German monarchy after ww2

Well depending on how the economy plays out, I could see the Nazis following the same path as the fascists in Italy. WWII is about the same as in the OTL and the German Emperor is overthrown shortly thereafter.
 

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What if germany remained a monarchy after ww1

WW1 or 2? The title is different to the OP.

Assuming WW1, you need to have Germany achieve a better peace settlement in which they don't feel betrayed or humiliated. There is a high chance that Wilhelm will still have to abdicate, but the political Right is strong enough to save the monarchy in some form if they feel the need for it.
 
Given WW1 will last a couple of years the strains will lead to some sort of Constitutional change within Germany, possibly not as drastic as the October 1918 changes, but most likely part of the way there.

  • Declarations of war and peace treaties now required the assent of the Reichstag
  • Members of the government could now simultaneously be members of the Reichstag
  • The Reichskanzler and the Secretaries of State now required the confidence of the Reichstag. They were accountable for the conduct of their affairs to the Reichstag and to the Bundesrat
  • The Reichskanzler was now responsible for all political actions of the Emperor
  • The Emperor's rights to appoint, promote or reassign military officers were now limited by requiring the co-signature of the Reichskanzler or the Minister of War responsible for the contingent. The Ministers of War were now accountable to the Bundesrat and Reichstag for the management of their contingent
 
Actually there was no reason that the Monarchy couldn't have been restored. There might have been some problems if Kaiser Wilhelm II or his son got the post but if one of the Grandsons got the title there probably wouldn't have been the problem. Without a doubt whoever was Kaiser would not have had the same powers that Kaiser Wilhelm II had in 1914. But at the same time whoever was Kaiser would have probably blocked Hitler from coming to power. There is always the possibility that the Royal House of Bavaria could have replaced the Royal House of Prussia. Crown Prince Ruphardt was quite popular with the soldiers in the Army and was a no nosense leader. He did not like the extreme Right or the Left.
 

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If the allies removed Wilhelm II as a condition of peace and allowed Wilhelm III to ascend, there's every chance a constitutional monarchy would have resulted, as i doubt the playboy prince would be too keen to do all the politicking his father got involved with! Far more interested in chasing ladies, the horses and fast cars. Far better suited as a constitutional check-and-balance and titular head of the military and appearing as a figurehead for the Reich.
There's plenty of accounts that a constitutional monarchy was being planned for Germany towards the end of WWI, but I've never been sure whether that was just white-washing in the aftermath of defeat.
 
Actually there was no reason that the Monarchy couldn't have been restored. There might have been some problems if Kaiser Wilhelm II or his son got the post but if one of the Grandsons got the title there probably wouldn't have been the problem. Without a doubt whoever was Kaiser would not have had the same powers that Kaiser Wilhelm II had in 1914. But at the same time whoever was Kaiser would have probably blocked Hitler from coming to power. There is always the possibility that the Royal House of Bavaria could have replaced the Royal House of Prussia. Crown Prince Ruphardt was quite popular with the soldiers in the Army and was a no nosense leader. He did not like the extreme Right or the Left.

I see some problems with a Bavarian catholic.
Prussia is far to large, and it is really difficult to split it up. And the next king of Prussia would be nearly as powerful as the new Bavarian emperor.
And the king of Prussia would control Berlin. Therefore the Bavarian Emperor wouldn't even control the capital. If the new king of Prussia is someone from the Hohenzollern dynasty, he perhaps want to reestablish his house on the imperial throne. Therefore the weak Emperor and the Prussian king could blockade each other.
At the same time, at least some constitutional changes for a constitutional monarchy are nearly inevitable.
If the conflict between Emperor and the King of Prussia escalates, a strong SPD could try with the other left wing or republican parties to abolish the Monarchy, other far more radical left wing parties could try to start a civil war. And in this situation, perhaps some talks between military leaders and the leading parties could decide the future of the Empire.
To prevent this civil war, it is either necessary to either split up Prussia (unlikely), reinstall the House of Hohenzollern as emperors, or abolish the monarchy (unlikely for the conservative politicians).

It is difficult to say, that an Emperor could have blocked TTL-Hitler or some other form of fascism.
An Emperor could try to regain power by cooperation with different right wing circles and militias. Something like in Italy could happen. If a fascist party would win the elections like OTL the NSDAP, the Emperor could become TTLs Hindenburg. Either he tries to weaken the constitution and appoint his own government, against the parliament, or he allowed some fascist government. (Like in Italy)
If TTL-Emperor tries to stop some form of Fascism (if this Fascism is as popular as Fascism was in the end of Weimar Germany), he needs the support of different groups, he needs a large alliance of the democratic parties, (OTLs SPD, DDP, Zentrum, and DVP) and the full support of the military.
There is a reduced chance of Fascism in Germany, because to maintain the Monarchy after WW1 in Germany, a weaker treaty of Versailles is almost necessary.
Also Butterflies would reduce the probability of events like OTL.
Therefore a weak monarchy isn't the best protection against Fascism.
 
I believe that Crown Prince Ruphardt still remains a strong possibility. He always enjoyed strong support within the German Military. He would not be afraid of Hitler and the Oath of Loyalty would be to the Kaiser and the German state not Hitler. The Former Kaiser Wilhelm II despised Hitler and he was quite angry with his son when he became close to the Nazi trash. It is very possible that the Bavarian could count on the support of a lot of the traditional conservative parties and even the SDP would probably rally to him to stop Hitler.
After all he had crushed the Communist attempt to take over Bavaria.
 
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