German phillipines?

Kingpoleon

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What if the following scenario happened:

The Germans ought not to have intervened at Manila Bay. Nevertheless, they did because of one thing: Leopold had been crowned King. They managed to attack and encircle the American squadron when three more Spanish ships arrived and reinforced the Germans. Immediately afterwards, Germany declared war on America, and the invasion had begun. A joint German-Spanish seizure of the Panama Canal was followed up with an invasion of Cuba by the Spanish heir and great general, William. The Philippines would be overrun by German and Spanish joint forces numbering 95,000 by the end of the war. Ferdinand, Crown Prince William's younger brother and King of Romania, would proceed to also send a war leader, Colonel Artur Văitoianu, with 3,000 men that would eventually help in the capture of Puerto Rico. After the war, the Philippines were "bought" by Germany for the price of £850,000, and the Panama Canal Rights were given to Germany by France, Colombia, and America in exchange for £60,000, £120,000, and £20,000 respectively. Florida was also "leased" to Spain for 120 years in a renewable treaty.
 
Kingpoleon, sorry, but:

Because life's always PERFECT for Germany, as it was in both world wars.

How does any German battleship get far from Germany without coaling at a neutral port? They had limited range. And that mighty army must've enjoyed its swim there. Remember to think about how things get there in future and limits getting places. How many transports were there and could they get there without refueling, and how many will each hold?

We know only GERMAN reinforcements and scouts and spies exist, even closer to home.

The entire US is obviously is uninhabited so a handul of German Marines can seize it and the Canal.

It's before we did the Panama Canal.

Remember, there IS a rest of rest of the world in future, and even big enough that Germany managed to lose TWO world wars. And even with real plans that work.
 

Kingpoleon

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Which TL is this from? The King of the Belgians as Kaiser and a pre-1900 Panama Canal sounds interesting.

Eh, no. Leopold, the Prince of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen, was offered the crown of Spain OTL. In that instance, he accepted. The Americans were making offers on the Panama Canal as early as 1894 OTL, and probably would need to support whoever took up the Canal building process the French had started.

Germany had four ships there in our timeline, and with more reason to back Spain, it could have more. I never said Germany occupied the U. S. In that war, it merely blockaded it and landed the Sneak Attack of Fire. It would go on to say 85,000 German and 65,000 Spanish landed in D. C., burned Capitol Hill and the White House, and forced the surrender by the President and Senate prisoners. Eventually, the Secretary of State and Army would be released to negotiate with the non-establishment "militias", but instead he raised an army and attacked, but was eventually defeated. If you want it all, let me know and I'll show it to you.
 
Etto Spain did keep florida? that is other set butterflies alone(but not that massive, more soutern state would be made anyway) but seems the Main one is that Leopoldo Becoming King of Spain in 1870(More Sucessful La Gloriosa Revolution) and now Spain Become a permant ally of Spain. That buterfly alone would have make the gringos not to meddle with the spanish because they have allies, unless they're so jingo think they can be the europeans alone.

Is Pausable but seems ironically spanish was the 'defeated one' (or that at least they were able to keep cuba and florida even after so much issues with the gringos) and what happpend to Florida, Cuba and Puerto Rico?
 
The interesting question then becomes what happens to the PI during/after WWI. Will they be invaded? It's highly likely that this would fall to Japan, the UK is busy in Europe, Africa, and Asia Minor and Australia and New Zealand which dealt with the close in German possessions OTL simply don't have the manpower to do this.
Britain could use a force from India, mainly consisting of Indian troops, even though that meant delaying action in Tanganyika and/or Mesopotamia...
 

Kingpoleon

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Etto Spain did keep florida? that is other set butterflies alone(but not that massive, more soutern state would be made anyway) but seems the Main one is that Leopoldo Becoming King of Spain in 1870(More Sucessful La Gloriosa Revolution) and now Spain Become a permant ally of Spain. That buterfly alone would have make the gringos not to meddle with the spanish because they have allies, unless they're so jingo think they can be the europeans alone.

Is Pausable but seems ironically spanish was the 'defeated one' (or that at least they were able to keep cuba and florida even after so much issues with the gringos) and what happpend to Florida, Cuba and Puerto Rico?

Spain leased Florida from the Americans. America? Thinking they could lose to two great powers "across the sea"? Spain had a close relationship with France and Portugal in our timeline, it merely never called them in time.
 

LordKalvert

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How does any German battleship get far from Germany without coaling at a neutral port? They had limited range. And that mighty army must've enjoyed its swim there. Remember to think about how things get there in future and limits getting places. How many transports were there and could they get there without refueling, and how many will each hold?



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Warships had the right to coal in neutral ports. One time every three or six months (memory escapes mes as to which)and only enough coal to get to the nearest port of the belligerent nation. For Germany, the last clause means basically full bunkers

Its not like America had a worldwide network of coaling facilities for the Spanish War
 
Kingpoleon,
And we're SO unscared of Europe we ONLY tossed Spain out of Florida while stalemating the superpower of the day in the War of 1812. And STILL did alot to beat Germany twice, in both world wars without fright.

Are you willing to accept that it needs massive work?

LordKalvert, no, the thread's right. Wiki sez the Russian Tsushima-bound warships had to dangerously overload; and Kiel-Philippines is MUCH farther. So, no. and nopeland. The US had a network of friendly bases set up by the Perry Japan fleet to get there, and Japan, and maybe something extra for the US China fleet to get there faster than Japan.
 
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