German culture, science and behaviour in a world without the Third Reich

Valdemar II

Banned
If there is an ATL economic boon big enough to cause a labour shortage, Germany might very well still hire foreign guest workers. But in TTL it wont have any qualms about actually making them go back once their contracts are over or requiring, that a guest worker learn about German language and customs before being issued a work visa. I´m not talking about OTL Present Day Saudi style borderline slaves, but something akin to OTL Present Day South Korea.

Unlikely the migrant community would likely be treated more as they're in other European countries today, but both the Arabic and Turkish community is likely a lot smaller, and we would likely see East Europeans* as Gastarbeiters instead.

*Especially Poles, Balts, Romanians and Jews.
 
If there is an ATL economic boon big enough to cause a labour shortage, Germany might very well still hire foreign guest workers. But in TTL it wont have any qualms about actually making them go back once their contracts are over or requiring, that a guest worker learn about German language and customs before being issued a work visa. I´m not talking about OTL Present Day Saudi style borderline slaves, but something akin to OTL Present Day South Korea.

What is their policy? I'm not too good with SE Asian politics and sociology.
 
If there is an ATL economic boon big enough to cause a labour shortage, Germany might very well still hire foreign guest workers. But in TTL it wont have any qualms about actually making them go back once their contracts are over or requiring, that a guest worker learn about German language and customs before being issued a work visa. I´m not talking about OTL Present Day Saudi style borderline slaves, but something akin to OTL Present Day South Korea.

Why use them at all? With no WW2, there are plenty of Germans seeking greener pastures, from lands as far afield as the Baltic and Romania.
 

Neroon

Banned
Unlikely the migrant community would likely be treated more as they're in other European countries today
I don't think so, i think OTL present day other European countries would also be much more politically willing and able to send guest workers back and require language skill from them if there had never been any Nazis.

What is their policy? I'm not too good with SE Asian politics and sociology.
As i described: Time-limited guest worker visas only. Which have to be renewed at least every 3 years. Anyone applying has to pass a test about Korean language and culture before getting one. Once your guest worker term expires and is not renewed you have to leave. No family reunion visas for spouses of guest workers either, as they are supposed to stay only temporarily.
 

oberdada

Gone Fishin'
If there is an ATL economic boon big enough to cause a labour shortage, Germany might very well still hire foreign guest workers. But in TTL it wont have any qualms about actually making them go back once their contracts are over or requiring, that a guest worker learn about German language and customs before being issued a work visa. I´m not talking about OTL Present Day Saudi style borderline slaves, but something akin to OTL Present Day South Korea.

Without WWII there would be a much larger (male) working force in Germany itself. And if foreign workers are allowed or even encuriged to come to Germany, they would come from the East (Poland or the Baltic States).
I could imagine a deal between Germany and the Soviet Union to let the Germans from the Wolga move back to the land of their forefathers.
This would of course include a lot of Soviet Spies.
 

Susano

Banned
I could imagine a deal between Germany and the Soviet Union to let the Germans from the Wolga move back to the land of their forefathers.
This would of course include a lot of Soviet Spies.

Why would either side want that? Nowadays, both Russia and Germany try to encourage teh Russia Germans to stay in Russia, for much the same reasons as they would back then: Germany is overpopulated, while Russia is underpopulated. That, and all the expenses of acclimating the Volga Germans in Germany... nah. Rather, Germany will be a champion for minoirty rights everywhere and espeically in East Europe, simply because Germans seem to be a minority in every east and eastern central european country...
 

oberdada

Gone Fishin'
Why would either side want that? Nowadays, both Russia and Germany try to encourage teh Russia Germans to stay in Russia, for much the same reasons as they would back then: Germany is overpopulated, while Russia is underpopulated. That, and all the expenses of acclimating the Volga Germans in Germany... nah. Rather, Germany will be a champion for minoirty rights everywhere and espeically in East Europe, simply because Germans seem to be a minority in every east and eastern central european country...

Well if Germany needs a larger workforce it should be interested in those people. It all depends of course on how important good relations with Germany are for the Soviet Union.

The Soviet Union in OTL allowed Jews to immigrate to Israel.
 
I would even say that Germany could become what English is today. If you look at scientific publications before the first world war which were in German.. a re-emerging of that trend could very well topple the English dominance all over.

But more likely would be something of a duality.

Given prewar German dominance in chemistry, I tend to think English would be significantly less important.
 
How popular were German films outside of Germany at this ponit? In terms of sales, I mean.
AFAIK, German films between 1910-30 OTL were as popular as period Hollywood's OTL (it hadn't yet achieved the dominance it would post-WW2 OTL), & companies like UFA (1 of the 2 or 3 German biggies) were among the most innovative in the world.

Also, tho I'm not sure of the timing, there were a lot of Jews involved in Hollywood's early years. TTL, does that happen, or do they stay in Germany? Does that effect the success of the German film industry?

If there is an ATL economic boon big enough to cause a labour shortage, Germany might very well still hire foreign guest workers. But in TTL it wont have any qualms about actually making them go back once their contracts are over or requiring, that a guest worker learn about German language and customs before being issued a work visa. I´m not talking about OTL Present Day Saudi style borderline slaves, but something akin to OTL Present Day South Korea.
You might conceivably see Cz, Pol, even SU "branch plants", akin to these.
 
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Okay, I have a thought. Music.

Swing from England was big in the 30s, but Weimar had a pretty big jazz group...

Hm.
 

Susano

Banned
Okay, I have a thought. Music.

Swing from England was big in the 30s, but Weimar had a pretty big jazz group...

Hm.

Both outside influences. And Germany has later again adopted outside influences. I dont think theres much chance of making Germany the centre of a music movement...
 
Self-determination of nations.

I agree with what others have said about this hypothetical Germany wielding influence externally. Indeed, this timeline's Germany, which would presumably homogenize between the 1930's and 1950's, could possibly champion decolonization, and build strong partnerships in Africa.
 
Indeed, this timeline's Germany, which would presumably homogenize between the 1930's and 1950's, could possibly champion decolonization, and build strong partnerships in Africa.

I doubt it, given Germany's desire for colonies. Still, it's an interesting approach. "We don't have any, neither should you."...:cool:
 
I doubt it, given Germany's desire for colonies. Still, it's an interesting approach. "We don't have any, neither should you."...:cool:

Many African leaders were influenced by the Soviet Union after decolonization in our timeline. In this timeline, Germany might be that influence instead. A defeated Germany in World War I is likely not to reacquire colonies short of another world war.
 
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