Mrstrategy
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When could the german ask for peace in ww2 and get a peace the Germans and supporting countries and allies both agree on
That would be an interesting timelineIf the 20th of July happened before D-Day such a peace MIGHT be possible, IF
1.) Hitler/NSDAP is no longer at power
2.) The Allies don't follow the unconditional-surrender-doctrine.
The latter is only the case if
a) Stalin makes a separate peace (possible until Bagration)
b) and/or the Germans can inflict great damage to the Allies.
When could the german ask for peace in ww2 and get a peace the Germans and supporting countries and allies both agree on
If the 20th of July happened before D-Day such a peace MIGHT be possible, IF
1.) Hitler/NSDAP is no longer at power
2.) The Allies don't follow the unconditional-surrender-doctrine.
The latter is only the case if
a) Stalin makes a separate peace (possible until Bagration)
b) and/or the Germans can inflict great damage to the Allies.
If Ludwig Beck had become head of the provisional government, they surely would have had negotiate on terms for an armistice, as the allies would have wanted to follow the unconditional surrender doctrine if Hitler had been dead then.
The allies just wanted peace.
Besides, Hitler offered the allies peace, after germany invaded Poland. But they rejected.
No, Roosevelt wanted to destroy Germany. He was behind unconditional surrender.
But not if an anti-nazi coup took place.
Ludwig Beck was 100% liberal. I bet the allies would have accepted such peace offer.
Noone wanted to spill blood anymore.
And also, in the Casablanca Conference a coup in germany wasn't contemplable.
No, Roosevelt wanted to destroy Germany. He was behind unconditional surrender.
But not if an anti-nazi coup took place.
Ludwig Beck was 100% liberal. I bet the allies would have accepted such peace offer.
Noone wanted to spill blood anymore.
And also, in the Casablanca Conference a coup in germany wasn't contemplable.
Roosevelt made it pretty clear that he had a personal hatred towards all things German.
He would have pushed for unconditional surrender no matter what. That's why you need to get a peace before the US joins. Roosevelt is too much off an asshole to consider anything but a dead Germany tolerable.
July 1940. Had they publicly given terms that Churchill could not refuse then it was potentially possible (no military restrictions, loss of territory, or reparations, but recognition of German treaties with the continentals and expelling governments in exile). Not really sure if it were after that (both sides being able to agree). Arguably (with a lot of argument last time I brought it up) there was a potential for a deal in 1943-44 if the Allies had not made the public announcement of unconditional surrender and had privately encouraged the assassination of Hitler and removal of the Nazis for better terms.When could the german ask for peace in ww2 and get a peace the Germans and supporting countries and allies both agree on