a colony or dominion within their empire, such as Australia, Kenya, New Zealand, Rhodesia, or South Africa).
 
Iraq was a border March between the Ottomans and the Persians.

But that wouldn't be picked and wouldn't come. The Ottomans are fighting Germans, are Muslim and have other more loyal people to settle there instead. While the Germans have America, Russia or other parts of Europe.

If the oil industry booms then there is a chance to get Germans. Probably from the 1920s. The numbers would be quite few but not out of option. Earlier migration is unlikely.
 

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Have Germans flee from East Germany to Turkey before the wall goes up. Some form of PoD means the Turkish Government offers incentives to Germans willing to leave?
 

BigBlueBox

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Have Germans flee from East Germany to Turkey before the wall goes up. Some form of PoD means the Turkish Government offers incentives to Germans willing to leave?
You realize that there is a country right next door to East Germany that speaks the same language, is wealthier, and has a far larger amount of jobs available right?
 
Maybe if the Ottoman Empire and German Empire survived and won the First World War there could be potential German investments in the Ottoman Empire (mostly Arabia oil money but also Turkey).
 
Maybe a 1848 POD; the German revolutions that year are much more violent and are put down by the neighbors (Russia, France, Austria) which establish a harsh regime which forces many to flee. And the Ottoman empire takes them in, hoping to destabilize their enemies in the future.

It is not widely known nowadays, but this happened essentialy OTL with Poles and Hungarians. There was even a Polish neighbourhood in Istanbul: Polinezkoy.
 

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You realize that there is a country right next door to East Germany that speaks the same language, is wealthier, and has a far larger amount of jobs available right?

No? What is this amazing paradise for Germans to which you refer?

Obviously I’m aware of West Germany, hence why I wrote it would require some form of PoD. Emigres don’t just move to the neighbouring country, you know.

That and I never said how likely it would be.
 
So as you may or may not know their is a large population of Turkish immigrants in Germany. What scenario is necessary in order to have a reverse scenario with a large German population in Turkey. With a POD after the fall of Nazi Germany.

There might be a significant number of East German security personnel in a Turkish People's Republic... (How you get that without a World War III I don't know.)
 
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