German peace offer after Battle of France

The only slight hope to end WW2 after the fall of France would be Hitler suffering a stroke or heart attack and dying from it in June 1940 and some saner heads coming to power in Germany and making the following offer:

Retreat from France, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Denmark and Norway. All those countries keep their colonies. Alsace-Lorraine falls under german administration for 15 years, thereafter a plebiscite is to be held there to determine whether the population wants to stay german or become french once again. In might be a smart idea to hold 2 seperate plebiscites for Alsace and Lorraine respectively, where Alsace would most likely prefer staying german and Lorraine to be returned to France.

And even that might not be enough, as there still would be demands that Germany retreats from Poland as well. But there, Germany could play the card that they are willing to do so if only the USSR would do it as well, knowing, that Stalin will never accept.
 
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There is a strange disconnect between the two concepts of "the plucky little island standing alone against the masters of Europe" and "the largest empire the world has ever see upon which the sun never sets".

I suppose one of those plays better in movie-script-world.


Well, the reality is that they are both correct. The Empire was huge, but it was also dispersed. After the fall of France the closest active ally the British had was Canada, 3,000 miles away and on the other side of the Atlantic. That's a bit lonely, especially when the enemy is doing their best to sink everything headed to your home island.
 
Well most of that population was piss-poor farmers with the only real industrial base outside of Britain being Canada, which had a grand total population of less than 12 million, and maybe Australia (population just over 7 million), although that was mostly limited to armoured cars with a few aircraft (mostly trainers) and tanks on the side.

Canada produced nearly twice as many non tank military vehicles as Germany, Italy, and Japan combined, more tanks than Japan and Italy combined, more aircraft than Italy, and twice as much artillery than italy and Japan combined. On economic terms alone, Canada was worth more to Britain than Italy was worth to Germany, by far.

Just sayin.
 
The Soviet 76mm gun was later copied by the Germans as the 7.62 paK 36.
It was not copied I belive but Reworked and bit redisagned from captured Soviet F-22. Around 550 were upgraded as Paks. Another 900 barrels were upgraded and later used in Marders II and III.
 
Canada produced nearly twice as many non tank military vehicles as Germany, Italy, and Japan combined, more tanks than Japan and Italy combined, more aircraft than Italy, and twice as much artillery than italy and Japan combined. On economic terms alone, Canada was worth more to Britain than Italy was worth to Germany, by far.
Maybe I should have made it clearer that I was pointing out the limits of Australia's industry.
 
The only slight hope to end WW2 after the fall of France would be Hitler suffering a stroke or heart attack and dying from it in June 1940 and some saner heads coming to power in Germany and making the following offer:

Retreat from France, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Denmark and Norway. All those countries keep their colonies. Alsace-Lorraine falls under german administration for 15 years, thereafter a plebiscite is to be held there to determine whether the population wants to stay german or become french once again. In might be a smart idea to hold 2 seperate plebiscites for Alsace and Lorraine respectively, where Alsace would most likely prefer staying german and Lorraine to be returned to France.

And even that might not be enough, as there still would be demands that Germany retreats from Poland as well. But there, Germany could play the card that they are willing to do so if only the USSR would do it as well, knowing, that Stalin will never accept.

In 1940 june 22th armistice between France and Germany, France is supposed to keep Alsace-Moselle. Hitler just grab it anyway, proving once more you can't trust him. By the way I don't think a plebiscite in Alsace will work to well to Germany eiter, the Alsacian drafted into the Wermacht didn't called themself "Malgré-nous" (despite us) for nothing.
 
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Okay this is my first post
I just wanted some opinions on this idea


The year is July 17, 1940

After the Battle of France Germany offers peace terms to the Allies in exchange for former German colonies and them officially recognizing Germany's control over Poland

In exchange they will pull all forces out of Luxembourg Netherlands Belgium and France and cease all hostilities with the nations.

So how you think it would play out

And if you can Think of a counteroffer to their proposal please post it

I think this was offered by the Germans at the time.
The British were not interested.
 
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